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[Count Viceroy]

Edje Edgar wrote...

I cant for the life of my figure out why Bioware's interest would be opposed to their fanbase however.

Exactly, it's financially detremental, which for them as a company out to make money, is everything.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 14 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[luzburg]

well all this talk from bioware to use fan feed back. and the ending hate is one huge one.
it is they creation we only want to help them reddem it so it dosent dig its own grave

[HenchxNarf]

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

[Chaota Vos]

Dreogan wrote...

Is it just me, or is all of this feeling a lot like "other people know what you like better than you do"?

Pretty much.  It would be like going to a resturant and having a wonderful entree, main and wine made exactly to order, then for desert asking for *insert favourite desert* and instead being served a bowl of mashed peas.  And when you complain to the manager, the food critic at the next table laughs mockingly and says "tough, it's the chef's decision, and you have no right to complain"

[DavidMRecord]

Kami102 wrote...

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

love, love, love, love this article

Yes, very well articulated article.

[Sireniankyle1]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So, your point is that because all gaming sites are biased and have a serious conflict of interests when reporting such issues, we should just assume that they're not?

They're not biased. They're just tired of the BS and the fact that the lot of you are making real gamers and real fans look bad. You're giving the gaming community as a whole a bad name.

You're making it so that if anyone posts something positive, you troll them right off the boards. No wonder people are afraid to say anything.

So you'd have us sit there and take it? If you don't already live in America, they'd love to have another conformist. I can say that because I AM an American.

Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. It wasn't YOURS to begin with.

I'm an American, too. What does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not a sheep? I actually speak out against people who have been bullying those gamers who have actually liked the game?

Siding with the big company is exactly what makes you a sheep. And Americans conform with mass media quite frequently. No to go off track. Either way someone earlier made an excellent point of that defending this crap is equal to bootlicking.

"Defending this crap"? And who's the worse person here? A lot of people actually liked the game. Defending it does not make us sheep, it makes us gamers who enjoy the story and the franchise. That's what this forum is for, fans of the games. If you don't like them, fine. But don't make it so that people who actually have something nice to say can't do it for fear of being trolled right out of their own threads.

You keep saying they're afraid. if they're afraid of objective conversation, then I don't want them here. We may be harsh, but it is always backed up with common sense, and the justification to do so. BTW there are polls going around on this site that disagree with your statement that the majority likes it.

Modifié par Sireniankyle1, 14 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Jake71887]

HenchxNarf wrote...
And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves. 

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they just expand upon the ending, or give more choices? Hell, even if they just made new endings paid-DLC, you could still just abstain from buying it. One of the best franchises Bioware has, and killing it in this way really leaves me no desire to get into any of their others. 

[Sireniankyle1]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

Who said anything about forcing the change on others? We fight for the right to choose. Not re-create a pile of crap.

[katamuro]

you can say that in a game with very little player choice. Where the ending is not fluid and where no one gave you the choice of impacting the world. But in ME, like in the first Dragon Age the player is central to the change in the world. If the developers discard this notion which was woven through the game then what is left?
http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/5/
read this article if you think we are completely wrong in demanding a more satisfying end to our saga. After all we didnt just control shepard, We became shepard.

[HenchxNarf]

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So, your point is that because all gaming sites are biased and have a serious conflict of interests when reporting such issues, we should just assume that they're not?

They're not biased. They're just tired of the BS and the fact that the lot of you are making real gamers and real fans look bad. You're giving the gaming community as a whole a bad name.

You're making it so that if anyone posts something positive, you troll them right off the boards. No wonder people are afraid to say anything.

So you'd have us sit there and take it? If you don't already live in America, they'd love to have another conformist. I can say that because I AM an American.

Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. It wasn't YOURS to begin with.

I'm an American, too. What does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not a sheep? I actually speak out against people who have been bullying those gamers who have actually liked the game?

Siding with the big company is exactly what makes you a sheep. And Americans conform with mass media quite frequently. No to go off track. Either way someone earlier made an excellent point of that defending this crap is equal to bootlicking.

"Defending this crap"? And who's the worse person here? A lot of people actually liked the game. Defending it does not make us sheep, it makes us gamers who enjoy the story and the franchise. That's what this forum is for, fans of the games. If you don't like them, fine. But don't make it so that people who actually have something nice to say can't do it for fear of being trolled right out of their own threads.

You keep saying their afraid. if they're afraid of objective conversation, then I don't want them here. We may be harsh, but it is always backed up with common sense, and the justification to do so. BTW there are polls going around on this site that disagree with your statement that the majority likes it.

Objective conversation? Seriously? You bash them for even saying one positive thing. Maybe we don't want you here. This forum is for everyone. Not just you and your loud obnoxous voice. You have no right to put someone down for enjoying a game. None at all.

The majority of people don't come to sites like this. BSN is a fraction of the fandom, just so you know.

[Killer3000ad]

Gamespot, the site that once terminated an employee for giving an average score to Kane & Lynch because Eidos took out a massive ad page on Gamespot. Real shinning example of journalistic integrity.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 14 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[HenchxNarf]

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves. 

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they just expand upon the ending, or give more choices? Hell, even if they just made new endings paid-DLC, you could still just abstain from buying it. One of the best franchises Bioware has, and killing it in this way really leaves me no desire to get into any of their others. 

You know it as well as I do, if they DO make DLC and charge for it... People are going to ****. They're not going to do it for free, which is what many want them to do.

[Hexxys]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

Why does it bother you so much that people are trying to get the endings changed?  You realize that Bioware doesn't actually have to listen to our "demands", right?  You're just trying to draw lines on where our rights as fans begin and end.  The fact is we're not doing anything malicious or illegal, so yes, we have the right to do what we're doing.

[HenchxNarf]

Hexxys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

Why does it bother you so much that people are trying to get the endings changed?  You realize that Bioware doesn't actually have to listen to our "demands", right?  You're just trying to draw lines on where our rights as fans begin and end.  The fact is we're not doing anything malicious or illegal, so yes, we have the right to do what we're doing.

No, but what you are doing is making it hard for people to actually post saying they enjoy the game.

[Jake71887]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves. 

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they just expand upon the ending, or give more choices? Hell, even if they just made new endings paid-DLC, you could still just abstain from buying it. One of the best franchises Bioware has, and killing it in this way really leaves me no desire to get into any of their others. 

You know it as well as I do, if they DO make DLC and charge for it... People are going to ****. They're not going to do it for free, which is what many want them to do.

People will ****, and still buy it... The only real problem is listening to the complaints, but you can blissfully ignore those if you want, so I'm not really sure what the problem is.

[Fault Girl]

The point is, the whole point of Mass Effect was choice, was that given to us at the end? Did it give us multiple/varied endings. Did we see the effects of all our choices through the trilogy after we defeated the Reapers?

NO. It was not.

If it wasnt advertised as a choice making RPG, far enough but it was. DA:O had it right end-wise, there were tweets about ME3 stating how varied the endings were, how we get our dues/happy ending but there were none.

Mass Effect is not just about the journey but the affects of that journey, it felt like Bioware only hit the tip of the iceberg with the three colours. There was so much they could do. That it why we are complaning.

I call bullpoo on the artistic license stuff, I'm a designer/artist. If I ask someone what they wanted or promised something I couldnt/didnt deliver should they not have a right to complain? If they brought something of mine, fully knowing what it was, no they cannot complain. But Mass Effect was all about OUR choices and the affects. I only saw the minor affects prior to the end, nothing else after. It was lackluster at best. The fact is the more I think about the endings, the more confusing/idiotic they become.

They could have given us these endings but maybe one more in that would make us happy or feel closure, you know meet us in the middle? You can have artistic vision but also creating something to please the consumers. Thats how it games design should work. If you want complete control write a book or paint a picture and hope someone will like it.

Modifié par Vault N7, 14 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[HenchxNarf]

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves. 

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they just expand upon the ending, or give more choices? Hell, even if they just made new endings paid-DLC, you could still just abstain from buying it. One of the best franchises Bioware has, and killing it in this way really leaves me no desire to get into any of their others. 

You know it as well as I do, if they DO make DLC and charge for it... People are going to ****. They're not going to do it for free, which is what many want them to do.

People will ****, and still buy it... The only real problem is listening to the complaints, but you can blissfully ignore those if you want, so I'm not really sure what the problem is.

It's hard to ignore something when you try and either respond to someone's good reaction to the game or make a game-positive post and you get buried by "OMGZ YOU'RE SAREN! YOU SHOULD DO WHAT HE DID AND KILL YOURSELF!" Yeah, I had someone wish I would kill myself. Real mature audience there, right?

It's hard to ignore a bullhorn when it's right in your ear, you know?

[Almostfaceman]

HenchxNarf wrote...

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

People are asking for the variety of endings they were promised. That's not going to change and it's not going to go away. Bioware does not have to do anything and they can ignore the request. But there's nothing unusual about a consumer asking a company for something. If you like the game, you are not going to lose anything, because there's no way in the world they're going to lose the negative endings that some like so much. 

[Sireniankyle1]

[/quote]

"Objective conversation? Seriously? You bash them for even saying one positive thing. Maybe we don't want you here. This forum is for everyone. Not just you and your loud obnoxous voice. You have no right to put someone down for enjoying a game. None at all.

The majority of people don't come to sites like this. BSN is a fraction of the fandom, just so you know."

[/quote]

I never said that they can't come on here. You keep manipulating my posts to help you sound rightcheous. If they are too afraid to post, then they need to go back to their cribs and cry about it. I'm not gonna act PG so that their feelings aren't hurt. I don't see how typing = loud obnoxious voice. MAYBE IF I TYPED IN CAPS, I'D GET YOUR POINT, but I don't. Maybe, just maybe, there isn't anyone afraid to post, and you are alone in this fight.

I don't bash them personally. I do you because you make us out to be cavemen and bullies. I point out how their comment is either flawed or just incorrect. I allow them state their opinions, especially if they make a topic just for that. You assume I'm trolling the forums, but all I'm trying to do is level the playing field. You have major companies on your side and you're complaining?! Open your eyes.

Modifié par Sireniankyle1, 14 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[Hexxys]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Hexxys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

Why does it bother you so much that people are trying to get the endings changed?  You realize that Bioware doesn't actually have to listen to our "demands", right?  You're just trying to draw lines on where our rights as fans begin and end.  The fact is we're not doing anything malicious or illegal, so yes, we have the right to do what we're doing.

No, but what you are doing is making it hard for people to actually post saying they enjoy the game.

So that's what it boils down to?  Really?

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

 Hilarious.

Suck it up, consumer. You deserve nothing!

Only in this industry...

[Archereon]

You do realize, those who say multiple sites calling the people asking for new endings tards means EA isn't buying them is false? EA's standard response to a PR crisis is to threaten to pull advertising from any site that reports positively about the issue, which is why you'll almost never see an article bashing one of EA's golden eggs on a major site.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Says in his own words "as a consumer product"

Thats it right there, that validates everything we are syaing.  If it was purely art then yeah we'd have no right to want it changed cause that would be a form of censorship.  But its not art, its a consumer product which is built with various art forms but together they form a commercial product and that is what it is, and there for people who purchase said product have the right to be upset when said product ends up not being what they thought it was.  Thats called false advertisement.  To be promised one thign but recieve another, if this was a physical product like a car people would actually have the legal right to get refunds for it.  But because its software, and an artistic form of software at that, the problem becoems much more muddled.  I don't think legally we have any right to get refunds for this situation, but most of us don't even want that.  We just want what we we're promised.  Theres nothign wrong with that.  In fact its wrong for ANYBODY to claim otherwise.  If you just roll over and accept what you get regardless that its not what you wanted, then where does that ever get you in life?  Probably a static unambitious desk job working on some meaningless psuedo-journalist game website. 

[HenchxNarf]

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

I never said that they can't come on here. You keep manipulating my posts to help you sound rightcheous. If they are too afraid to post, then they need to go back to their cribs and cry about it. I'm not gonna act PG so that their feelings aren't hurt. I don't see how typing = loud obnoxious voice. MAYBE IF I TYPED IN CAPS, I'D GET YOUR POINT, but I don't. Maybe, just maybe, there isn't anyone afraid to post, and you are alone in this fight.

I don't bash them personally. I do you because you make us out to be cavemen and bullies. I point out how their comment is either flawed or just incorrect. I allow them state their opinions, especially if they make a topic just for that. You assume I'm trolling the forums, but all I'm trying to do is level the playing field. You have major companies on your side and you're complaining?! Open your eyes.

You do realize that some of these posters are kids, right? They get excited for a game and they want to post something good. And a bunch of people make fun of them for their post (not you, specifically might I add). So yeah, they're not going to want to go through it again. And they shouldn't even have to go through it once.

Some of you are acting like bullies, and you can't deny it. I don't say you specifically. I may say you, but sometimes you is grouped in with everyone who seems to be saying the same things.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 14 mars 2012 - 11:47 .

[Sireniankyle1]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Hexxys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

And as I've said. Hate the game! Complain! That's your right to do. Go for it. But to demand them to change the ending? What about those who like the game? Do you think it's right to demand change and ruin their joy and experience? Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous and the only reason I got involved is because I hate seeing the ones who are being positive be smothered by the ones who don't give them a chance to express themselves.

Why does it bother you so much that people are trying to get the endings changed?  You realize that Bioware doesn't actually have to listen to our "demands", right?  You're just trying to draw lines on where our rights as fans begin and end.  The fact is we're not doing anything malicious or illegal, so yes, we have the right to do what we're doing.

No, but what you are doing is making it hard for people to actually post saying they enjoy the game.

So we can't have our rights but you can have yours? You're upset because you are out numbered. Something that should've been expected with such a terrible ening.