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Sireniankyle1 wrote...

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The theory that the majority likes the ending is blown out of the water.

http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28989


BSN does not = the brunt of the fandom.


then what does?


Apparently there are many many people giving positive feedback to BioWare. So much that they actually commented on it.

There is a very large number of people who bought ME3 that do not visit this site and do not participate in "polls". BSN is a chunk of the community, yes. But it is not the difinitive number. Older gamers don't visit online forums nor do they post their thoughts online.

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HenchxNarf wrote...

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Actually you are wrong on all accounts. Bioware makes plenty of money, it only takes 1 million sales to make profit and ME3 already did so. Secondly, Bioware is owned by EA, so Bioware is paid regardless and will not disband until EA says so, and EA are billionares. Lastly, no one is losing a job over a bunch of zealous children whining on boards, that's what kids do. DLC is being made regardless, they announced that pre and post launch just not to change an ending.


I wouldn't use the term zealous children. The complaints people have are valid.


I think they used that analogy because that's the way some of the people are acting.


Sure, but it undermines the fact that the more level headed complaints about the story, the plotholes, etc are actually valid. It gives the impression that anyone who complains or dissagrees is just an overzealous whiny child, and thats disrespectful and not helpful.

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DarkBladeX98 wrote...

 I love how all these higher intelligence say "its art, deal with it." whenever it is horribly inconsistent with everything, riddled with plotholes, and all three endings are very similar.That's not how my Shepard would go out, and more importantly, that's just not a good conclusion to such a great trilogy. Oh yeah, and the flawed logic.Image IPB


I agree. If nothing else, The logic. Vega was at the beam with me, and somehow hopped back onto the normandy with Sovereign class reapers surrounding him, and the ship flying off somewhere instead of being in Earth's orbit, and why would that beam target them? Especially if you choose control?

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Almostfaceman wrote...

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I agree with that quote, and would add that giving a writing veto to the BSN would be like arming chimpanzees.


Well oddly enough the BSN is good enough for Bioware to take our money.

Don't be typical and start insulting people you don't agree with by calling them dumb monkeys. There are valid well-thought-out complaints about the ending. Bioware has asked for feedback from us chimpanzee's, so we're giving it to them.


Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.

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Kami102 wrote...

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

love, love, love, love this article



YES THAT IS THE ONLY REASON why I wasn't going to BW Developers and pXXXed in their Entrance Hall ...

have done every single Sidequest, read every Codex they have thrown at me ... over 300 hours and only played ME1+2+3 with one Char once !
WTF ...
but at least that article described why I felt that way !
A little peace at last ... thank you


BIOWARE SHOULD READ THAT ... Gamefront Article

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HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

The theory that the majority likes the ending is blown out of the water.

http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28989


BSN does not = the brunt of the fandom.


then what does?


Apparently there are many many people giving positive feedback to BioWare. So much that they actually commented on it.

There is a very large number of people who bought ME3 that do not visit this site and do not participate in "polls". BSN is a chunk of the community, yes. But it is not the difinitive number. Older gamers don't visit online forums nor do they post their thoughts online.


So we have to take BioWare's word for it? and also assume that the supporters just don't post? That's an awefully big leap of faith.

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HenchxNarf wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

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I agree with that quote, and would add that giving a writing veto to the BSN would be like arming chimpanzees.


Well oddly enough the BSN is good enough for Bioware to take our money.

Don't be typical and start insulting people you don't agree with by calling them dumb monkeys. There are valid well-thought-out complaints about the ending. Bioware has asked for feedback from us chimpanzee's, so we're giving it to them.


Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


It's actually a great thing to do. Do you think Bioware would prefer that I just walk away, don't tell them what's wrong, and not buy anything of theirs ever again without giving them a chance to make things right? I don't think so.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 14 mars 2012 - 12:13 .


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HenchxNarf wrote...

Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


So, what do you suggest?  Other than rolling over and being grateful for "what we got"

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It's a common theme I've been seeing lately, sort of a... I'm actually not familiar with the proper terminology. It's a position adopted by individuals after thinking over a matter (in this instance, the nature of art) but which nevertheless is actually less congruous with the reality of the situation than the unthinking interpretation.

As I posted elsewhere, and as a writer myself, the immutability of stories and their 'sacredness' as works of art is nonsense, and I'm unfamiliar with any writer who feels otherwise. It's an artifact of a lack of understanding regarding how art is made - an expectation that rather than being the product of hard work and endless reiteration (which it is), it's some mystical Other, drawn from the aether and immune to any sort of objective reasoning. It's almost pseudo-religious, and it's nonsense. Art in a vacuum is indeed subjective, but novels are almost never art in a vacuum, and trilogies most assuredly are not. While I agree with individuals stating that we cannot demand alterations, the position that there is something philosophically wrong with an author altering a story after its initial release is metaphysical, not rational, and certainly should not be proffered as fact. Unless it was the author's intention to fail to bring closure to a significant number of people, their work is just as open to criticism and revision as any other non-art product. The fact that such alterations are uncommon in novels (they do happen, more often than you might think, though on smaller scales,) is more a matter of logistics than principle.

Videogames are the first truly fluid medium - indeed, it's a given that additional story will be released, and ostensibly it will (if only in incidental fashions) have the effect of altering the original story. The suggestion that we should not be able to voice our opinions as to how those resources should be directed is nothing short of bizarre, and stems from this pseudo-idealization of art. Writers (and painters, sculpters, etc.) are not savants, gifted with some amazing gift; we're mostly regular people doing a job that takes hard work, practice, and time. Accordingly, our products are as fallible as we are, and when they fail to elicit the desired reaction, they can be fixed. They don't have to be fixed, which is a point I'm finding it more and more important to stress, but they can be.



Inspirational. I wish we could all articulate our thoughts to words as this gentleman does.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I agree with that quote, and would add that giving a writing veto to the BSN would be like arming chimpanzees.


Well oddly enough the BSN is good enough for Bioware to take our money.

Don't be typical and start insulting people you don't agree with by calling them dumb monkeys. There are valid well-thought-out complaints about the ending. Bioware has asked for feedback from us chimpanzee's, so we're giving it to them.


Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


It's actually a great thing to do. Do you think Bioware would prefer that I just walk away, don't tell them what's wrong, and not buy anything of theirs ever again without giving them a chance to make things right? I don't think so.


Like the old saying goes, "You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar". Demanding, threatening, and throwing ultemateums isn't the way to get anything done. Likely, they'll just ignore you.

Because let's put it this way. I've heard the whole "YOU'RE NEVER GETTING MY MONEY AGAIN!" speech, and they still end up buying.

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I just get the feeling that all of the major game sites are paid off in some way. Strange that everyone makes the same argument, aren't they supposed to down-to-earth gamers as well... as we are? Their job is to review games, and point out faults, not take some high-horse stance against the "rabble" that apparently don't appreciate the game on the same elitist level they are.

The ending was bad, full of plotholes, didn't make sense and so on... how can they not see that?

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Chaota Vos wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


So, what do you suggest?  Other than rolling over and being grateful for "what we got"


Maybe acting mature would be a start, and tell them you're unsatisfied instead of demanding and threatening.

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Almostfaceman wrote...
It's actually a great thing to do. Do you think Bioware would prefer that I just walk away, don't tell them what's wrong, and not buy anything of theirs ever again without giving them a chance to make things right? I don't think so.


Honestly, base don their reactions to fan's disapproval in the past? yes, I'd say they would be happier if we were just quiet and accepted what they made.

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HenchxNarf wrote...

Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


That is just BS. We aren't even people for corporations. Our only value for them is our purchasing power and if we are willing to spend. As everything else is irrelevant, it doesn't matter how the message is delivered.

Modifié par ZLurps, 14 mars 2012 - 12:16 .


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Almostfaceman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I agree with that quote, and would add that giving a writing veto to the BSN would be like arming chimpanzees.


Well oddly enough the BSN is good enough for Bioware to take our money.

Don't be typical and start insulting people you don't agree with by calling them dumb monkeys. There are valid well-thought-out complaints about the ending. Bioware has asked for feedback from us chimpanzee's, so we're giving it to them.


Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


It's actually a great thing to do. Do you think Bioware would prefer that I just walk away, don't tell them what's wrong, and not buy anything of theirs ever again without giving them a chance to make things right? I don't think so.


That's what I'm doing. They can fix it or they can lose me ever buying a single thing from me again, and we all know what happens to devs that dont make as much money as EA wants.

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thomash81 wrote...

I just get the feeling that all of the major game sites are paid off in some way. Strange that everyone makes the same argument, aren't they supposed to down-to-earth gamers as well... as we are? Their job is to review games, and point out faults, not take some high-horse stance against the "rabble" that apparently don't appreciate the game on the same elitist level they are.

The ending was bad, full of plotholes, didn't make sense and so on... how can they not see that?


Because not everyone sees things as you do, and they actually see the game and ending for what it is. They are tired of hearing the same crap over and over again.

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ZLurps wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


That is just BS. We aren't even people for corporations. Our only value for them is our purchasing power and if we are willing to spend. As everything else is irrelevant, it doesn't matter how the message is delivered.


They're more likely to ignore you if you are being ****s about an issue instead of being civil and mature.

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HenchxNarf wrote...

thomash81 wrote...

I just get the feeling that all of the major game sites are paid off in some way. Strange that everyone makes the same argument, aren't they supposed to down-to-earth gamers as well... as we are? Their job is to review games, and point out faults, not take some high-horse stance against the "rabble" that apparently don't appreciate the game on the same elitist level they are.

The ending was bad, full of plotholes, didn't make sense and so on... how can they not see that?


Because not everyone sees things as you do, and they actually see the game and ending for what it is. They are tired of hearing the same crap over and over again.


Then what is the ending, what is it all about?

Also I love how you ignore anyone that brings up valid points like Almostfaceman .

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Cody211282 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I agree with that quote, and would add that giving a writing veto to the BSN would be like arming chimpanzees.


Well oddly enough the BSN is good enough for Bioware to take our money.

Don't be typical and start insulting people you don't agree with by calling them dumb monkeys. There are valid well-thought-out complaints about the ending. Bioware has asked for feedback from us chimpanzee's, so we're giving it to them.


Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


It's actually a great thing to do. Do you think Bioware would prefer that I just walk away, don't tell them what's wrong, and not buy anything of theirs ever again without giving them a chance to make things right? I don't think so.


That's what I'm doing. They can fix it or they can lose me ever buying a single thing from me again, and we all know what happens to devs that dont make as much money as EA wants.


They made their money on ME3, and they'll make their money on every other game they release because they have a very, very large fanbase that enjoy what they put out. Even if they don't like the ending, they still support them.

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HenchxNarf wrote...

Like the old saying goes, "You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar". Demanding, threatening, and throwing ultemateums isn't the way to get anything done. Likely, they'll just ignore you.

Because let's put it this way. I've heard the whole "YOU'RE NEVER GETTING MY MONEY AGAIN!" speech, and they still end up buying.


You're throwing out platitudes but not really giving me any alternatives. I've already bought their product and I can't return it. The only tool I have left is to let them know I'm not happy (politely) and let them know what in my eyes can make things right, then wait a bit to see if they'll respond. What else would you have me do? Pretend I'm happy? Heck, I'm even offering to pay for their time, to deliver on something I feel they promised in the first place.

And if Bioware isn't going to believe me, there isn't a thing in the world I can do to change that. But I am being serious and I am very disappointed in Mass Effect 3.

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Bioware even stated they are in for the money, not the art.


Link?

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Cody211282 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

thomash81 wrote...

I just get the feeling that all of the major game sites are paid off in some way. Strange that everyone makes the same argument, aren't they supposed to down-to-earth gamers as well... as we are? Their job is to review games, and point out faults, not take some high-horse stance against the "rabble" that apparently don't appreciate the game on the same elitist level they are.

The ending was bad, full of plotholes, didn't make sense and so on... how can they not see that?


Because not everyone sees things as you do, and they actually see the game and ending for what it is. They are tired of hearing the same crap over and over again.




Then what is the ending, what is it all about?

Also I love how you ignore anyone that brings up valid points like Almostfaceman .


I actually responded to them if you were paying attention.

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I can honestly, without a doubt, say that I fully intend to boycott further DLC and games. Bethesda treats me right. Especially with their PC titles. I have no problem reverting to Skyrim, and Fallout. And those are just a few games that I can fall back on. I appreciate what BioWare has done in the past, but they are ignoring us, and are screwing us over with an ending that my 9 month old nephew could write.

Modifié par Sireniankyle1, 14 mars 2012 - 12:21 .


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HenchxNarf wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Actually, you're giving them threats and ultimateums. Which isn't really a good way to get your point across.


That is just BS. We aren't even people for corporations. Our only value for them is our purchasing power and if we are willing to spend. As everything else is irrelevant, it doesn't matter how the message is delivered.


They're more likely to ignore you if you are being ****s about an issue instead of being civil and mature.


You are very naive I see. Like I said, we are nothing but walking wallets. Going to insulting may get you banned but even then, only thing that matters is if damage to brand image is going to result losses.

Modifié par ZLurps, 14 mars 2012 - 12:20 .


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Almostfaceman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Like the old saying goes, "You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar". Demanding, threatening, and throwing ultemateums isn't the way to get anything done. Likely, they'll just ignore you.

Because let's put it this way. I've heard the whole "YOU'RE NEVER GETTING MY MONEY AGAIN!" speech, and they still end up buying.


You're throwing out platitudes but not really giving me any alternatives. I've already bought their product and I can't return it. The only tool I have left is to let them know I'm not happy (politely) and let them know what in my eyes can make things right, then wait a bit to see if they'll respond. What else would you have me do? Pretend I'm happy? Heck, I'm even offering to pay for their time, to deliver on something I feel they promised in the first place.

And if Bioware isn't going to believe me, there isn't a thing in the world I can do to change that. But I am being serious and I am very disappointed in Mass Effect 3.


That's pretty much what I was trying to say. Be polite about it. Don't demand they change it and don't threaten them. Because they can live perfectly well without your contrebution. I've said all along, complain if you're not happy, but some of this is taking it too far.