Happy ending should at least be a option like if you have high EMS
Support a happy ending
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#552
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 05:16
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Didn't found one for Kaidan/Ashley so i skipped them.This is a fight for their happy ending as well though.nomoredruggs wrote...
Lovely pictures!
But where's Kaidan!
#553
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 05:32
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I still don't understand how this hurts anyone.
Hold the line for as long as it takes to get new endings.
Please check out this group and join in.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1
Thank you for your time.
Hold the line for as long as it takes to get new endings.
Please check out this group and join in.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1
Thank you for your time.
#554
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 05:35
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dsl08002 wrote...
Happy ending should at least be a option like if you have high EMS
This. An option. All we want is the possibility of choosing our own story, just as we were promised.
#555
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 07:00
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MartinPenwald wrote...
dsl08002 wrote...
Happy ending should at least be a option like if you have high EMS
This. An option. All we want is the possibility of choosing our own story, just as we were promised.
Well said!
Hold the line for as long as it takes to get new endings.
Please check out this group and join in.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1
Thank you for your time.
#557
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 07:42
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My hot blue girlfriend wants big kiss after i shut the reapers down!!!!
#558
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:22
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Have a look this, 1C company is openly ask their fans for wish list for the upcoming patches. Bioware should do the same.
http://forum.1cpubli...ed=1#post403750
http://forum.1cpubli...ed=1#post403750
#559
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:25
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I love the artwork in the OP. 
The option for a happy ending would be great. A logical ending is not just a great option, but essential to save the series and Bioware's credibility, in my estimation.
The option for a happy ending would be great. A logical ending is not just a great option, but essential to save the series and Bioware's credibility, in my estimation.
#560
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:26
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Yeah I can't get on board with this. I have said several times I have no problem with Shepard dieing, that part of the ending is fine. I really don't even hate the "space magic" portion as much as most people. My only real problem is completely writing off the Normandy and crew with ZERO explanation and no closure with any of the Normand crew. That is what needs to be fixed IMO. Everything up to "space magic" is fine.
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#561
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:09
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You can't or you don't want to? Why get all the EMS when you just 'die' in the end with no real option? If you have no problem with dying then go ahead and die, but why not support this for the other majority of people who want to see their Shepard alive?Jonas TM wrote...
Yeah I can't get on board with this. I have said several times I have no problem with Shepard dieing, that part of the ending is fine. I really don't even hate the "space magic" portion as much as most people. My only real problem is completely writing off the Normandy and crew with ZERO explanation and no closure with any of the Normand crew. That is what needs to be fixed IMO. Everything up to "space magic" is fine.
#562
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:13
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Deventh wrote...
Or how Garrus and FemShep are happy with the new adopted baby krogan (turian,asari,human w/e):
A Happy Ending
That krogan is so adorable :>
#563
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:22
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Deventh wrote...
You can't or you don't want to? Why get all the EMS when you just 'die' in the end with no real option? If you have no problem with dying then go ahead and die, but why not support this for the other majority of people who want to see their Shepard alive?
Truthfully, because "I" don't have a problem with it. It doesn't really seem believeable based on the current scenarios and it doesn't seem necessary. Shepard was defined by the Reapers and with them gone it seems fitting. If they changed it so that Shepard survive in more scenarios than just the 5000+ renegade would I be pissed? Probably not, but I think it would be a cop out. Everything doesn't need a happy ending, it just needs a good ending and closure (which we didn't get).
And the EMS in my view was how much you could save from the ashes of the invaded worlds and how much of the fleet survive in Sol. EMS shouldn't quarantee you survive, if anythign it should have been based more on your choices throughout ME3 and the previous games.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:26
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Jonas TM wrote...
Deventh wrote...
You can't or you don't want to? Why get all the EMS when you just 'die' in the end with no real option? If you have no problem with dying then go ahead and die, but why not support this for the other majority of people who want to see their Shepard alive?
Truthfully, because "I" don't have a problem with it. It doesn't really seem believeable based on the current scenarios and it doesn't seem necessary. Shepard was defined by the Reapers and with them gone it seems fitting. If they changed it so that Shepard survive in more scenarios than just the 5000+ renegade would I be pissed? Probably not, but I think it would be a cop out. Everything doesn't need a happy ending, it just needs a good ending and closure (which we didn't get).
And the EMS in my view was how much you could save from the ashes of the invaded worlds and how much of the fleet survive in Sol. EMS shouldn't quarantee you survive, if anythign it should have been based more on your choices throughout ME3 and the previous games.
No one here is saying you can't get your Shepard dies ending still.
#566
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:29
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The option for a "happy" conclusion would be great. Shep alive, little blue babies, house on the shore, whatever your LI of choice is looking for.
I put "happy" in quotes because even a perfect ending for Shep still fulfills BioWare's need for a bittersweet end. Billions, if not trillions, will have already died to get to that point, some of them very close to Shep. Every galactic civilization except the Salarians has had their home world and infrastructure shattered. The galactic economy is virtually non-existent. Some stellar governments are just gone.
Why they felt that the endings they gave us were necessary to depict an ending with sacrifice is beyond me. Shep as a person ands the galaxy as a whole has sacrificed time and again the entire game, regardless of your choices. An ending where Shep is victorious and has a chance to enjoy the love of friends in family, against the backdrop of a post-war galaxy, does not seem to invalidate any of that.
I put "happy" in quotes because even a perfect ending for Shep still fulfills BioWare's need for a bittersweet end. Billions, if not trillions, will have already died to get to that point, some of them very close to Shep. Every galactic civilization except the Salarians has had their home world and infrastructure shattered. The galactic economy is virtually non-existent. Some stellar governments are just gone.
Why they felt that the endings they gave us were necessary to depict an ending with sacrifice is beyond me. Shep as a person ands the galaxy as a whole has sacrificed time and again the entire game, regardless of your choices. An ending where Shep is victorious and has a chance to enjoy the love of friends in family, against the backdrop of a post-war galaxy, does not seem to invalidate any of that.
#567
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:32
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this is all i ever whanted from the mass effect series even if it ment sacrificing the rest of the crew
#568
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:33
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Happy Ending! I want it!
My Femshep deserves to be happy with Liara.
Also my EMS was very high so everyone in my game deserves it.
My Femshep deserves to be happy with Liara.
Also my EMS was very high so everyone in my game deserves it.
#569
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:34
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I support an ending that makes coherent sense and is not an affront against the franchise. If that claim is met, I support a happy ending with turian babies. Screw biology.
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Not half as adorable as Garrus... *swoons*
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Zardoc wrote...
Deventh wrote...
Or how Garrus and FemShep are happy with the new adopted baby krogan (turian,asari,human w/e):
A Happy Ending
That krogan is so adorable :>
Not half as adorable as Garrus... *swoons*
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#570
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:36
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Oh man i wish we got a really,really happy ending without any option of Shepard dying so that we can reverse our current situations, so that you can really see what is going on and what we want. Because you're saying that you don't need a happy ending and there shouldn't be one and i'm fine with "you don't need a happy ending" we never wanted THE happy ending, we want A happy ending with a lot of effort, but to say that there shouldn't be one is wrong on quite a few levels don't you think? It's selfish to think only for yourself and not even support a chance to get what other people want. Fine your Shepard dies that's it. Why not have multiple endings to satisfy most people?Jonas TM wrote...
Deventh wrote...
You can't or you don't want to? Why get all the EMS when you just 'die' in the end with no real option? If you have no problem with dying then go ahead and die, but why not support this for the other majority of people who want to see their Shepard alive?
Truthfully, because "I" don't have a problem with it. It doesn't really seem believeable based on the current scenarios and it doesn't seem necessary. Shepard was defined by the Reapers and with them gone it seems fitting. If they changed it so that Shepard survive in more scenarios than just the 5000+ renegade would I be pissed? Probably not, but I think it would be a cop out. Everything doesn't need a happy ending, it just needs a good ending and closure (which we didn't get).
And the EMS in my view was how much you could save from the ashes of the invaded worlds and how much of the fleet survive in Sol. EMS shouldn't quarantee you survive, if anythign it should have been based more on your choices throughout ME3 and the previous games.
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#571
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:43
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Within the context of providing a happy ending, Bioware could always add a negative consequence to allow them to follow through on their bittersweet motivations towards endings particularly where Shepard gets a survive option.
For example, I do still feel an element of shame having allowed Loghaine to take the bullet for me in DAO.
For example, I do still feel an element of shame having allowed Loghaine to take the bullet for me in DAO.
#572
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:48
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Actually I find the whole argument about happy vs bittersweet vs whatever endings irrelevant. Out of all the problems I have seen people bring up about the endings it is the one I am least worried about. And I can see your point I just don't agree with it. Shepard surviving should not be assumed, that is what I think you are proposing, and I think it trivializes the final battle. Again I am speaking from a point of how it is and having no problem with that portion of the ending. If Shepard does survive it should be difficult to achieve like it is now. Except it should not be limited to Red, this is the only thing I think is unfair about how it is now.
That I could get on board with. If you can get an ending where Shepard survives more or less intact there needs to be negative consequences involved.
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Huyai wrote...
Within the context of providing a happy ending, Bioware could always add a negative consequence to allow them to follow through on their bittersweet motivations towards endings particularly where Shepard gets a survive option.
That I could get on board with. If you can get an ending where Shepard survives more or less intact there needs to be negative consequences involved.
EDIT - clarifying
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#573
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:54
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I will build Tali that god damn house on Rannoch, Bioware and their grimdark ending obsession be damned.
#574
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:56
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I'm throwing in my support for a happy ending. Why not? My Shep and Kaidan have babies to make!
#575
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:42
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I was asked to post this here and I fully support a happy ending:
I think that the story of Mass Effect 3 precludes the possibility of a real 'happy' ending. I think what most people think when they say they want a 'happy' ending, or at least the chance of one, is something similar to the ending of ME2.
It was possible in ME2 to accomplish the suicide mission but along the way you've lost tens of thousands of colonists, possibly your Cerberus crew, possibly all your squadmates, possibly even Shepard. You could have a devestating ending where you lost everyone, to one where everyone (but the colonists) makes it back home to fight another day.
Add in that both these possibilites (and all the ones in-between) also had potential depressing moments for each character:
* Tali loses her father and is exiled.
* Garrus loses his squad and gives in to revenge.
* Jacob finds his father and forces him to kill himself.
* VS doesn't trust you.
* Liara has grown distant and cold.
* Thane is dying.
* Kasumi has to give up the only thing she has left of her lover.
* Jack kills another Cerberus victim.
* Samara kills her daughter (or vice versa)
* Etc.
The story is pretty bitter-sweet at its lightest moments and can become pretty devestating based on your actions. Granted, it wasn't difficult (especially on subsequent playthroughs) to avoid losses.
ME3 is even more devestating and makes loss even harder (and at times impossible) to avoid.
Even with the best outcome, with 'destroy' so Shepard lives; Anderson, Thane, Legion, Mordin/Wrex and the Geth are all killed off. It is very easy to add even more loss to this:
* If you miss a conversation with Miranda, or she's unloyal, she'll die.
* If you're too late to Grissom Academy, Jack is captured by CERBERUS and you have to fight and kill her.
* If you upgrade the Geth and fail to stop the Quarian attack then the Quarians are gone and Tali kills herself.
* If you gave Legin to Cerberus you have to kill him.
* If Morinth survived ME2 you have to kill her.
* If your EMS is low the people you take on the final run are killed.
* If you don't comfort Cortez, he dies.
* Etc.
It is possible to easily run up huge losses amongst your nearest and dearest. Not to mention the staggering losses to the Reapers in the battles for Earth, Palavan and Thessia to say the least.
So, is it too much to ask that, after suffering horrible (to soul-crushing) loss in the war with the Reapers for: Shepard, if they survive, to come out the other side with the survivors of his/her crew? I think that would be a bittersweet ending, you could even couple the reunion with a montage of all the people(s) that have been lost along the way. I don't see how anyone can see this as a 'sugery sweet' RotJ type ending. It makes the best outcome bittersweet and returns some hope, some light, to some of the other devestating possible outcomes.
But the current endings, where Shepard is either dead or near death and seperated from the people they love/care about... to end on that note after so much emotional investment from the fans and so much leading on in the dialogue; to 'making it through', 'never leaving', 'this isn't goodbye', with so much potential loss already (listed above)... well, it's just a kick to the balls to the fanbase.
One of the reaccuring themes of ME3 is to maintain hope when things look their bleakest. The Asari councillor says Shepard is the sole ray of light in an otherwise dark night. Eve says something similar when giving you her crystal. Anderson & Hackett keep telling Shepard he is the only hope for the galaxy. I, as Shepard, told my crew - my LI - that we were going to make it, together. In return, they promised to never leave my side.
In the endings BioWare takes that all away. As it stands, I can't enjoy playing the game because of the change this (the endings) makes to the dialogue.
Is it too much to ask for the return of hope?
I think that the story of Mass Effect 3 precludes the possibility of a real 'happy' ending. I think what most people think when they say they want a 'happy' ending, or at least the chance of one, is something similar to the ending of ME2.
It was possible in ME2 to accomplish the suicide mission but along the way you've lost tens of thousands of colonists, possibly your Cerberus crew, possibly all your squadmates, possibly even Shepard. You could have a devestating ending where you lost everyone, to one where everyone (but the colonists) makes it back home to fight another day.
Add in that both these possibilites (and all the ones in-between) also had potential depressing moments for each character:
* Tali loses her father and is exiled.
* Garrus loses his squad and gives in to revenge.
* Jacob finds his father and forces him to kill himself.
* VS doesn't trust you.
* Liara has grown distant and cold.
* Thane is dying.
* Kasumi has to give up the only thing she has left of her lover.
* Jack kills another Cerberus victim.
* Samara kills her daughter (or vice versa)
* Etc.
The story is pretty bitter-sweet at its lightest moments and can become pretty devestating based on your actions. Granted, it wasn't difficult (especially on subsequent playthroughs) to avoid losses.
ME3 is even more devestating and makes loss even harder (and at times impossible) to avoid.
Even with the best outcome, with 'destroy' so Shepard lives; Anderson, Thane, Legion, Mordin/Wrex and the Geth are all killed off. It is very easy to add even more loss to this:
* If you miss a conversation with Miranda, or she's unloyal, she'll die.
* If you're too late to Grissom Academy, Jack is captured by CERBERUS and you have to fight and kill her.
* If you upgrade the Geth and fail to stop the Quarian attack then the Quarians are gone and Tali kills herself.
* If you gave Legin to Cerberus you have to kill him.
* If Morinth survived ME2 you have to kill her.
* If your EMS is low the people you take on the final run are killed.
* If you don't comfort Cortez, he dies.
* Etc.
It is possible to easily run up huge losses amongst your nearest and dearest. Not to mention the staggering losses to the Reapers in the battles for Earth, Palavan and Thessia to say the least.
So, is it too much to ask that, after suffering horrible (to soul-crushing) loss in the war with the Reapers for: Shepard, if they survive, to come out the other side with the survivors of his/her crew? I think that would be a bittersweet ending, you could even couple the reunion with a montage of all the people(s) that have been lost along the way. I don't see how anyone can see this as a 'sugery sweet' RotJ type ending. It makes the best outcome bittersweet and returns some hope, some light, to some of the other devestating possible outcomes.
But the current endings, where Shepard is either dead or near death and seperated from the people they love/care about... to end on that note after so much emotional investment from the fans and so much leading on in the dialogue; to 'making it through', 'never leaving', 'this isn't goodbye', with so much potential loss already (listed above)... well, it's just a kick to the balls to the fanbase.
One of the reaccuring themes of ME3 is to maintain hope when things look their bleakest. The Asari councillor says Shepard is the sole ray of light in an otherwise dark night. Eve says something similar when giving you her crystal. Anderson & Hackett keep telling Shepard he is the only hope for the galaxy. I, as Shepard, told my crew - my LI - that we were going to make it, together. In return, they promised to never leave my side.
In the endings BioWare takes that all away. As it stands, I can't enjoy playing the game because of the change this (the endings) makes to the dialogue.
Is it too much to ask for the return of hope?
