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[Ulrik the Slayer]

Lawful Evil is referred to as the "Dominator" or "Diabolic" alignment.
Characters of this alignment see a well-ordered system as being easier
to exploit, and show a combination of desirable and undesirable traits;
while they usually obey their superiors and keep their word, they care
nothing for the rights and freedoms of other individuals. Examples of
this alignment include tyrants, devils, undiscriminating mercenary
types who have a strict code of conduct, and loyal soldiers who enjoy
the act of killing. Like Lawful Good Paladins, Lawful Evil characters
may sometimes find themselves faced with the dilemma of whether to obey
law or evil when the two conflict - however their issues with Law
versus Evil are more concerned with "Will I get caught?" vs "How does
this benefit me?"


The bolded parts fits Sten and the Quanari like a glove. Sten might not be actively seeking to do evil á la a cape-clad villain, but he doesn't disagree with it either. Add to that their warmongering and conquestive nature.

while they usually obey their superiors and keep their word, they care
nothing for the rights and freedoms of other individuals.
Sten doesn't care for the villagers of Redcliffe - he disaproves of helping them defend themselves, for example. He is also fine with, in fact wants to, slaughter all the mages of the Circle due to the hatred he's been fed when growing up as a Quanari.

undiscriminating mercenary
types who have a strict code of conduct, and loyal soldiers who enjoy
the act of killing
Are not all Quanari encountered bloodthristy mercenaries, doing evil? Are not Sten originaly on a scouting mission in order to gather information so he can report back and give the Qunari more information for their conquest of Ferelden?

Its a tough case, but I just can't agree with the Quanari and Sten being Neutral.

Modifié par Ulrik the Slayer, 29 novembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[Gen-An]

enchantment!

[DaeFaron]

Um, I don't remember Sten ever going "I'm going to kill you Mr. Bandit, and I'm going to laugh and enjoy it."

[Inarai]

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Lawful Evil is referred to as the "Dominator" or "Diabolic" alignment.
Characters of this alignment see a well-ordered system as being easier
to exploit, and show a combination of desirable and undesirable traits;
while they usually obey their superiors and keep their word, they care
nothing for the rights and freedoms of other individuals. Examples of
this alignment include tyrants, devils, undiscriminating mercenary
types who have a strict code of conduct, and loyal soldiers who enjoy
the act of killing. Like Lawful Good Paladins, Lawful Evil characters
may sometimes find themselves faced with the dilemma of whether to obey
law or evil when the two conflict - however their issues with Law
versus Evil are more concerned with "Will I get caught?" vs "How does
this benefit me?"


The bolded parts fits Sten and the Quanari like a glove. Sten might not be actively seeking to do evil á la a cape-clad villain, but he doesn't disagree with it either. Add to that their warmongering and conquestive nature.

Sten doesn't care for the villagers of Redcliffe - he disaproves of helping them defend themselves, for example. He is also fine with, in fact wants to, slaughter all the mages of the Circle due to the hatred he's been fed when growing up as a Quanari.

Its a tough case, but I just can't agree with the Quanari and Sten being Neutral.

1: You can't apply a single alignment to a race.  You get "usually x", but for intelligent non outsiders, you really don't see "always x", except for maybe a couple of dragon types.

2: You can't cherry pick like that, either, and if you do you shouldn't fail at it.  Sten doesn't seem to enjoy killing, it's just something he has to do - and even then, to kill an unworthy opponent is wrong.

[Raxxman]

Sten never shows enjoyment of killing. So your glove seems to only have 3 fingers.



And he doesn't seem concerned with the 'how will I get caught' aspect either. So it's missing a thumb.



He also doesn't come across as a mercenary, I doubt you could bribe Sten. His loyalty is the Quanari to the point of death, and nothing else.



And previously you were complaining that he did discriminate, and he does about mages and women. It's a cultural thing though.



I'd say nice try, but it's not even a decent effort.

[DaeFaron]

Yep, and Sten is in no way a merccenary. He fits the LN "Soldier who obeys orders, and places honor, duty, and loyality above moral choices"

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Yeah right. Seeing Sten in action reveals he hates fighting as much as Oghren dislikes alcohol. But whatever. I've given you my interpretation of Sten, and I can see this is going nowhere. I just hope your idolizing and worship of Sten brings you the mercy of the Quanari when they come. Maybe they'll keep you as pets.

[marshalleck]

Well I still disagree with you Ulrik but thanks for acknowledging what the rules actually say.

[DaeFaron]

Well, befriending Sten and learning about him helps as he tells you that he would rather never fight you.

[marshalleck]

nevermind, spoilers, forgot which forum I was on :/

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 novembre 2009 - 01:30 .

[Korgaah]

Gentlemen! GENTLEMEN!! Lets not fight in the WAR ROOM!



Sten cant be evil.. He Likes COOKIES!!!! REMEMBER!!!??