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[Rodia Driftwood]

Porfirmir wrote...

I disagree vehemently with those who do not feel that this is laziness on the part of Bioware.

1.)  I don't agree that this was meant to be an "Easter Egg."  Discovering Tali's portrait may be an Easter Egg in itself (as only those who are romancing her can see it) but the artwork used for her portrait is an obvious hatchet job.

2.)  I remember a time when gigantic, Photoshop lens flare effects on any kind of a picture were considered memes in and of themselves.  Sure, they can rationalize that she was looking at the sunset when the photo was taken, but other elements of the picture suggest that it was added to obscure the subject rather than improve upon it.  For me, the proof lies in the digital amputation that left behind the, heh, vestigial knuckle.

3.)  This is a AAA title produced by a major studio.  Are they really that starved for resources?  They must have gigabytes of art assets that they could have recycled without our knowledge that could be used to craft an acceptable face for Tali.  They could have rasterized an NPC's model and Photoshopped it.  They could have whipped something up in the character editor.  They could have used something other than a picture that could be found easily on Google Image Search.

4.)  Tali is one of my favorite characters, to be sure, but I am not nearly as rabid a fan of hers as a lot of other people.  But she's not a random NPC.  She is not a DLC character.  She is a potential love interest for the protagonist.  Do I care what she looks like under her mask?  Of course.  Bioware themselves have perpetuated this mystery, to make people care. They have publicly acknowledged fan requests to reveal her true appearance in the past; there is a lot of "buzz" on the subject matter.  After all that, all they could come up with is a royalty-free stock photo of Jane Doe? 

When even the creators of the character treat her with such a distinct lack of respect, what does it say to casual fans like me? 

This.

[Talogrungi]

As a fan of the energetic quarian; I've no problem with Tali's face.

Re-rendering of an existing photo, or cosplay chick in make-up, or entirely CGI quarian face .. all the same really. We clamored for a glimpse at Tali and Bioware delivered exactly that.

[The Final Warrior]

I must be the only person here who is both a Talimancer and who hasn't liked any fan image of what Tali looks like.

(Not to imply that I like the official one, though.)

-- Griffinhart

[Novouto]

Pissed they didn't show her face ingame. Bastards.

[katamuro]

Yeah its quite a fact that there just is as many versions of Talis face as Talimancers.

[NA1]

I loved the image.

Honestly, no matter what they did, they would have angered most of you.

[The Final Warrior]

I would've been fine with an "official" Taliface, if the current one weren't a lazy photochop. I mean, I might not have liked it, but it wouldn't be as insulting as the one we're given.

-- Griffinhart

[katamuro]

I am not angered as such just dissapointed for a company that made so many good characters would bail out on this.

[count_4]

NA1 wrote...
Honestly, no matter what they did, they would have angered most of you.

Same as with the ending really. People aren't complaining about the looks of Tali but the total lack of effort put into it.

Regarding this lack of effort, though, and the fact that BioWare knows how important Tali is(the only reason she reappeared and was romancable was because BW was blown away by the amount of love for her) this might actually be a mess-up at the other end of the production.
Seriously, this picture looks like a bad mock-up an artist might create to explore some ideas and not a final product. Can't imagine any lead designer in the world would accept such a lazy shop from his artists and it wouldn't be the first time Bioware messed up deployment.

If this is the intended final product though, I'd be really ashamed as the one responsible...

Modifié par count_4, 14 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Count Viceroy]

it is so incredibly lazy to use a poorly photoshoped stock image found on the internt its ridiculous.

[Nashiktal]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Porfirmir wrote...

I disagree vehemently with those who do not feel that this is laziness on the part of Bioware.

1.)  I don't agree that this was meant to be an "Easter Egg."  Discovering Tali's portrait may be an Easter Egg in itself (as only those who are romancing her can see it) but the artwork used for her portrait is an obvious hatchet job.

2.)  I remember a time when gigantic, Photoshop lens flare effects on any kind of a picture were considered memes in and of themselves.  Sure, they can rationalize that she was looking at the sunset when the photo was taken, but other elements of the picture suggest that it was added to obscure the subject rather than improve upon it.  For me, the proof lies in the digital amputation that left behind the, heh, vestigial knuckle.

3.)  This is a AAA title produced by a major studio.  Are they really that starved for resources?  They must have gigabytes of art assets that they could have recycled without our knowledge that could be used to craft an acceptable face for Tali.  They could have rasterized an NPC's model and Photoshopped it.  They could have whipped something up in the character editor.  They could have used something other than a picture that could be found easily on Google Image Search.

4.)  Tali is one of my favorite characters, to be sure, but I am not nearly as rabid a fan of hers as a lot of other people.  But she's not a random NPC.  She is not a DLC character.  She is a potential love interest for the protagonist.  Do I care what she looks like under her mask?  Of course.  Bioware themselves have perpetuated this mystery, to make people care. They have publicly acknowledged fan requests to reveal her true appearance in the past; there is a lot of "buzz" on the subject matter.  After all that, all they could come up with is a royalty-free stock photo of Jane Doe? 

When even the creators of the character treat her with such a distinct lack of respect, what does it say to casual fans like me? 

This.

This indeed.

And oh am I dissapointed. Putting aside the laziness involved with the photoshop job.... I had such high hopes for bioware when it came to the quarians as a whole. These same developers are the one's who gave us the Turians. They gave us the krogan, the salarians, the yahg, elcor and other various aliens.

And bioware is showing me that not only do they not care enough about the quarians to put some effort in their looks, but they were uncreative enough to make the quarians humans with funky hands and legs?

How can a game have such good in it, where you can feel the love and effort that goes into it, yet have such laziness at the same time? Was it money? Time constraints? Why did they do this?

What gets me even more is that the scene itself, where shep looks at the picture, is so touching in of itself. The music, the camera work and shep's expression.... All thrown out because of this public domain mockup that they pass off to us.

[Nashiktal]

The Final Warrior wrote...

I would've been fine with an "official" Taliface, if the current one weren't a lazy photochop. I mean, I might not have liked it, but it wouldn't be as insulting as the one we're given.

-- Griffinhart

Not just good characters, but great alien designs. It's a copout.

[Omega Torsk]

Vaktathi wrote...

As much as I'm butthurt about ME3 right now, am I like the only person that didn't find this to be any sort of an issue?

I find tali to be one of the coolest characters in ME3, have always wanted a reveal, but this really didnt' bother me.

I saw no issue with what they decided to do. At least we finally got to see what her face looks like (and have a general idea of what Quarians truly look like).
Given the manner in which they did it, I'm sorry, but the ending makes this a non-issue for me...

[GroverA125]

Two things for all Tali/Quarian fans (I know you'll understand):

1: Tick.
2: Boom.

It was a complete disaster for pleasing the fans, while if they'd done some proper work into it, they most likely could have gotten away with the picture instead of an in-game character model for un-masked quarians. If they'd have done some proper work, got an actual self-produced image, and then worked around that, they could have pleased a lot of people. No doubt on the matter, it was a difficult bill to fill, but if they'd have at least put some effort in, used fan-art to gain some inspiration and view what people want to see, then this would have worked out rather well in their favour. Instead, we can add it to viable reasons to dislike what they did in the game. I pray that in future releases of the game, they at least put some proper effort into it.

Side note: as far as I know, they're the ONLY alien race to have hair, if the picture is to be considered canon (which I hope they don't. Hell, go deniable all you can Bioware)

[Warior135]

GroverA125 wrote...

Two things for all Tali/Quarian fans (I know you'll understand):

1: Tick.
2: Boom.

It was a complete disaster for pleasing the fans, while if they'd done some proper work into it, they most likely could have gotten away with the picture instead of an in-game character model for un-masked quarians. If they'd have done some proper work, got an actual self-produced image, and then worked around that, they could have pleased a lot of people. No doubt on the matter, it was a difficult bill to fill, but if they'd have at least put some effort in, used fan-art to gain some inspiration and view what people want to see, then this would have worked out rather well in their favour. Instead, we can add it to viable reasons to dislike what they did in the game. I pray that in future releases of the game, they at least put some proper effort into it.

Side note: as far as I know, they're the ONLY alien race to have hair, if the picture is to be considered canon (which I hope they don't. Hell, go deniable all you can Bioware)

Hell, If they used the fan-art that has been coming up loads, Tali'mancers (Like my-self) would drool.

[Blind2Society]

The Final Warrior wrote...

This is why the portrait is lazy.



(Ignore the text; you can still get the portrait if Tali is your LI and you don't wipe out the quarians.)

-- Griffinhart

Honestly  I don't mind them using that stock photo as the girl is beautiful but the terrible PS job (on the hand mostly, I mean why the heck didn't they at least remove the middle fingers!?) along with the lack of official art, backgrounds and a full character model is truly shameful. Shame on you Bdub.

[MPSai]

You know I always thought they were pretty lazy with the Quarians in ME2. I thought on the flotilla at least they would be able to be unmasked and unsuited. Kind of a wasted opportunity but I forgave it, but then they went and were even lazier with them in ME3.

[count_4]

GroverA125 wrote...
if the picture is to be considered canon

That's what I am afraid of. Not only did BioWare define an entire race with a shoped stock photo but the resemblance of the human appearance makes it even a little strange looking at the picture.
It's like the uncanny valley of biology - it's so close to the human physiology that the hand doesn't look natural but like if Tali reached into a friggin' blender.
The more I look at this picture the more disturbing it gets... :/

[nupfi]

[comrade gando]

The pic doesnt even look right. I mean shes outside (doeant look like rannoch to me thats a desert planet), without her suit, and the rest of the obvious stuff due to beingnanbad photo shop. She looks entirely too human imo (and shes apparently a mouthbreather o.O)

[Blind2Society]

I did this in 2 minutes just to show how the hand could have been done better. A major professional company did a 9th grade PS hack job. They took the easy route with the hand and it's shameful. The only possible explanation is EA rushed them.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 14 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[Deltoran]

Another Taliface thread...hmmm. Ok, well, I didn't mind the design of Tali's face, but I was a bit miffed that they didn't create a 3d model for use in the game.

[Garmsbane]

Blind2Society wrote...

I did this in 2 minutes just to show how the hand could have been done better. A major professional company did a 9th grade PS hack job. They took the easy route with the hand and it's shameful. The only possible explanation is EA rushed them.

So the easy route isn't the one where you photoshop two fingers out to give Tali permanent heavy metal horns?
http://listsoplenty....d-the-horns.jpg

[Capone666]

See here, it was photo shopped.

[daguest]

BlackAceAngel wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Link to an image of it please? I didn't get to see it.

Here a link http://www.screwatta...3-tali-unmasked

I dont know why they not just take a picture of Ash Sroka (she done voice of Tali btw) and photoshop her.

It seems nobody added the original picture (before photoshop), so I add the link,  feel free to check (sorry if it's in french, but you just need the picture, right ) :
http://www.gettyimag...roits/123488108

Of course, first it's a bad photoshop. For an inconic character like Tali, with her enigmatic face... I mean, we've seen better fan work about it....
Then there is a plot hole (again). She is clearly seen on a random planet (where ?) without her armor. Quarian die when exposed to the outside, except when it's highly controled, and bacteria/viruses free. And still, they cacth some illness, from the few pathogens left in the air. 
There is plenty of discussion, and even a mail in ME3, where people say Quarian die once exposed to the outside. They have NO immune system, and suddenly are exposed to millions of pathogens.


In the end, I think using Ash Sroka face :
http://www.dizimizi....ash-sroka-2.jpg
http://profile.ak.fb...385_45454_n.jpg

And photoshop her to add the "alien" feeling (and oriental to), like they did on Liara and Jillian Murray (the face of Liara, not her voice)
liara : http://images1.wikia...aracter_Box.png
Jillian : http://ia.media-imdb...,0,214,314_.jpg

would have been better.

Modifié par daguest, 14 mars 2012 - 07:10 .