Aller au contenu

Photo

THINK about YOUR ending for a change...


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
205 réponses à ce sujet

#1
saracen16

saracen16
  • Members
  • 2 283 messages
This is just my opinion. I LOVED the endings. I thought they were amazing. Why is that? Because they raise many questions. All the races got enough closure: the Krogans were cured of the genophage, and the Quarians and the Geth made peace, etc. I'll use some examples...

- Is Shepard indoctrinated near the end? The dream sequence and the all-too-familiar appearance of the Catalyst leads me to think that is a great possibility. It makes me think that the Reapers are really and truly godly-unstoppable, and can therefore not be destroyed, and all what we've seen afterwards... was an illusion. But maybe only the Catalyst appearing as a boy was an illusion, and everything else was real.

- The Reapers were the good guys? See, that's what scares me: the Catalyst and the Reapers believe that they are doing the best for organic species by preserving them and preventing them from being annihilated by the synthetics they create, in the process most likely destroying the synthetics as well as their masters. Suddenly, Saren doesn't sound like a raving, deluded fanatic, but a savior of organic species... albeit not in the way that most organics want. This pattern is something the Catalyst created, through the construction of the mass relays. Remember what Vendetta said: the universe has seen this cycle repeat itself in the same patterns of evolution and the same valleys of dissolution (something that isn't merely by chance). What if the Reapers and the Catalyst were gods who repeated these things? What if there are larger forces at play that are manipulating how people believe in religion and the like? Notice the similarities between the Asari-Prothean and Salarian-Krogan relationships? Notice anything between the Prothean AI's who rebelled and the Quarian-Geth conflict?

- Was the galaxy saved or destroyed? I thought at once that because the mass relays were destroyed, that meant all solar systems were, too. But they weren't rammed by asteroids. They got destroyed AFTER they POWERED UP and PROPELLED the Crucible transmission to another solar system, a self-propagating chain that was broken as you went along it. The energy stored in the mass relay was used to propel the dissipated Crucible signals arriving at the next solar systems, and after propelling this UNQUANTIFIABLE energy, it shatters in the process, most likely sparing the solar systems as a result. Even scarier is what happens afterwards. Will the Krogans go to war against the Salarians if you cured the genophage? What will Quarian life be like without the Geth and vice-versa? Better yet, what will Quarian life be like when all synthetics are DESTROYED? What will Quarians do without the geth ON RANNOCH? With the Citadel council no more, and space travel a myth, how will my Shepard be remembered by the races of the galaxy?

BioWare hasn't broken any promises: they've given us closure on most if not all of the issues during the game. Even if they did... SCREW THEIR PROMISES. They gave us an amazing game regardless of what they promised. I played the game with zero expectations and was satisfied to find that the lore and all the plot details were satisfied. Mass Effect 3 in its entirety was THE END. We saw what happened to the Krogans after we cured the genophage: Eve got pregnant. We saw what happened to the Quarians after they embraced the Geth: some geth uploaded themselves into Quarian hardsuits to allow the Quarians to better adjust to Rannoch. That's the best closure I can get from MY perspective as Shepard. I didn't expect that I would make it out of this fight alive.

This experience has been one of the most personal, and the trilogy left me with a lot of questions. As such, it means that I will never forget it because these are things that stick to my mind. If I knew what happened to the krogans afterwards, I'd just nod then forget about it. I've got the closure I wanted, and was left with even more questions. I wasn't aggravated by the game. I was aggravated IN it: the world gave me the same reaction as Deus Ex did with its cast of characters. Why should BioWare give us a run-of-the-mill PowerPoint presentation? I don't want to be able to wrap my head around something that is galactic in its scope. I'm only human, and my story is done. What happens to the rest of the galaxy is up to the rest of the species, and only my imagination limits the possibilities.

THINK about YOUR ending for a change, and then post your interpretation here...
please.

Modifié par saracen16, 14 mars 2012 - 03:53 .


#2
kcitee

kcitee
  • Members
  • 10 messages
Have a look at this...


http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

#3
saracen16

saracen16
  • Members
  • 2 283 messages

kcitee1 wrote...

Have a look at this...


http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/


To be honest, I haven't read this article, but it realizes everything that I said! Unfortunately, the majority of ME3 fans here don't understand that or don't have the time to think about it.

But what do you think about your ending?

#4
blah64

blah64
  • Members
  • 501 messages
I've thought about it alot. I didn't get nearly enough closure. I couldn't get passed the plotholes. And at the end of the day, it's not what I was promised. I was promised answers, not more questions.

#5
Maike91

Maike91
  • Members
  • 506 messages

blah64 wrote...

I've thought about it alot. I didn't get nearly enough closure. I couldn't get passed the plotholes. And at the end of the day, it's not what I was promised. I was promised answers, not more questions.



#6
Dranume

Dranume
  • Members
  • 384 messages
Yet another post implying that the Fan base of ME3 are too dimwitted to figure out the endings. sigh....

There is a big difference in understanding and not liking....

#7
ziloe

ziloe
  • Members
  • 3 088 messages
It's people like you who annoy the hell out of me. Did you even BOTHER playing the other options after? They are identical, minus a few colours!

#8
legion999

legion999
  • Members
  • 5 315 messages

saracen16 wrote...

kcitee1 wrote...

Have a look at this...
http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/


To be honest, I haven't read this article, but it realizes everything that I said! Unfortunately, the majority of ME3 fans here don't understand that or don't have the time to think about it.

But what do you think about your ending?


If you haven't read the article how can you have any notion that it "realizes everything I said"? It's just an article stating that the Citadel is bigger(true) and the endings are to quote:"The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." (which is a lie).

Modifié par legion999, 14 mars 2012 - 04:23 .


#9
Alpha revan

Alpha revan
  • Members
  • 61 messages

blah64 wrote...

I've thought about it alot. I didn't get nearly enough closure. I couldn't get passed the plotholes. And at the end of the day, it's not what I was promised. I was promised answers, not more questions.



#10
Danit

Danit
  • Members
  • 99 messages

Maike91 wrote...

blah64 wrote...

I've thought about it alot. I didn't get nearly enough closure. I couldn't get passed the plotholes. And at the end of the day, it's not what I was promised. I was promised answers, not more questions.

Also wtf joker

#11
Mcjon01

Mcjon01
  • Members
  • 537 messages
One of the biggest problems is that MY ending is everybody else's ending, too.

#12
nitefyre410

nitefyre410
  • Members
  • 8 944 messages
That the problem the more I think about it ... the worst it gets...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 14 mars 2012 - 04:27 .


#13
ElectronicPostingInterface

ElectronicPostingInterface
  • Members
  • 3 789 messages
I thought about it, that's why I'm upset. My LI wanted more time with me. Nope, I'm dead. Oh and she's stranded from her homeworld she just won. She will likely starve there with Garrus because of dextro food. The rest of the people I've helped on the Citadel are mostly dead. Worst of all, the whole galaxy is basically on Earth and the krogan without the genophage will basically kill everyone and that's that. The "future" I won for these people never came. The ending was a gut punch.

#14
Asnine112

Asnine112
  • Members
  • 347 messages
The very reason the OP thinks the endings are good (basically he headcanon's everything into place) is why a large number of people are annoyed /' angry / PO'ed.

#15
VegaMendoza

VegaMendoza
  • Members
  • 213 messages
Let me just be blunt and say that I wasn't very keen by having to chose a pre-ordained choice by a magical, underage agent of the Reaper that by the large guaranteed the death billions and the end of civilizations.

It's not "bittersweet" , hell I'd expect this perhaps in WH40k only more logically written.

In the end I refuse to apply these "endings" (yes, all -16- of them, and all the colours as well!) to be relevant for my Cmd. Shepard. He'd most likely punt the little space wizard and find the nearest giant cannon to blow up the Reapers.

#16
Ajwol Semreth

Ajwol Semreth
  • Members
  • 373 messages
I don't mind an ending that would require me to think about it.

However, I would prefer the thought provoking ending to be something that at least make sense within the context of the game world, and something that is executed in a capable and polished manner. Mass Effect 3's ending is neither of those things.

#17
saracen16

saracen16
  • Members
  • 2 283 messages

ziloe wrote...

It's people like you who annoy the hell out of me. Did you even BOTHER playing the other options after? They are identical, minus a few colours!


Do NOT make any ridiculous assumptions if you personally can't debate in a civil manner. FYI, I DID play the other endings and I was left with even more questions. What will Shepard do once he dies as he controls the Reapers? Will the Reapers become a force for good, helping civilizations construct and rebuild, or will they just leave? And what about synthesis: if it is the final evolution of life, how will that change the relationship between the Quarians and the Geth? How will that affect the Quarians if there are no geth around?

If every single plot ending was shown to you, it will leave you not caring about the future of YOUR galaxy. You are the legend, The Shepard, who made this galaxy as a result of your choices. You got YOUR closure with the characters and the races. What I love about this game is that it gives you enough answers and forces you to ask even more questions from your own experience. It's incredible once you think about it.

Speaking of which...

Dranume wrote...

Yet another post implying that the Fan base of ME3 are too dimwitted to figure out the endings. sigh....

There is a big difference in understanding and not liking....


That's not what I said nor what I implied. On the contrary, I believe that you and the rest of this forum are honest BioWare and Mass Effect fans who have different opinions and different views from a game that itself is limitless in scope. Do NOT troll if you can't debate in a civil manner. I put up a topic for debate.

Seriously, I really do think you guys are all honest fans of the Mass Effect universe, and so are the minority - including myself - who liked if not loved the endings. I understand why you're angry and I acknowledge that the ending isn't perfect because it left us with questions. I'm just asking you to see it from a different perspective.

blah64 wrote...




I've thought about it alot. I
didn't get nearly enough closure. I couldn't get passed the plotholes.
And at the end of the day, it's not what I was promised. I was promised
answers, not more questions.


You got answers. Enough of them to understand as to why the galaxy is what it is: the Catalyst is a god-like AI (or even a diety itself?) that controls evolution and dissolution based on a notion that a technological singularity will eventually prove dangerous to organics. You were dissatisfied and you have a right to be, but to be honest, a lot of people - including myself - put too much expectations on the developers to fulfill every single fan's wishes: at the end of the day, at least one fan will be pissed like a red tomato.

Besides, answers can always be fixed with DLC, and I heard that this new DLC which will be released in April or May (and for FREE) will make the ending make more sense if not alter it altogether.

#18
demin8891

demin8891
  • Members
  • 293 messages
>>BioWare promises closure and amazing ending

>>We get a deus ex machina, no closure, and more questions

>> BEST ENDING EVER

I don't follow your logic, OP

#19
saracen16

saracen16
  • Members
  • 2 283 messages

PKchu wrote...

I thought about it, that's why I'm upset. My LI wanted more time with me. Nope, I'm dead. Oh and she's stranded from her homeworld she just won. She will likely starve there with Garrus because of dextro food. The rest of the people I've helped on the Citadel are mostly dead. Worst of all, the whole galaxy is basically on Earth and the krogan without the genophage will basically kill everyone and that's that. The "future" I won for these people never came. The ending was a gut punch.


That's only one possibility. Did you seriously think that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF EVERY SINGLE SPECIES is on Earth? That would be impossible: every race has its own interests to look after, and only their military assets (and only some of them if you look at the War Room interface) make it to the final battle.

Realistically, the whole game was leading you to believe that this fight would be everyone's last, and people would like to hope for the best: after all, they're only human, or organic.

Also, for those who think the ending is in the last 10 minutes, please have a memory longer than that. The whole game IS the ending: the ending of the Krogan-Salarian conflict, the ending of the Quarian-Geth conflict, the ending of Conrad Verner picking on your back and instead going to the Crucible project and FAR AWAY from the Citadel. Hell, all of those guys you helped ended up on the Crucible project, and a few characters like those you haven't met and Armando Bailey died on the Citadel.

#20
Shared

Shared
  • Members
  • 281 messages

saracen16 wrote...

kcitee1 wrote...

Have a look at this...


http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/


To be honest, I haven't read this article, but it realizes everything that I said! Unfortunately, the majority of ME3 fans here don't understand that or don't have the time to think about it.

But what do you think about your ending?


But it dosent make any sense to make the ending the way it is, and ill explain it quite easily. In ME 1, if you buaght DLCs what u did in them had an effect (however small/big) on the next games story. What you did in ME 2 DLCs (ive done them all, they all matter in a big or small way) matter in ME3. Nothing you do in ME3 will carry over to a new shepard game (last shepard game) so they will have no impact in another game. And then the ending, which imo is crap explains nothing, and dont show what any of your decisions mean/do. Now for one thing it makes replayability a problem (after youve managed to get the "breath" scene). And for another thing the DLCs they then release thats not MP will have no impact beyond when you play them. Granted LOTSB was good in its own right, but it was awesome when the events carried over. Now a DLC for ME3 will have zero impact on anything beyond when you do them. Which at least in my case is going to make me not buy them. Theres no point to pay so much money, for a 1-2 hour thing, which has no impact in the future, and gets no explenation. This is in fact what baffels me the most about the ending. Either they have something in store, or i think they shot themselves in the foot so hard its going to be noticed on their revenue.

#21
Fl1xx

Fl1xx
  • Members
  • 366 messages
Answers that raise more questions are not good answers.

#22
ElectronicPostingInterface

ElectronicPostingInterface
  • Members
  • 3 789 messages
"That's only one possibility. Did you seriously think that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF EVERY SINGLE SPECIES is on Earth? That would be impossible: every race has its own interests to look after, and only their military assets (and only some of them if you look at the War Room interface) make it to the final battle."

No, but a lot of people are already dead from the Reapers and all of my friends/allies were there. I mean, what I said is not a possibility. It's happened. Unless something changes in the story that we have no way of gauging or ever seeing, it seems bleak. I'm sure other people still survived but it's hard for me to care for "generic live lived on."

#23
drhys23

drhys23
  • Members
  • 99 messages
i thought my ending was great. i wouldnt want to reload and try another. i'd just have a different play through since i felt the whole game was an ending reacting to all choices in ME and ME2.

#24
Visserian99

Visserian99
  • Members
  • 305 messages
I thought about the ending, thats why I'm so upset. The more I think about it, the more horrifying it is. With the mass relay system destroyed, all galaxy is isolated. The galaxy I spent ALL GAME UNITING is isolated.

The turians and quarians on earth, starve to death due to lack of food. Krogans will take over earth in a war over diminishing resources. Large ultra-urban worlds like Illium, will starve to death. Stations out in the middle of nowhere like Omega, will starve to death.

I have to live with the knowledge that Joker and the crew of the Normandy, in the most important battle in history, deserted their posts and fled combat.

I know that Shepard, the person who has made it a habit of making difficult decisions and snatching victory and hope out of the jaws of the impossible, rolls over and accepts the shattered logic of his worst enemy.

I have thought of the ending, I think it would have been better to just let the Reapers win outright, at least everyone's death would be quicker.

Modifié par Visserian99, 14 mars 2012 - 05:04 .


#25
wright1978

wright1978
  • Members
  • 8 116 messages
Well you are entitled to your opinion. Personally the gamefront article sums up exactly everything that is awful about the ending as far as i'm concerned.

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/