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[Traestus]

saracen16 wrote...


I'll let this slide since there was sufficient time for Joker to pick up everyone he could from Earth.

Except this would be hillariously out of character for Joker. Hell in 2 you died saving him because he refused to let the ship go down. Do you think in the single most important battle EVER he'd randomly abandon the fight to grab your dead squadmates and book it to the relay out by pluto, and jump into Mass Transit before you even make your choice?

Also, in my playthrough the shuttle was shot down and Cortez was dead, so there was no shuttle to pick them up. My squadmates Garrus and Liara were lying on the path to the beam, then after the Normandy randomly decides that it needs a pizza from Tuchanka mid fight, it dodges Harbringer who was literally chilling right there going "Wassup I just lazered your ass" it picks Garrus and Liara up somehow. Everyone on the ship clearly was like "Well shepard made it too the beam time for pizza." So they bounce clearly ditching everyone. I'm sure Hackett was on the QTC going "Omg bring me cinnnastiiiiiicks" as they jumped into the Charon relay. Meanwhile my shepard was busy doing his damn job so in the middle of Mass transit Joker crashes on some unknown planet and out step Garrus and Liara thinking "WTF this isn't dominoes."

Yeah explain my ending to me.

[pavi132]

saracen16 wrote...

pavi132 wrote...

It's fine if you like the endings, but don't be condescending about it and imply that we didn't think about our endings enough. We thought through our endings plenty, maybe even too much. Many of us just disagree with you on the quality of them.

I'm not being condescending. I'm just asking you to see things differently. You want me to be convinced by your arguments, don't troll me but instead say something that damn well convinces me that I am wrong. Up till now, I have seen nothing in this thread.

Nah, know what? After reading some of your other posts all I see is you acting like you are better than others in terms of your viewpoint and telling them to see it from your viewpoint while at the same time refusing to look at it from another's. 

I have seen it from other viewpoints, and I am personally not convinced that the ending is just a series of colored lights, that it's not a plot hole but rather a mystery. I have made my arguments. I can see why people think that the endings suck but I disagree with them.

You ARE being condescending. Maybe you don't even realize it or maybe you are purposefully doing it, I don't know. You can make your points without throwing jabs at people like "THINK about YOUR ending for a change" implying that others haven't and "Try wrapping your head around that" , and if ANYONE calls you out on it you immediately assume that they are a troll. Seriously man, get over yourself.

[Arppis]

There could have been more answers.

But I liked the endings too. They weren't as bad as people made them out to be. The endings are left open for purpose, so people can use their own imagination of what happened.

[Arppis]

Traestus wrote...

saracen16 wrote...


I'll let this slide since there was sufficient time for Joker to pick up everyone he could from Earth.

Except this would be hillariously out of character for Joker. Hell in 2 you died saving him because he refused to let the ship go down. Do you think in the single most important battle EVER he'd randomly abandon the fight to grab your dead squadmates and book it to the relay out by pluto, and jump into Mass Transit before you even make your choice?

So it's out of character for him to try to save the ship he was trying to save in the second game? You do remember he did fly away from the Collector ship too. No, people got this wrong all the time.

He was indeed trying to save the ship.

[Ruone]

It wasnt a troll question im serious, shouldnt the ending footage reflect the choice you made? if you cant see it from that havent they failed at completing the story

[bytemarks]

Traestus wrote...

saracen16 wrote...


I'll let this slide since there was sufficient time for Joker to pick up everyone he could from Earth.

Except this would be hillariously out of character for Joker. Hell in 2 you died saving him because he refused to let the ship go down. Do you think in the single most important battle EVER he'd randomly abandon the fight to grab your dead squadmates and book it to the relay out by pluto, and jump into Mass Transit before you even make your choice?

Also, in my playthrough the shuttle was shot down and Cortez was dead, so there was no shuttle to pick them up. My squadmates Garrus and Liara were lying on the path to the beam, then after the Normandy randomly decides that it needs a pizza from Tuchanka mid fight, it dodges Harbringer who was literally chilling right there going "Wassup I just lazered your ass" it picks Garrus and Liara up somehow. Everyone on the ship clearly was like "Well shepard made it too the beam time for pizza." So they bounce clearly ditching everyone. I'm sure Hackett was on the QTC going "Omg bring me cinnnastiiiiiicks" as they jumped into the Charon relay. Meanwhile my shepard was busy doing his damn job so in the middle of Mass transit Joker crashes on some unknown planet and out step Garrus and Liara thinking "WTF this isn't dominoes."

Yeah explain my ending to me.

The best pilot in the alliance recieves a distress call from his friends, he's damn well making an emergency trip to pick them up. The Normandy has plenty of crew members and an extra shuttle to boot. When the crucible fires, ships start falling out of the sky - you're damn right he's going to book it to that mass relay and GTFO of there.

Modifié par bytemarks, 14 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[Leafs43]

All the endings are identical except small cosmetic differences.

So my ending is the ending everyone else got.

[saracen16]

bytemarks wrote...

I hate how everyone's response to the ending is to link to an article talking about the ending. Form your own opinions. Indoctrination is the first thing I thought of when the end sequence started so that's what I believe happened. You're entitled to your opinions, and you can't tell me mine is wrong.

This! I don't want someone else's ending being forced upon me, especially if that someone else is a disgruntled fan.

[Walrusninja]

I havn't stopped thinking about it. It's still a load of bs that makes no sense.

[saracen16]

The good thing about this game is that it's not forcing someone else's endings... not yours, not mine, and not even the developers.. down your throat. You're the one left to compute what just happened.

And that is a more powerful experience than any other.

[saracen16]

Walrusninja wrote...

I havn't stopped thinking about it. It's still a load of bs that makes no sense.

What would you rather have?

[BaladasDemnevanni]

saracen16 wrote...


He's the Catalyst. We were told that there is a Catalyst, but we were also told that the master of the Reapers is a presence that is inferred. That's the mystery. The kid was controlling the Reapers but he wasn't controlling the relay. The Keepers were. See how we just opened up a debate? I like this... Anyways, he himself stated that the creator will always rebel against the creator, and therefore believed that this life should be preserved in Reaper form, to allow other races to continue. Remember what Vendetta said? There are patterns. This starchild is playing God. Hell, we don't know if he even IS a starchild, an AI, or a God. That makes it interesting. He realize s that his solution is wrong because the organics have found out his plans and have mounted resistance.

No, it makes it bad story-telling and it's pretty funny that you can't see why. When the character's actions hinge on a presence he doesn't understand, that's bad form. Shepard spends his entire career asking questions and fighting the Reapers in whatever manner he has to. Then he gobbles up everything this DXM says without conflict.

You can justify any plothole with "See? It brings up debate". It doesn't stop the story being terrible.

[Aduro]

Main reasons the ending was disappointing for me can be summed up with three things:

1) We were lied to. http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png

2) Too many questions and non satisfying ending that effectively negates our previous choices. (summarized roughly here: ) If you don't wanna enter the link, here's an example: The Quarians are stuck ~90,000 light years from the homeworld they JUST got back. The major races are stranded on Earth with neither the resources or fuel to get back. I'm left thinking that they will kill each other for resouces or dominance near Earth, or maybe starve to death, or maybe they might just be able to find enough fuel along the way to get back home over the couple decade long journeys... If you can debate whether it is possible they can get back, then the ending wasn't clear enough...

3) illogical speech of the god-child.(Found somewhere else:)
-"We will destroy you because if we don't a race of sentient machines will destroy you."
-"You're a race of sentient machines trying to destroy us."
-"..."
-"Also, some of my best friends are AIs".
-"I..."
-"And a race of sentient machines called the Geth are fighting with us against you RIGHT NOW, and are helping an organic race rebuild their homeworld."
-"Yes but..."
-"Plus if ANOTHER race of sentient machines tried to destroy us, couldn't you guys defend us, instead of going all genocidal on our asses?"
-"..."
-"What's that piece of paper you keep shaking on my face, anyways?"
-"The script. It says you're ****ed."


Those are my main annoyances with the ending Though, I respect that you enjoyed it - jelous even. I want to be able to like it, I really really do T_T.

[bytemarks]

Aduro wrote...

Main reasons the ending was disappointing for me can be summed up with three things:

1) We were lied to. http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png

2) Too many questions and non satisfying ending that effectively negates our previous choices. (summarized roughly here: ) If you don't wanna enter the link, here's an example: The Quarians are stuck ~90,000 light years from the homeworld they JUST got back. The major races are stranded on Earth with neither the resources or fuel to get back. I'm left thinking that they will kill each other for resouces or dominance near Earth, or maybe starve to death, or maybe they might just be able to find enough fuel along the way to get back home over the couple decade long journeys... If you can debate whether it is possible they can get back, then the ending wasn't clear enough...

3) illogical speech of the god-child.(Found somewhere else:)
-"We will destroy you because if we don't a race of sentient machines will destroy you."
-"You're a race of sentient machines trying to destroy us."
-"..."
-"Also, some of my best friends are AIs".
-"I..."
-"And a race of sentient machines called the Geth are fighting with us against you RIGHT NOW, and are helping an organic race rebuild their homeworld."
-"Yes but..."
-"Plus if ANOTHER race of sentient machines tried to destroy us, couldn't you guys defend us, instead of going all genocidal on our asses?"
-"..."
-"What's that piece of paper you keep shaking on my face, anyways?"
-"The script. It says you're ****ed."


Those are my main annoyances with the ending Though, I respect that you enjoyed it - jelous even. I want to be able to like it, I really really do T_T.

All the more reason I think he was indoctrinated. You're telling me this suberbly written game falls apart at the end? The most important part? It seems way too intentional. You can say it wasn't, but I'll say it was. 

Modifié par bytemarks, 14 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[Traestus]

bytemarks wrote...

Traestus wrote...

saracen16 wrote...


I'll let this slide since there was sufficient time for Joker to pick up everyone he could from Earth.

Except this would be hillariously out of character for Joker. Hell in 2 you died saving him because he refused to let the ship go down. Do you think in the single most important battle EVER he'd randomly abandon the fight to grab your dead squadmates and book it to the relay out by pluto, and jump into Mass Transit before you even make your choice?

Also, in my playthrough the shuttle was shot down and Cortez was dead, so there was no shuttle to pick them up. My squadmates Garrus and Liara were lying on the path to the beam, then after the Normandy randomly decides that it needs a pizza from Tuchanka mid fight, it dodges Harbringer who was literally chilling right there going "Wassup I just lazered your ass" it picks Garrus and Liara up somehow. Everyone on the ship clearly was like "Well shepard made it too the beam time for pizza." So they bounce clearly ditching everyone. I'm sure Hackett was on the QTC going "Omg bring me cinnnastiiiiiicks" as they jumped into the Charon relay. Meanwhile my shepard was busy doing his damn job so in the middle of Mass transit Joker crashes on some unknown planet and out step Garrus and Liara thinking "WTF this isn't dominoes."

Yeah explain my ending to me.

The best pilot in the alliance recieves a distress call from his friends, he's damn well making an emergency trip to pick them up. The normany has plenty of crew members and an extra shuttle to boot. Crucible fires, ships start falling out of the sky - you're damn right I'm booking it to that mass relay to GTFO.

Except that the ship was moving through the mass relay BEFORE the energy from the Crucible was discharged. Its pretty clearly implied in the cutscene that the Normandy was in Mass Transit when the crucible went off. Considering the Normandy was at earth originally and was clearly still there as evidenced by the fact that it picked up Garrus and Liara somehow. It had time, in the amount of time that it took me to go up the beam and do that, which assuming game time roughly correlates to real time I'd say it seems it couldn't be more than 30 minutes certainly no more than an hour.

1. Garrus and Liara would wake up, see that I'm not there and radio a distress call and just sit there rather than heading into the beam. Remember there's a radio call that says everyone is dead right when you wake up. The only way joker could know is if they contcted him themselves. Which means they would wake up and just be like "nah we're not going into the beam"

2. Joker would get the call from them decide, Protocol and Shepard be dammed. My friends are acting crazy and have decided to abadon the mission for some reason, I better make a suicide run down there because they asked me.

3.Come down from the giant space battle and resuce my squadmates from literally in front of a reaper.

4. Get away from the battle, ignore all of the people and officals screaming at him to return to his post, have my crew be randomly okay with considering not hours earlier we had gone over how we're all willing to fight to the end no matter what and make it all the way to past Pluto to the Charon relay so that they can be mid jump when the energy is discharged.


And I'm supposed to infer all this and be okay with it, with zero explination from the game?

[Walrusninja]

Well saracen, anything that made even a little sense would be nice. I can think of a million possibilities and would like to have been able to simply respect their artistic license as ever, but the ending they chose was appalling.

[Wowlock]

Problem = This ending had nothing to do with the Plots and themes of the Mass Effect we know.

It is a sad soap opera scenario where the ones who play only use the names of the characters in Mass Effect.

I cannot comprehend how you can accept a God-like AI to come out in the last moments of the series and basicly says '' screw you , we are right and we win '' and consider this is as a great ending ?

And no, if I would've tried to come up with ''what happened '' at the end after the stupid scenes, I wouldn't even buy the game in the first place... What is the point if I can just imagine everything to my liking without buying the damn game ?

No matter what you can say won't justify the Lies that has been spread Pre-release. This is not Mass Effect's ending...this is a different game's ending with the names of Mass Effect character's being used.

[garf]

saracen16 wrote...

See beyond the last 10 minutes of the game and you'll realize that this trilogy is the best out there.

now You're talking down to us.

See beyond your own happiness with the game and you'll realize that Bioware utterly betrayed us.

except the above in my case was hyperbole meant to reflect your egocentric statement back at you. Your entitled to believe it's the greatest ending ever. I'm entitled to disagree.

[Aduro]

bytemarks wrote...

Aduro wrote...

Main reasons the ending was disappointing for me can be summed up with three things:

1) We were lied to. http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png

2) Too many questions and non satisfying ending that effectively negates our previous choices. (summarized roughly here: ) If you don't wanna enter the link, here's an example: The Quarians are stuck ~90,000 light years from the homeworld they JUST got back. The major races are stranded on Earth with neither the resources or fuel to get back. I'm left thinking that they will kill each other for resouces or dominance near Earth, or maybe starve to death, or maybe they might just be able to find enough fuel along the way to get back home over the couple decade long journeys... If you can debate whether it is possible they can get back, then the ending wasn't clear enough...

3) illogical speech of the god-child.(Found somewhere else:)
-"We will destroy you because if we don't a race of sentient machines will destroy you."
-"You're a race of sentient machines trying to destroy us."
-"..."
-"Also, some of my best friends are AIs".
-"I..."
-"And a race of sentient machines called the Geth are fighting with us against you RIGHT NOW, and are helping an organic race rebuild their homeworld."
-"Yes but..."
-"Plus if ANOTHER race of sentient machines tried to destroy us, couldn't you guys defend us, instead of going all genocidal on our asses?"
-"..."
-"What's that piece of paper you keep shaking on my face, anyways?"
-"The script. It says you're ****ed."


Those are my main annoyances with the ending Though, I respect that you enjoyed it - jelous even. I want to be able to like it, I really really do T_T.

All the more reason I think he was indoctrinated. You're telling me this suberbly written game falls apart at the end? The most important part? It seems way too intentional. You can say it wasn't, but I'll say it was. 

I never stted that any of this went against the indoctrination theory O_o. Look at my sig, I fully support it Only way I can make sense of the ending XD. The only part of the indoctrination theory that seems odd to me is that it is an aweful business idea - the current state has lost lots of customers, even with future ending DLC it's unlikely this would recover them all.

[teknoarcanist]

See that "3" after the title? Yeah. I don't WANT questions raised. I EXPECTED questions ANSWERED.

[Asnine112]

saracen16 wrote...

The good thing about this game is that it's not forcing someone else's endings... not yours, not mine, and not even the developers.. down your throat. You're the one left to compute what just happened.

And that is a more powerful experience than any other.

ROFL

So why even have ME3? ****, I could've just made up my own entire ME3 and it would, in your retarded argument, be better than having a ME3.



Stupidity confirmed.

[robarcool]

OP, you will have your hands full explaining everyone's ending to them, especially with the junk we got as the ending.

[RebelByDesign]

Traestus wrote...

saracen16 wrote...


I'll let this slide since there was sufficient time for Joker to pick up everyone he could from Earth.

Except this would be hillariously out of character for Joker. Hell in 2 you died saving him because he refused to let the ship go down. Do you think in the single most important battle EVER he'd randomly abandon the fight to grab your dead squadmates and book it to the relay out by pluto, and jump into Mass Transit before you even make your choice?

Yep. I know we keep focusing on Joker and rightfully so but whatever happens to the squadmates that run to the beam with you is potentially WAY out of character too. What the hell happens to them? Excluding the low EMS playthrough where you can see they've been killed, they're nowhere to be seen. Are we supposed to think they're down/unconscious/injured? They're clearly not near the beam. If so, they can't have seen Shepard or Anderson get up and get to the Citadel. Surely even if Shepard was killed they wouldn't just give up the battle of their lives, and any ending where they exit the Normandy (both squadmates in my playthrough) shows they aren't significantly hurt in any way. Of course, people have already questioned at length how the hell they even get back to the Normandy, because as I understand it whether Steve survives or not the shuttle is damaged beyond use. So what gives?

O logic, where art thou?

Modifié par RebelByDesign, 14 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[bytemarks]

Asnine112 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The good thing about this game is that it's not forcing someone else's endings... not yours, not mine, and not even the developers.. down your throat. You're the one left to compute what just happened.

And that is a more powerful experience than any other.

ROFL

So why even have ME3? ****, I could've just made up my own entire ME3 and it would, in your retarded argument, be better than having a ME3.



Stupidity confirmed.

So the journey to the ending meant nothing to you? The ending is all you cared about? If that's the case, just read the books.

Modifié par bytemarks, 14 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[saracen16]

Wowlock wrote...

Problem = This ending had nothing to do with the Plots and themes of the Mass Effect we know.

I disagree: it summed up the central plot quite nicely and succinctly. It couldn't go through every single subplot. The game didn't hold our own hands for a reason.

It is a sad soap opera scenario where the ones who play only use the names of the characters in Mass Effect.

Clarify.

I cannot comprehend how you can accept a God-like AI to come out in the last moments of the series and basicly says '' screw you , we are right and we win '' and consider this is as a great ending ?

That's not what happened. The Catalyst realized that the fact that you as an organic standing in its presence means that its solution needs to be revised, and that the Crucible opened new possibilities.

And no, if I would've tried to come up with ''what happened '' at the end after the stupid scenes, I wouldn't even buy the game in the first place... What is the point if I can just imagine everything to my liking without buying the damn game ?

Because you saw the effect of your choices in ME3: the saving of the Krogan or the extinction of the Quarians, to name a few possibilities. You know that not all the races in their entirety fled to Earth to fight, but only the militaries did, and even then, it's only the assets that YOU personally called.

No matter what you can say won't justify the Lies that has been spread Pre-release. This is not Mass Effect's ending...this is a different game's ending with the names of Mass Effect character's being used.

I disagree. I don't feel betrayed because I don't go in with expectations. I go into the next game as the Shepard that came out of the Collector base ordeal. That makes the game more exciting. All the characters got their closure as humanly as possible: Shepard can only do so much, and after death, God knows what will happen to them. Maybe Shepard lives or he/she dies. We don't know. This ending isn't like the ending of other games. It forced me to think about it rather than accept it at face value. I'm not saying that you're wrong for doing otherwise. I'm just relaying my personal experience.