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[VirtualAlex]

Luc0s wrote...

How the hell is ending a trilogy with more questions than answers a good thing? Are you indoctrinated OP?

You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

[Ferretinabun]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

How the hell is ending a trilogy with more questions than answers a good thing? Are you indoctrinated OP?

You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

Well we CAN. But isn't that just covering the scriptwriters' asses for them?

I have to say I do quite like the Indoc Theory. It does actually make considerable more sense (mostly because odd anomalies can be parcelled off under 'It's a hallucination, it doesn't have to make sense'). But I can't shake the feeling this is just a popular fan-theory to make sense of an actually rather bizarre ending.

1. What exactly is the Normandy scene meant to represent if the Indoc Theory was true? The TIM and Anderson scene and the god-child bit I can understand, but what is the purpose of Joker and friends crashing on an alien paradise planet?

2. I am taking the 'Shep breath' moment as the strongest piece of evidence in the Indoc Theory's favour right now. And you only get it if you do the destruction ending. In the synthesis and control endings there is no comparable moment which indicates everything from the London rubble onwards may have taken place in Shep's unconscious mind. Which kinda means players who took the control or synthesis endings are not given this reveal. They are never made to know they took the 'wrong' choice. If the big plot reveal is only given to players who made a certain choice then that's poor writing right there.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 15 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[LegendaryBlade]

saracen16 wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...
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You were told this, you were told that... You believe these marketing plots disguised as promises too much, don't you?

OP, I give up. You took a several paragraph long post and nitpicked a single part of it. Infact,i've been reading your posts in this thread, and thats what you responses have devolved in to. Nitpicking and insults. You can't really account for the plot holes, consistency errors, or writing flaws. Good day to you sir.

I SAID GOOD DAY

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 15 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[rpgfan321]

I would have been satisfied with the ending (a bit more) if I had not seen that cutscene with the Normandy flying away, left stranded on a jungle planet. Other than that, I would have been satisfied with Shepard dying (for me anyway).

But I believe despite what the ending has presented itself, Mass Effect 3 is a great game. It did improve on it's predecessor on cinematics, gameplay, audio, and art design. Besides, apart from the main quests, some of the conversations which Shepard could side on (remember the one at the hospital about Mr. Huerta?) were actual relevant to today. I won't go further about that, however, those kind of situations do call the player's ethnics or beliefs into play. Or the ambient chatters found on the citadel and the level of emotional attachment the player can gain. Like the Asari PTSD patient.

Anyway, the ending opened up to a lot of unanswered questions, majority of them unsatisfying for me, but I still enjoyed the game regardless.

[moater boat]

I don't want more questions and what-ifs and maybes. I want answers and conclusions and certainty. That is the point of experiencing someone else's story. I don't stop right before the end of the book and try and think of every possible ending and then say, well that was nice. If that was a good thing, then stopping half way through and getting even more options would be better, and the best option would be to just sit in a dark room and whisper stories to myself.

[Big I]

moater boat wrote...
I don't want more questions and what-ifs and maybes. I want answers and conclusions and certainty. That is the point of experiencing someone else's story. I don't stop right before the end of the book and try and think of every possible ending and then say, well that was nice. If that was a good thing, then stopping half way through and getting even more options would be better, and the best option would be to just sit in a dark room and whisper stories to myself.

This. I'd also like to say that I didn't want the ending of the trilogy to be a choice between "Shepard dies after wiping out his geth allies" or "and then Shepard was the Reapers", followed by "and then civilisation collapsed and everyone was stuck on Earth, except the Normandy because it crashed on Gilligan's Planet."

[Dragoni89]

Stop trolling op. Your saying you like the ending but you basically said screw the ending, the other content like the geth and quarian problem got solved which actually the closer. BUT Yet the ending negates what happens with genophage and quarians. So in end why your posting the ending was good and you liked. When in your post your saying. The middle is great, ignore bioware promises ( which mean ignore or screw the ending). If you notice at all, your asking your self more question than what you are getting answered from your post.

I think people already thought enough about the endings, its bad.

Pro-enders can't come up with remotely decent reasons why the ending was good cause their just to many holes to pick and the ending just too poor for 3 part triligoy.

Modifié par Dragoni89, 24 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[fafnir magnus]

A grand finale to a full series SHOULD NOT REQUIRE FURTHER SPECULATION. the trilogy is over. setting up mass effect 4 is a stupid marketing gimmick. unacceptable. speculation would have been fine if this were mass effect 1 or mass effect 2. it is not. The actual ending was about as close to plaguarism as you get in the video games industry.

[sargon1986]

"and the game's possible endings will be far more varied"

Yeah, so much for your sophisticated, varied endings. No dude - the endings sucked big time.

[Ultra Prism]

he fell for the LOTS OF SPECULATION trap .... seriously I just wanted to be done with story in manner I could tell everyone how aamzing it was .... instead ... so whatever you do blows up the mass relays without any explanation .... infrastructure gone so is mass effect as its was all about MASS RELAY TECHNOLOGIES .... I just wanted happier ending, as hero defeat your foe and live peacefully .... not being forced to death seriously....

[RShara]

saracen16: I'd like to have you read this post Thematic Breakdown and hear your thoughts on the matter.

Modifié par RShara, 24 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Utopianus]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

How the hell is ending a trilogy with more questions than answers a good thing? Are you indoctrinated OP?

You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

I think the problem is that most of us pay to experience the different endings and have most, if not all our questions answered. We did not pay to experience what felt like just 1 ending (rightly or wrongly, another debate), and elements of that ending generating alot more questions than is answered and we were then told to "speculate". If we want to "speculate" we could've done away with the whole game altogether and write fanfiction and not pay for anything.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Mcjon01 wrote...

One of the biggest problems is that MY ending is everybody else's ending, too.

[wtbusername]

Good post.

I agree.

[jcmccorm]

saracen16 wrote...THINK about YOUR ending for a change, and then post your interpretation here...[/b] please.

I didn't know I had to pay super-attention to which physical item was tied to which ending choice. So once the auto-dialog was over, I had no way of knowing which option was which. So I did the center synthesis thing which I did remember. It was absolutely awful to impose my will on all life in the Galaxy, much less with not even having considered the option in the entire game until I got a brief presentation on the idea that was less than 1 minute long.

I imposed my uninformed decision on the galaxy because I didn't know WTF was going on. My Shepard was immoral and stupid. I didn't fight for anything better. How was your ending?

[TheGreenAlloy]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

How the hell is ending a trilogy with more questions than answers a good thing? Are you indoctrinated OP?

You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

What? Are you intoxicated? How about BioWare leave out huge chunks of the story in their next games, and just tell us to fill it in ourselves? You'd like that?

[FatalX7.0]

The end of a trilogy, a story, a character. When there are no more games following this story, it shouldn't end so openly.

Mass Effect is about choices and consequences, the end should be definitive.

[FatalX7.0]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

How the hell is ending a trilogy with more questions than answers a good thing? Are you indoctrinated OP?

You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

What? Are you indoctrinated? How about BioWare leave out huge chunks of the story in their next games, and just tell us to fill it in ourselves? You'd like that?

Fixed.

[ediskrad327]

ok, reapers destroyed, Shepard builds Tali a home in Rannoch. those last 10 minutes never happened

[DJBare]

VirtualAlex wrote...
You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

Thank you for that advice, I will be saving money in future by relying purely on my imagination, when DAIII comes out, and maybe possibly ME4, I will imagine them instead of purchasing them, after all, I've got the rest of the series to build my imagination on.

[Luzarius]

saracen16 wrote...

This is just my opinion. I LOVED the endings. I thought they were amazing. Why is that? Because they raise many questions. All the races got enough closure: the Krogans were cured of the genophage, and the Quarians and the Geth made peace, etc. I'll use some examples...

- Is Shepard indoctrinated near the end? The dream sequence and the all-too-familiar appearance of the Catalyst leads me to think that is a great possibility. It makes me think that the Reapers are really and truly godly-unstoppable, and can therefore not be destroyed, and all what we've seen afterwards... was an illusion. But maybe only the Catalyst appearing as a boy was an illusion, and everything else was real.

- The Reapers were the good guys? See, that's what scares me: the Catalyst and the Reapers believe that they are doing the best for organic species by preserving them and preventing them from being annihilated by the synthetics they create, in the process most likely destroying the synthetics as well as their masters. Suddenly, Saren doesn't sound like a raving, deluded fanatic, but a savior of organic species... albeit not in the way that most organics want. This pattern is something the Catalyst created, through the construction of the mass relays. Remember what Vendetta said: the universe has seen this cycle repeat itself in the same patterns of evolution and the same valleys of dissolution (something that isn't merely by chance). What if the Reapers and the Catalyst were gods who repeated these things? What if there are larger forces at play that are manipulating how people believe in religion and the like? Notice the similarities between the Asari-Prothean and Salarian-Krogan relationships? Notice anything between the Prothean AI's who rebelled and the Quarian-Geth conflict?

- Was the galaxy saved or destroyed? I thought at once that because the mass relays were destroyed, that meant all solar systems were, too. But they weren't rammed by asteroids. They got destroyed AFTER they POWERED UP and PROPELLED the Crucible transmission to another solar system, a self-propagating chain that was broken as you went along it. The energy stored in the mass relay was used to propel the dissipated Crucible signals arriving at the next solar systems, and after propelling this UNQUANTIFIABLE energy, it shatters in the process, most likely sparing the solar systems as a result. Even scarier is what happens afterwards. Will the Krogans go to war against the Salarians if you cured the genophage? What will Quarian life be like without the Geth and vice-versa? Better yet, what will Quarian life be like when all synthetics are DESTROYED? What will Quarians do without the geth ON RANNOCH? With the Citadel council no more, and space travel a myth, how will my Shepard be remembered by the races of the galaxy?

BioWare hasn't broken any promises: they've given us closure on most if not all of the issues during the game. Even if they did... SCREW THEIR PROMISES. They gave us an amazing game regardless of what they promised. I played the game with zero expectations and was satisfied to find that the lore and all the plot details were satisfied. Mass Effect 3 in its entirety was THE END. We saw what happened to the Krogans after we cured the genophage: Eve got pregnant. We saw what happened to the Quarians after they embraced the Geth: some geth uploaded themselves into Quarian hardsuits to allow the Quarians to better adjust to Rannoch. That's the best closure I can get from MY perspective as Shepard. I didn't expect that I would make it out of this fight alive.

This experience has been one of the most personal, and the trilogy left me with a lot of questions. As such, it means that I will never forget it because these are things that stick to my mind. If I knew what happened to the krogans afterwards, I'd just nod then forget about it. I've got the closure I wanted, and was left with even more questions. I wasn't aggravated by the game. I was aggravated IN it: the world gave me the same reaction as Deus Ex did with its cast of characters. Why should BioWare give us a run-of-the-mill PowerPoint presentation? I don't want to be able to wrap my head around something that is galactic in its scope. I'm only human, and my story is done. What happens to the rest of the galaxy is up to the rest of the species, and only my imagination limits the possibilities.

THINK about YOUR ending for a change, and then post your interpretation here... please.

Good to see someone else who understood and enjoyed the ending.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[Mcfly616]

The problem is that everybody got the same ending lol

Seriously that is unfathomable for this franchise....

Your decisions are supposed to decide the outcome! For example:

ME2's Suicide Mission....your decisions decide the fate of your squadmates.....losing any number of your teammates leads to many varying endings....Casey said himself, that this would be implemented in ME3 with even more variations....

That never happens....we all get the same 3 stupid choices at the end which only decide what color fireworks we get.....


So Choice was an Illusion this whole time....or as I like to say, a lie....

And I didnt even mention the plotholes yet....

Unless this isn't the real ending....the last 10 minutes is a disgrace to everything Bioware created in this universe previously....and to Shepard himself.....if this is the real end, they did Shep dirty....its just wrong

None of your decisions matter....

This is not about a happy ending....this is about 1 ending

[TheGreenAlloy]

DJBare wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...
You can answer all the questions with your imagination.

Thank you for that advice, I will be saving money in future by relying purely on my imagination, when DAIII comes out, and maybe possibly ME4, I will imagine them instead of purchasing them, after all, I've got the rest of the series to build my imagination on.

[Hatchetman77]

I fully expected Shepard to die in the end and quite honestly I would have been dissapointed if he didn't.  I liked that feeling of going into the eye of the hurricane and knowing youy wouldn't be comming out the other side.  What I wanted though was an ending that reflected what I accomplished.  Geth and Quarians living in peace on the same world.  Krogran finding their place in the galaxy. Mabey a glimpse of a pregnant Ashley with a child conceived during her and Shepard's last night together.  I wanted an ending that life went on after this horrible tragady, same as it was before but slightly different because of Shepard.  

What I didn't want is for Shepard to basically become Saren and only choose the options that the machines (or more specifically the machine god) gave him.  At least Saren had the balls at the end to realize that it was a bad deal and chose to defy the options the machines gave him by killing himself (at least he did in my playthrough).  Shepard didn't even do that.  He just went along and said "ok god child".  No act of defiance whatsoever.  When crunch time came he just rolled over for the machines and did what he was told.  I find it hard to find a satisfying ending for a protagonist who fights with every essence of his being for 2.9 games then folds like a deck of cards at the end, with all of the changes he personally brought about in the universe being completly erased.

Modifié par Hatchetman77, 25 mars 2012 - 06:55 .