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[TheGreenAlloy]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

I fully expected Shepard to die in the end and quite honestly I would have been dissapointed if he didn't.  I liked that feeling of going into the eye of the hurricane and knowing youy wouldn't be comming out the other side.  What I wanted though was an ending that reflected what I accomplished.  Geth and Quarians living in peace on the same world.  Krogran finding their place in the galaxy. Mabey a glimpse of a pregnant Ashley with a child conceived during her and Shepard's last night together.  I wanted an ending that life went on after this horrible tragady, same as it was before but slightly different because of Shepard.  

What I didn't want is for Shepard to basically become Saren and only choose the options that the machines (or more specifically the machine god) gave him.  At least Saren had the balls at the end to realize that it was a bad deal and chose to defy the options the machines gave him by killing himself (at least he did in my playthrough).  Shepard didn't even do that.  He just went along and said "ok god child".  No act of defiance whatsoever.  When crunch time came he just rolled over for the machines and did what he was told.  I find it hard to find a satisfying ending for a protagonist who fights with every essence of his being for 2.9 games then folds like a deck of cards at the end, with all of the changes he personally brought about in the universe being completly erased.

More like 2.99 games, my Insanity playthrough of ME3 was 50 hours long.

[aliengmr1]

Asnine112 wrote...

The very reason the OP thinks the endings are good (basically he headcanon's everything into place) is why a large number of people are annoyed /' angry / PO'ed.

this^

People look at the ending in very different ways. You can't "convince" either side to agree. Where I see complete stupidity others see genious.

IMHO its why the ending was fail. Instead of considering many views they chose a single ending knowing it leave some of the fans upset. In any other game this would not be a problem but this is ME, and the very idea of it was doomed from the start.

[JulienJaden]

saracen16 wrote...

kcitee1 wrote...

Have a look at this...


http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

To be honest, I haven't read this article, but it realizes everything that I said! Unfortunately, the majority of ME3 fans here don't understand that or don't have the time to think about it.

But what do you think about your ending?

I understood. I thought about it. And it's still nowhere near enough. All of that, all these things you do, like curing the genophage or making peace between the Quarians and Geth possible, only set the stage. They aren't conclusions. Yes, one can 'think' about what would happen next, but actually, it's BioWare's job to hint at what may happen in the future and what's the consequence of our actions. Leaving things as they are, especially with plot holes such as these, makes them look extremely lazy.
It's as if I finished one of my stories with an M. Night Shyamalan twist and than wrote "Now go figure out what happens afterwards yourself - I'm out" below.

I think the same goes for the majority of us: We all thought about it and understood that there's nothing artistic about a badly executed ending that would make every publisher's editor cringe upon reading (Which is not meant as an insult - as I said before, everyone who likes the ending and doesn't offend us for thinking it's really bad is luckier than us because you actually got what you wanted).

Also, you should have really read the article, cause it says to opposite of what you're trying to say. It's that interview where Hudson promised more endings than "A, B and C" (on a sidenote: The Citadel was much smaller than in ME1, so, thanks for that, Casey - maybe people are right and he really is the new Peter Molyneux).

[TheGreenAlloy]

JulienJaden wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

kcitee1 wrote...

Have a look at this...


http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

To be honest, I haven't read this article, but it realizes everything that I said! Unfortunately, the majority of ME3 fans here don't understand that or don't have the time to think about it.

But what do you think about your ending?

I understood. I thought about it. And it's still nowhere near enough. All of that, all these things you do, like curing the genophage or making peace between the Quarians and Geth possible, only set the stage. They aren't conclusions. Yes, one can 'think' about what would happen next, but actually, it's BioWare's job to hint at what may happen in the future and what's the consequence of our actions. Leaving things as they are, especially with plot holes such as these, makes them look extremely lazy.
It's as if I finished one of my stories with an M. Night Shyamalan twist and than wrote "Now go figure out what happens afterwards yourself - I'm out" below.

I think the same goes for the majority of us: We all thought about it and understood that there's nothing artistic about a badly executed ending that would make every publisher's editor cringe upon reading (Which is not meant as an insult - as I said before, everyone who likes the ending and doesn't offend us for thinking it's really bad is luckier than us because you actually got what you wanted).

Also, you should have really read the article, cause it says to opposite of what you're trying to say. It's that interview where Hudson promised more endings than "A, B and C" (on a sidenote: The Citadel was much smaller than in ME1, so, thanks for that, Casey - maybe people are right and he really is the new Peter Molyneux).

I second that. If the Indoctrination Theory is true, Casey will have redeemed himself. If not, he's a Molyneux.

[AnttiV]

saracen16 wrote...

BioWare hasn't broken any promises: they've given us closure on most if not all of the issues during the game.

saracen16 wrote... 
To be honest, I haven't read this article, but it realizes everything that I said! Unfortunately, the majority of ME3 fans here don't understand that or don't have the time to think about it.

But what do you think about your ending?

To be absolutely honest, I can't fathom how - even after you read that article - you come up with that conclusion... See:

This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

While, in the game, that is EXACTLY the ending(s) we got; A, B or C. How is that not breaking promises?

Also, I understand your reasoning in what makes the endings better, but it all boils down to the fact that everything that is "good" in the endings happens inside your mind, NOT the actual in-game endings. So, one could very well argue - and be equally correct - that the endings are horrible if that person imagined that BAD things happened instead of good things. (That relays DID explode, that everyone DID die of hunger, etc, etc.) If you use imaginations as a measure to rate the story, you're not actually rating the story in itself, you're rating YOUR ability to "headcanon" everything to your liking.

saracen16 wrote... 
You got answers. Enough of them to understand as to why the galaxy is what it is: the Catalyst is a god-like AI (or even a diety itself?) that controls evolution and dissolution based on a notion that a technological singularity will eventually prove dangerous to organics

And then this.. If you actually think that was good story/writing and are happy with that and accept it.. I can't really argue. Each to his/her own and all, but really? I never met anyone that actually liked Deus Ex Machinas (LITERAL this time around) as plot-ending devices (that actually disregard a large part of what happened earlier).

Deus Ex Machina, in my opinion, is NOT and will NEVER be an accetable way to end a story. I think it is lazy and unimaginative thing to do and undervalues the rest of the story completely. And on top of that, in my opinion, it makes it look like the writer doesn't value his/her readers at all. All in all, I think Deus Ex Machina is one of the most idiotic, ridiculous and demeaning ways to end a story.

Do you accept an answer as a proper, good answer if it destroys an earlier part of the story and makes that part look like a moon-sized plothole? Yes, it may answer THAT question THEN, but by doing so it irrelevates something that happened earlier that the current part is based on. Is that acceptable? Because, if we accept [and I don't] that the space kid is what he says he is. Then most of ME1 plot is rendered irrelevant and becomes a humongous plothole. Not to mention it makes Sovereign's speech on Virmire totally pointless. If the space kid is indeed "the citadel" and made the reapers and all, why in the whole wide world did Saren have to search for the Conduit? Why did Sovereign need Saren in the first place. Why did the space kid need SOVEREIGN for that matter? What is the whole point of the collectors and ME2 plot (or ME1) if the space kid is indeed in control of the Citadel. Why didn't it just open up the Citadel relay and whoosh, instant reaper invasion before Shepard even go to Therum in the first place.

And if the space kid's reason for everything really is to "kill you before you do it yourself" (and NO choice to tell him to shut his trap, you just proved him wrong with EDI & Geth?). what the hell was Sovereign had when he was in Virmire? "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign." A realm of existence? so far beyond your own?

If everything really is as said, the Sovereing REALLY was correct, at least in one way:
"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."

Because, yes, really. Incapable of understanding. 

[thompsonaf]

OP you are a troll and this entire thread is flame bait. It appears you purposely posted this to be condescending and to insult others. That is a violation of site rule #3. Further violations and you will be reported.

As to your condescending question if we are "smart enough to think other possibilities", yes we did think about that and NO we still don't like the endings. In fact 61,963 users out of 67,897 users (91%) voted and said that they hate the endings.

You like the ending? Thats fine, we don't care. But we don't like the ending and your flame bait threads aren't going to convince us otherwise. So either accept that people have different opinions than you or GTFO.