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[Lemonwizard]

 You pick a premise and then frantically search for anything that can be interpreted to support it, ignoring the premise's utter lack of expression anywhere else.




Seriously guys, let's get some Occam's Razor in here.  The ending wasn't cryptic and needing analysis, it was actually just poorly done.



EDIT: It has become clear people are misinterpreting me when I tell them to use Occam's razor, so I'm going to spell this out:


It is not my assertion that the catalyst being an ancient AI ending is simpler or more logical than Shepard being indoctrinated.


It is my assertion that it's far more simple and logical to assume that Bioware wrote a bad ending that doesn't make sense, than that they vaguely alluded to some other one and expected their fans to piece it together from tiny unconnected clues.

Modifié par Lemonwizard, 14 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[77boy84]

Why do you hate hope.

[Der Estr Bune]

I think Indoc. Theory is actually a fairly sound theory (not airtight, but decent). I just think the implications of it are worse than anything so far, including the idea that the ending is "complete" as it stands.

[Haasth]

So you are of opinion the ending is what it is? BioWare threw in the God card, blew up all their Mass Relays and went "**** it, this franchise is done."?

Seems like a suicidal business practice.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Lemonwizard, I've heard you name somewhere before. I remember you being a cool guy.

I love your title and shot at YEC.

https://twitter.com/...967731070799872 is sort of interesting though

[Leafs43]

Actually its those that believe the ending is the ending is more like young earth creationism.

They are told what to believe and throw out all other evidence to the contrary.

[Tequila Man]

Haasth wrote...

So you are of opinion the ending is what it is? BioWare threw in the God card, blew up all their Mass Relays and went "**** it, this franchise is done."?

Seems like a suicidal business practice.

Thats not an opinion.

Thats what they did.

[Berkilak]

Der Estr Bune wrote...

I think Indoc. Theory is actually a fairly sound theory (not airtight, but decent). I just think the implications of it are worse than anything so far, including the idea that the ending is "complete" as it stands.

True. Not airtight. But at least moreso than accepting the ending as reality. 

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I agree with OP.

[Lemonwizard]

77boy84 wrote...

Why do you hate hope.

This isn't hope. Hope are the people begging for a free DLC to fix the ending. This is fan ****** to try and justify what's already here as something more than it is.

[Haasth]

Tequila Man wrote...

Haasth wrote...

So you are of opinion the ending is what it is? BioWare threw in the God card, blew up all their Mass Relays and went "**** it, this franchise is done."?

Seems like a suicidal business practice.

Thats not an opinion.

Thats what they did.

Or so it seems. 
The hallucination/indoctrination theory sounds most plausible to me as that would mean that doesn't happen. 
If BioWare truly meant this ending to be the ending - which is highly doubtful considering the plans and implication of DLC - then.. Well, I doubt BioWare would be that dumb. 

It would be one hell of an ass thing to do, sell us a product without an actual ending and expect us to download extra content to get it. But it seems more than plausible to me. Certainly more plausible than this ending being the true ending. 

Modifié par Haasth, 14 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[blah64]

Hope, and a lack of a reply from BW saying something to the affect of...."Um, no. It's not indoc. theory." That to the side, lets not drag religion into the debate. There's anough bad blood as it is.

[bcNimis]

I think they had made big plans for post release DLC, but i doubt it addresses the ending.

[Tequila Man]

Leafs43 wrote...

Actually its those that believe the ending is the ending is more like young earth creationism.

They are told what to believe and throw out all other evidence to the contrary.

Thats because the developers ended the story, as of now. All "evidence," until they fix the ending, is, everyone with me now....


FANFICTION.

[JoeLaTurkeyII]

Exactly what I've been thinking.

[Aigik]

Lemonwizard wrote...

 You pick a premise and then frantically search for anything that can be interpreted to support it, ignoring the premise's utter lack of expression anywhere else.




Seriously guys, let's get some Occam's Razor in here.  The ending wasn't cryptic and needing analysis, it was actually just poorly done.

Do yourself a favor and never, ever watch Lost.  It's too much for someone like you to handle.

[Meshaber]

Indoctrination theory makes way more sense than the current endings, but there's no reason to believe that this is actually what BW did. It was just a ****ty ending.

Also, it's not young earth creationism. It's the first stage of grief: Denial. There's also plenty of anger, bargaining and depression going on.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Lemonwizard wrote...

 You pick a premise and then frantically search for anything that can be interpreted to support it, ignoring the premise's utter lack of expression anywhere else.




Seriously guys, let's get some Occam's Razor in here.  The ending wasn't cryptic and needing analysis, it was actually just poorly done.

True, but I'm alot more lenient on hypotheses involving video game endings than fundamental truths like the origins of the earth.

[TheJediSaint]

Young Earth Creationists ignore facts in order to impose their own preconceived view on the world.

The Indoctrination Theory is an example of people trying to make sense of the nonsense that was ME3's ending.

[byne]

Lemonwizard wrote...

Seriously guys, let's get some Occam's Razor in here.  The ending wasn't cryptic and needing analysis, it was actually just poorly done.

While I agree we should use Occam's Razor in most occasions, any occasion where Occam's Razor leads to a god child using space magic should probably be treated as very suspect at best.

[Lemonwizard]

PKchu wrote...

Lemonwizard, I've heard you name somewhere before. I remember you being a cool guy.

I love your title and shot at YEC.

https://twitter.com/...967731070799872 is sort of interesting though

I used to make lots of really ridiculous troll topics in the first year or so after ME2 came out. I was fairly well known on BSN at the time. I just stopped posting here once ME3 info started getting released to evade spoilers.

[Phydeaux314]

Okay.

Please do not compare any of the sides of the whole ending debate to a debate on religion.

A. You are asking for the issue to rapidly become about the debate on religion, rather than the ending, and that's off-topic.
B. Emotions are running high enough as it is without adding that particular fuel to the fire.
C. A debate about the subjective interpretations of the ending to a game is not the same as a debate on whether or not reality is objective or subjective. Really, folks, come on.

[DirectorStormchaser1]

Young Earth Creationists do not put all the facts out therefore they are Theorists.

Indoctrination Theorists are not Theorists. They are Factualists. They lay out all the facts which is presented as evidence.

Factualists cannot lay down theories which Young Earth Creationists do.

Modifié par DirectorStormchaser1, 14 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[TyDurden13]

Lemonwizard wrote...

 You pick a premise and then frantically search for anything that can be interpreted to support it, ignoring the premise's utter lack of expression anywhere else.




Seriously guys, let's get some Occam's Razor in here.  The ending wasn't cryptic and needing analysis, it was actually just poorly done.

No, because there is plenty to support the Indoctrination theory and nothing to support creationism. 

Also, Occam's Razor does not apply to fiction. 

[Mcfly616]

You sir, are gullible....if you have played the first 2 games in the series, and you actually think its over....you are gullible. If you have any sense of logic you would know its not over, its totally illogical of Bioware to leave it like that....going to be funny when everybody that thinks the current ending is the final word on the series....