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[ApplesauceBandit]

GTANJ wrote...

This theory of indoctrination being the ending of ME3 is based on the belief that Shepard has been systematically indoctrinated through the three games. However, there is one important part of ME3 that proves Shepard was not in any shape or form, indoctrinated. If he was, the Prothean VI on Thessia would have sensed that Shepard was indoctrinated to some level and would have said "Sensing Indoctrinated Lifeform" or something of that nature. Remember when the VI did that when Kai Leng showed up? Shepard wasn't indoctrinated at all. The theory is debunk. Sorry fans, it was just a bad ending.

yeah because Your opinion is going to convince me, sorry but i just don't care.

I'll continue to believe in indoctrination until BioWare actually gives a statement or DLC.

[Urumashi]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

So you're saying that there will be DLC, but there won't be DLC pertaining to the ending....ok....and you believe this because....?

Because Casey Hudson said he was happy with the endings. And the fact the game resets to just before the point of no return of attacking the Cerberus base, meaning any single player DLC can be incorporated before the end. I have yet to see any evidence that they are going to do anything about the endings.

It's just pure speculation.

While speculation is good, (hell, it's what got us this far in the theory to begin with to some end) speculation requires logistical backing or else you're just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. Casey Hudson said, specificly, he's happy with the user response to the endings, now consider for a moment, why a game developer would admit to being happy that many of his fans are pissed at the ending, simply put, he's not talking about the rage quitters, he's talking about those who are taking the time to actually analyze the ending for what it's worth. The game resets to the point of no return because its entirely possible that if/when the DLC is released it will effect more than just the last run to the citadel, the new parts may drop in as soon as the assault on the cerberus base, shep may start having epiphanies on how the child is an indoctrinated hallucination for example when seeing jsut how far the illusive man has fallen or by making contact with the reaper remains within the facility.

[Sarevok Synder]

Urumashi wrote...

While speculation is good, (hell, it's what got us this far in the theory to begin with to some end) speculation requires logistical backing or else you're just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. Casey Hudson said, specificly, he's happy with the user response to the endings, now consider for a moment, why a game developer would admit to being happy that many of his fans are pissed at the ending, simply put, he's not talking about the rage quitters, he's talking about those who are taking the time to actually analyze the ending for what it's worth. The game resets to the point of no return because its entirely possible that if/when the DLC is released it will effect more than just the last run to the citadel, the new parts may drop in as soon as the assault on the cerberus base, shep may start having epiphanies on how the child is an indoctrinated hallucination for example when seeing jsut how far the illusive man has fallen or by making contact with the reaper remains within the facility.

LOL

You read far too much into things. He's in damage control mode, nothing more.

When I see concert proof that they will do something about the endings, I'll comment further. Not to mention if they did, it will open a can of worms as to why the game was released unfinished.

Your pointless 'if and buts' are a waste of time.

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 14 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[Baelyn]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Think of it like this, if shepard really is a "legend" and presumably dead, why would you "continue to build on that legend" through further gameplay?

Because they want to sell DLC? Doesn't mean they have any intention of fixing the ending.

If it is indoctrination, then they planned this ahead, meaning they are happy with the way the ending is. This debate over what it means is exactly what they wanted. It doesn't need to be "fixed" it needs to be explained. Exactly as Chris Priestly's tweet stated about people that "make assumptions without complete data." I don't know how much more obvious they could be about this.

They won't change the ending, but I believe they will shed light on what truly happened and most likely expound upon it.

[Sarevok Synder]

Baelyn wrote...

If it is indoctrination, then they planned this ahead, meaning they are happy with the way the ending is. This debate over what it means is exactly what they wanted. It doesn't need to be "fixed" it needs to be explained. Exactly as Chris Priestly's tweet stated about people that "make assumptions without complete data." I don't know how much more obvious they could be about this.

They won't change the ending, but I believe they will shed light on what truly happened and most likely expound upon it.

Yeah, they also claimed that the endings weren't as they turned out to be after the leak a few weeks ago. Until a firm statement is released, this is an exercise in futility.

Not to mention, they will have to explain why the game wasn't released finished to begin with. The whole "it was imagined" doesn't make up for the fact our choices made absolutely no difference to the farcical ending.

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 14 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Rhod747]

Actualy, the theory is that s/he was NEVER indoctrinated in any of the games, but was slowly being indoctrinated at some period of time throughout, most probably, Mass Effect 3, meaning it's highly unlikley the Prothean VI would detect it. It's not until the end that Shepard is fully experiencing the indoctrination effects apart from the dreams throughout ME3, where Shepard tries to get onto the Citadel but is stopped by Harbinger. When Shepard 'wakes up' the Reapers are trying to break Shepards will by killing Anderson and tries to get her/him to spare the Reapers which seem like the options Shepard would pick (I myself though the destruction option was a horrible choice, before reading through these forums) while destruction is the bad option, whereas destruction is the real option to get rid of the Reapers and save the galaxy, therefore fully resisting the indoctrination ATTEMPT, choosing the other two options where Shepard 'dies' (becomes indoctrinated), the evidence in that being Shepard can be seen in rubble seemingly ALIVE (the mass relays exploding would have destroyed the entire solar system, therefore it never happend) and on EARTH, no way could Shepard survive that (In ME2 Shepard was infact dead for awhile before Cerberus could get to him/her) meaning again what happend after that was indoctrination. I don't see how it can't be the only explanation.

[prsquared]

Call it denial or whatever. Believing this theory is the only way by which I can force a second playthrough. So here I go.

[savionen]

According to the codexes, Derelict Reaper, and so forth it starts out as whispers and slight hallucinations. They don't just wake up one day shouting "KILL ALL HUMANS."

[Urumashi]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

While speculation is good, (hell, it's what got us this far in the theory to begin with to some end) speculation requires logistical backing or else you're just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. Casey Hudson said, specificly, he's happy with the user response to the endings, now consider for a moment, why a game developer would admit to being happy that many of his fans are pissed at the ending, simply put, he's not talking about the rage quitters, he's talking about those who are taking the time to actually analyze the ending for what it's worth. The game resets to the point of no return because its entirely possible that if/when the DLC is released it will effect more than just the last run to the citadel, the new parts may drop in as soon as the assault on the cerberus base, shep may start having epiphanies on how the child is an indoctrinated hallucination for example when seeing jsut how far the illusive man has fallen or by making contact with the reaper remains within the facility.

LOL

You read far too much into things. He's in damage control mode, nothing more.

When I see concert proof that they will do something about the endings, I'll comment further. Not to mention if they did, it will open a can of worms as to why the game was released unfinished.

Your pointless 'if and buts' are a waste of time.

Not to sound terse, but it's people like you that are the reason this whole thing is getting nowhere. There is *concrete* proof everywhere, four hundred pages of it a few threads over in fact. If you really need a Bioware employee to hold your hand and say "I'm sorry we stepped out of the box on this one and tried to make the ending a little more complicated than Call of Duty's i promise i wont do it again so it makes your think-box hurt" then by all means, please wait a week or two and send them a letter after they've released the end-game DLC complaining about how they "released an unfinished product" I'm sure they will be happy to explain how providing a feature defined in the game's origional description through a non-financially applicible patch so long as the game is still within it's development cycle is both completely legal and used on an almost daily basis. 'Ifs and buts" are about as far from useless as you can get, the moment we stop asking questions is the moment we can all stuff our heads underground and wait for the world to end.

[Skirata129]

hallucination makes the most sense, with ATTEMPTED indoctrination a close second,
shep lost a lost of blood after all. not the best time to fight off a mental assault.

[Sarevok Synder]

Urumashi wrote...


Not to sound terse, but it's people like you that are the reason this whole thing is getting nowhere. There is *concrete* proof everywhere, four hundred pages of it a few threads over in fact. If you really need a Bioware employee to hold your hand and say "I'm sorry we stepped out of the box on this one and tried to make the ending a little more complicated than Call of Duty's i promise i wont do it again so it makes your think-box hurt" then by all means, please wait a week or two and send them a letter after they've released the end-game DLC complaining about how they "released an unfinished product" I'm sure they will be happy to explain how providing a feature defined in the game's origional description through a non-financially applicible patch so long as the game is still within it's development cycle is both completely legal and used on an almost daily basis. 'Ifs and buts" are about as far from useless as you can get, the moment we stop asking questions is the moment we can all stuff our heads underground and wait for the world to end.

*YAWN*

Your petty insults mean nothing to me. Their word counts for nothing, considering they denied that this was how the endings were going to be. But if it makes you feel better, you continue with this little charade. You will convince few others.

And you think it will be free?!

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 14 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[prsquared]

It could well be possible that Shepard waking up after destroy, with 4000+ war assets was an easter egg. Maybe he wakes up after all 3 endings.

Modifié par prsquared, 14 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[Urumashi]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Not to sound terse, but it's people like you that are the reason this whole thing is getting nowhere. There is *concrete* proof everywhere, four hundred pages of it a few threads over in fact. If you really need a Bioware employee to hold your hand and say "I'm sorry we stepped out of the box on this one and tried to make the ending a little more complicated than Call of Duty's i promise i wont do it again so it makes your think-box hurt" then by all means, please wait a week or two and send them a letter after they've released the end-game DLC complaining about how they "released an unfinished product" I'm sure they will be happy to explain how providing a feature defined in the game's origional description through a non-financially applicible patch so long as the game is still within it's development cycle is both completely legal and used on an almost daily basis. 'Ifs and buts" are about as far from useless as you can get, the moment we stop asking questions is the moment we can all stuff our heads underground and wait for the world to end.

*YAWN*

Your petty insults mean nothing to me. Their word counts for nothing, considering they denied that this was how the endings were going to be. But if it makes you feel better, you continue with this little charade. You will convince few others.

I will enjoy reading your response after the real ending comes out.

[Sarevok Synder]

Urumashi wrote...


I will enjoy reading your response after the real ending comes out.

 Don't hold your breath.

[Rhod747]

Also, there are infact a few different aspects of indoctrination, some have weak minds and succumb within a matter of weeks, some months, some even years if you aren't constantly near Reaper tech (according to codexes and dialogue in ME2)

Slow indoctrination have multiple side effects which were experienced in ME3. Weird, recurring dreams (Shepard has these in ME3), things out of the usual and strangley, walls that seem to shift and change, something almost exactly what Anderson 'faced' in the end when talking to Shepard, which suggests Anderson was also being indoctrinated.

[Sarevok Synder]

Rhod747 wrote...

Also, there are infact a few different aspects of indoctrination, some have weak minds and succumb within a matter of weeks, some months, some even years if you aren't constantly near Reaper tech (according to codexes and dialogue in ME2)

Slow indoctrination have multiple side effects which were experienced in ME3. Weird, recurring dreams (Shepard has these in ME3), things out of the usual and strangley, walls that seem to shift and change, something almost exactly what Anderson 'faced' in the end when talking to Shepard, which suggests Anderson was also being indoctrinated.

The ending was a farce; it doesn't matter how much wishful thinking is applied to it. We got three nonsensical endings; the only difference between them being the choice of colour to view the events in.

The "your choices matter" spin was a lie. This hurts you!

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 14 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[Rhod747]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Rhod747 wrote...

Also, there are infact a few different aspects of indoctrination, some have weak minds and succumb within a matter of weeks, some months, some even years if you aren't constantly near Reaper tech (according to codexes and dialogue in ME2)

Slow indoctrination have multiple side effects which were experienced in ME3. Weird, recurring dreams (Shepard has these in ME3), things out of the usual and strangley, walls that seem to shift and change, something almost exactly what Anderson 'faced' in the end when talking to Shepard, which suggests Anderson was also being indoctrinated.

The ending was a farce; it doesn't matter how much wishful thinking is applied to it. We got three nonsensical endings; the choice being what colour to view them in.

The "your choices matter" spin was a lie. This hurts you!

BioWare is planning something big, it's obviouse. These are a series of tweets from Mass Effect fans and the official Mass Effect twitter account. Don't drop the hate on BW yet, they seem to be waiting for more people to play the game (It's not even released in Japan yet, that's on the 15th, tomorrow, although it's likley we'll get some news in around a week or so)

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect: "The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it be both?"


User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."


User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available ."

And some more:

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?

[Sarevok Synder]

Rhod747 wrote...

BioWare is planning something big, it's obviouse. These are a series of tweets from Mass Effect fans and the official Mass Effect twitter account. Don't drop the hate on BW yet, they seem to be waiting for more people to play the game (It's not even released in Japan yet, that's on the 15th, tomorrow, although it's likley we'll get some news in around a week or so)

I saw a series of tweets denying the endings were going to be the way they turned out. Guess what?, they turned out that way anyway.

Until I see concrete proof that it is in the works I don't believe a word they say.

[Rhod747]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

Rhod747 wrote...

BioWare is planning something big, it's obviouse. These are a series of tweets from Mass Effect fans and the official Mass Effect twitter account. Don't drop the hate on BW yet, they seem to be waiting for more people to play the game (It's not even released in Japan yet, that's on the 15th, tomorrow, although it's likley we'll get some news in around a week or so)

I saw a series of tweets denying the endings were going to be the way they turned out. Guess what?, they turned out that way anyway.

Until I see concrete proof that it is in the works I don't believe a word they say.

Well, like I said, you'll just have to wait and see. They seem way to tight lipped for it to be a ****ty dlc which has nothing to do with the ending.

[Sarevok Synder]

Rhod747 wrote...

Well, like I said, you'll just have to wait and see. They seem way to tight lipped for it to be a ****ty dlc which has nothing to do with the ending.

I won't be holding my breath. I would also add, if true; I don't like being asked to pay for content which should have been in the game in the first place, and yes the damn ending should have been included. Unless they release it for free, which I highly doubt will happen.

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 14 mars 2012 - 10:34 .