MustacheManatee wrote...
Entire forums worth of observations, and evidence vs "The VI didn't detect him", and "you are wrong".
Urumashi wrote...
MustacheManatee wrote...
Entire forums worth of observations, and evidence vs "The VI didn't detect him", and "you are wrong".
Head smashingly frustrating, i know. We've been counteracting people and trying to spread the theories for days, at some point it feels almost as progressive as trying to get the council to help you with something.
mereck7980 wrote...
This entire point is moot, IMHO, because when you get to the end you a choice to counter the Reapers stated goals.
What other person has ever had a choice be indoctrinated? They just are. You don't have to pick Control or Synthesis. You can choose Destroy. Nothing in the ME lore leads me to believe that Indoctrination is that open ended.
BTW, the state of Shepard's indoctrination is irrelevant in at least a third of the endings because the Reapers all die.
It seems like people have been grasping at straws because they were shocked by how bad the endings are, so they are trying to figure out some way to justify what they have just witnessed.
Naarad wrote...
You deny the endings to support the Indoctrination theory. But if that was really what was going on, believe me, the writers would have put plausible, easy to understand, proof of that being the case. That's not the case, they actually go all the way to show you indoctrination... on TIM.
savionen wrote...
The only counter to the indoctrination theory is that it was all just "bad writing".
-Why is Commander Shepard the only one that pays attention to the vent boy? It seems like Anderson can't see him.
-Why does the vent boy say "You can't save me" when you first see him?
-Why does God Kid say "Wake up" softly instead of "Why are you here!?" if you have a high EMS score.
-How did the kid survive through a vent that says it's an electrical hazard?
-How did the kid survive even though he was in a building that got destroyed by Reapers?
-Why doesn't anyone help the kid get onto the shuttle? They completely ignore him. One of the guards is actually pointing his gun in the direction of the kid for a few seconds.
-Why is the vent boy also the god kid?
-Why is Shepard so jarred by this one kid even though he killed hundreds of thousands of batarians (including children)?
Naarad wrote...
Urumashi wrote...
MustacheManatee wrote...
Entire forums worth of observations, and evidence vs "The VI didn't detect him", and "you are wrong".
Head smashingly frustrating, i know. We've been counteracting people and trying to spread the theories for days, at some point it feels almost as progressive as trying to get the council to help you with something.
That alone should be the proof that, sadly, the idea is just that, an idea. You argue people has become enamored with whatever they didn't like about the ending, but you don't seem to be able to assume that perhaps you've ended enamored of the indoctrination idea exactly because you, too, refuse to accept the ending.
Naarad wrote...
Urumashi wrote...
MustacheManatee wrote...
Entire forums worth of observations, and evidence vs "The VI didn't detect him", and "you are wrong".
Head smashingly frustrating, i know. We've been counteracting people and trying to spread the theories for days, at some point it feels almost as progressive as trying to get the council to help you with something.
That alone should be the proof that, sadly, the idea is just that, an idea. You argue people has become enamored with whatever they didn't like about the ending, but you don't seem to be able to assume that perhaps you've ended enamored of the indoctrination idea exactly because you, too, refuse to accept the ending.
:blink:I came into this thread looking for a counter-proof and found the first post doesn't actually match the thread title. I expected the words "Why" and "doesn't" to be explained but they were completely ignored.Naarad wrote...
While I understand there's plenty of people that just plain hate the ending in all its forms since the moment the Catalyst comes up, let's put this clear (IMO):
A theory that has as many assumptions and outside justifications going around to give it sense is as bad as the ending itself for the lack of context.
If you bend it enough, you could even justify that Shepard is in fact a unicorn. Really, you can hate the ending all you want, but making up a whole justification that is based on one assumption after the other doesn't really give it validity.
It's a cool theory, I'll give you that, but sadly it lacks as much proof as the actual ending does lack context.
Modifié par Nefelius, 14 mars 2012 - 08:31 .
Malanek999 wrote...
:blink:I came into this thread looking for a counter-proof and found the first post doesn't actually match the thread title. I expected the words "Why" and "doesn't" to be explained but they were completely ignored.Naarad wrote...
While I understand there's plenty of people that just plain hate the ending in all its forms since the moment the Catalyst comes up, let's put this clear (IMO):
A theory that has as many assumptions and outside justifications going around to give it sense is as bad as the ending itself for the lack of context.
If you bend it enough, you could even justify that Shepard is in fact a unicorn. Really, you can hate the ending all you want, but making up a whole justification that is based on one assumption after the other doesn't really give it validity.
It's a cool theory, I'll give you that, but sadly it lacks as much proof as the actual ending does lack context.
Modifié par Smiley556, 14 mars 2012 - 08:33 .
The whole Catalyst scene and the result of it is considered "SPACE MAGIC" and it is commonly used as the proof for indoctrination hypothesis - "it couldn't happen! SPACE MAGIC"MustacheManatee wrote...
True. Magic is usually just science we don't understand yet. How does this counteract the indoctrination theory?
Astarmos wrote...
The whole Catalyst scene and the result of it is considered "SPACE MAGIC" and it is commonly used as the proof for indoctrination hypothesis - "it couldn't happen! SPACE MAGIC"MustacheManatee wrote...
True. Magic is usually just science we don't understand yet. How does this counteract the indoctrination theory?
Modifié par Smiley556, 14 mars 2012 - 08:35 .
Nefelius wrote...
I like how these theorists guys just blatanlty deny the lack of facts that prove their nonsense and make it all from piecing together their own speculation.
I like how they deny that even if after-vi-section-shepard-could-be-indoctrinated there are NO facts that lead to it.
Harbinjer shoots a big main gun laser to kill you? - INDOCTRINATIOOOOOON!
Anderson did not see the kid, ignoring the fact that he could not in any way see him from the angle he stood - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
How come shepard live only in red option that spacebaby wizard gives you, ignoring the fact that u just cant be possibly alive after desintegration in other two magical choices, and tho u certainly can survive a blast - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
The spacebabywizard telsl you not to pick a red pill, ignoring the fact that he does not, just hints that even if you do pick red it might result in war after all - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
Spacebabywizard tells you that you will die after taking the red pill but you dont, ignoring the fact that he says only "even you are partly synthetic" - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
Prothean VI is a phony liar - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
I said, it's commonly used, i didn't say it is the only oneSmiley556 wrote...
Astarmos wrote...
The whole Catalyst scene and the result of it is considered "SPACE MAGIC" and it is commonly used as the proof for indoctrination hypothesis - "it couldn't happen! SPACE MAGIC"MustacheManatee wrote...
True. Magic is usually just science we don't understand yet. How does this counteract the indoctrination theory?
If you think this is the only evidence you clearly havent read a single indoctrination explenation. And the reason we refer to it as space magic is because bloody well everybody refers to it as space magic. We didnt come up with that wording, the people who hate the ending at face value did.
Astarmos wrote...
Everything after you got hit by prothean beacon on Eden Prime is an illusion, a dream. Prove me wrong.
nedimlive wrote...
Nefelius wrote...
I like how these theorists guys just blatanlty deny the lack of facts that prove their nonsense and make it all from piecing together their own speculation.
I like how they deny that even if after-vi-section-shepard-could-be-indoctrinated there are NO facts that lead to it.
Harbinjer shoots a big main gun laser to kill you? - INDOCTRINATIOOOOOON!
Anderson did not see the kid, ignoring the fact that he could not in any way see him from the angle he stood - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
How come shepard live only in red option that spacebaby wizard gives you, ignoring the fact that u just cant be possibly alive after desintegration in other two magical choices, and tho u certainly can survive a blast - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
The spacebabywizard telsl you not to pick a red pill, ignoring the fact that he does not, just hints that even if you do pick red it might result in war after all - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
Spacebabywizard tells you that you will die after taking the red pill but you dont, ignoring the fact that he says only "even you are partly synthetic" - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
Prothean VI is a phony liar - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!
you sound like a moron
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