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[Thorem]

Nefelius wrote...

nedimlive wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

I like how these theorists guys just blatanlty deny the lack of facts that prove their nonsense and make it all from piecing together their own speculation.
I like how they deny that even if after-vi-section-shepard-could-be-indoctrinated there are NO facts that lead to it.

Harbinjer shoots a big main gun laser to kill you? - INDOCTRINATIOOOOOON!

Anderson did not see the kid, ignoring the fact that he could not in any way see him from the angle he stood - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

How come shepard live only in red option that spacebaby wizard gives you, ignoring the fact that u just cant be possibly alive after desintegration in other two magical choices, and tho u certainly can survive a blast - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

The spacebabywizard telsl you not to pick a red pill, ignoring the fact that he does not, just hints that even if you do pick red it might result in war after all - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

Spacebabywizard tells you that you will die after taking the red pill but you dont, ignoring the fact that he says only "even you are partly synthetic" - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

Prothean VI is a phony liar - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

you sound like a moron

That's the point.

you are a moron

[Vyndral]

Well I like the theory just because it is better then the other choice. Which is what happened is real. And that would be truly horrible. The only down side to the theory is that it means the reapers still exist, and will be used in future ME games/ dlc. I was ready for a dlc cleaning up loose reapers. But a whole army still there? Frankly, Im tired of the reapers. they were cool villians. But Im really done with them. Let the ME universe evolve and move on to something else. Even if it as something as mundane, the Reapers no longer interest me. I was ready for this game to be the end of them.

[Nefelius]

nedimlive wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

nedimlive wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

I like how these theorists guys just blatanlty deny the lack of facts that prove their nonsense and make it all from piecing together their own speculation.
I like how they deny that even if after-vi-section-shepard-could-be-indoctrinated there are NO facts that lead to it.

Harbinjer shoots a big main gun laser to kill you? - INDOCTRINATIOOOOOON!

Anderson did not see the kid, ignoring the fact that he could not in any way see him from the angle he stood - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

How come shepard live only in red option that spacebaby wizard gives you, ignoring the fact that u just cant be possibly alive after desintegration in other two magical choices, and tho u certainly can survive a blast - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

The spacebabywizard telsl you not to pick a red pill, ignoring the fact that he does not, just hints that even if you do pick red it might result in war after all - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

Spacebabywizard tells you that you will die after taking the red pill but you dont, ignoring the fact that he says only "even you are partly synthetic" - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

Prothean VI is a phony liar - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

you sound like a moron

That's the point.

you are a moron

No. I just sound like the theorists here.

[Smiley556]

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556, You're one of the few others on this particular thread that seems to be willing to actually stand up for the theory and provide evidence as to why, for this i thank you. Endlessly. I'm leaving you in charge now, i'm going to go eat something since i've been trying to set these people down a decent path for the past 4 hours to effectively no avail. Happy hunting.

I wasnt really planning to put to much effort into it really, Ive done that enough already in other threads the past days. I was hoping someone who is so against this theory wouldve actually come up with a counterargument that isnt 'plotholes' or 'I dont like it cos it gives no closure so its not true'. But I was mistaken, and now people just keep on repeating the same questions on and on and on that have already been answered countless times in other threads.
Hell, everytime I present a proper argument here the debate ends in some childish remark eventually, I cant really be bothered to respond to that.

[Naarad]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

 The theory has more credibility than your opinion because I've seen it well supported. Saying the other theory is wrong is meaningless without showing some deconstruction of the argument point by point.

Please, point me to where I said the theory is wrong. I said it doesn't work for me. Which you can accept or not, but my opinion holds as much merit as anyone's. If it's wrong or not it 's only for Bioware to say, not me. I only said that this indoctronation theory doesn't work for me.

If Bioware does actually go and say "yeah, that's the truth" then I'll still maintain my opinion because there's just too much information that is not presented clearly to the player as well as plotholes (which are present as well in the ending).

[Urumashi]

nedimlive wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

nedimlive wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

I like how these theorists guys just blatanlty deny the lack of facts that prove their nonsense and make it all from piecing together their own speculation.
I like how they deny that even if after-vi-section-shepard-could-be-indoctrinated there are NO facts that lead to it.

Harbinjer shoots a big main gun laser to kill you? - INDOCTRINATIOOOOOON!

Anderson did not see the kid, ignoring the fact that he could not in any way see him from the angle he stood - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

How come shepard live only in red option that spacebaby wizard gives you, ignoring the fact that u just cant be possibly alive after desintegration in other two magical choices, and tho u certainly can survive a blast - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

The spacebabywizard telsl you not to pick a red pill, ignoring the fact that he does not, just hints that even if you do pick red it might result in war after all - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

Spacebabywizard tells you that you will die after taking the red pill but you dont, ignoring the fact that he says only "even you are partly synthetic" - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

Prothean VI is a phony liar - INDOCTRINATIOOOOON!

you sound like a moron

That's the point.

you are a moron

This made my week. God i laughed so hard.

[Nefelius]

I have another theory.
Reapers = giant space squids.
Squids are a food sourse for some whales.
There's a giant space whale inside the Crusible, that's why Reapers move the Citadel so the power of the almighty space whale can't be unleashed on them with the help of the Catalyst.
We didnt actually see what's inside the Crusible, so you can't deny it, there's plenty evidence towars that.
Like - there's enough space in it to store a space whale.
/sarcasm off.

[Myrmedus]

The theory works. Whether it is true or not remains to be seen, but it certainly works.

It is not just at the end of the game but there are consistent hints earlier on too.

[Smiley556]

Nefelius wrote...

I have another theory.
Reapers = giant space squids.
Squids are a food sourse for some whales.
There's a giant space whale inside the Crusible, that's why Reapers move the Citadel so the power of the almighty space whale can't be unleashed on them with the help of the Catalyst.
We didnt actually see what's inside the Crusible, so you can't deny it, there's plenty evidence towars that.
Like - there's enough space in it to store a space whale.
/sarcasm off.

This is what we are debating against. My point exactly. I'm outta here.

Edit: You are right by the way, you sound like a moron.

Modifié par Smiley556, 14 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[Urumashi]

Smiley556 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556, You're one of the few others on this particular thread that seems to be willing to actually stand up for the theory and provide evidence as to why, for this i thank you. Endlessly. I'm leaving you in charge now, i'm going to go eat something since i've been trying to set these people down a decent path for the past 4 hours to effectively no avail. Happy hunting.

I wasnt really planning to put to much effort into it really, Ive done that enough already in other threads the past days. I was hoping someone who is so against this theory wouldve actually come up with a counterargument that isnt 'plotholes' or 'I dont like it cos it gives no closure so its not true'. But I was mistaken, and now people just keep on repeating the same questions on and on and on that have already been answered countless times in other threads.
Hell, everytime I present a proper argument here the debate ends in some childish remark eventually, I cant really be bothered to respond to that.

At this point, i agree with you, i'm getting the heck out and carrying on with my life until bioware releases the real ending. I, like you, came here expecting to find that someone had found actual evidence that the theory is false. Instead i found outright denial, child like whineing and repetition of the phrase "grasping at straws" used to an extent that it has probably left a physical mark on my brain. My advice, get out now, i'll be right behind you.

[Astarmos]

MustacheManatee :
-Upon awakening after Harbingers beam hits, everything is out of focus and Shepards head is ringing(this is actually important as I will point out later). Everything moves in slow motion and nobody is around. The movement is similar to your dream sequences. It is my theory that the dream sequences are evidence of the ongoing battle in Shepards mind to fight off the indoctrination that was initiated by the beacon in the first MAss Effect.
-During this sequence, you walk towards the beam with a pistol that has UNLIMITED ammo. Also aiming at husks that attack is very slow and diffucult. Ever tried to aim or throw something in a stressful dream? It feels just like this! It also feels as if you are floating, and you can not move the camera down to see your feet.
- Upon entering the Citadel, Anderson contacts you, saying that he followed you to the Citadel, even though there was NO ONE AROUND. Very suspicious. Shepard mentions that it doesn't look like the Citadel, and Anderson confirms that it looks like Shepards description of the Collector base. This is also an important piece of evidence.

You are almost dead. I don't know if you were ever drunk, but getting hit hard (really hard) results in disorientation and you really don't know what is happening. It is natural to make ammo infinite because it isn't just a gameplay. It is part of a scene - the final scene. Anderson could just enter the beam without you - he didn't have time to just stand by your body and think "o well, are you alright?" and meanwhile harbinger says "oh he is propably dead, oh well" and they have a happy converastion about the reapers and so on. Shepard doesn't know every single corridor of the citadel. You think that this kind of control room would be on the center of a hall? Catalyst resides in the Citadel. It is not citadel itself so the "citadel control unit" doesn't have to be the same interface

[Nefelius]

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556, You're one of the few others on this particular thread that seems to be willing to actually stand up for the theory and provide evidence as to why, for this i thank you. Endlessly. I'm leaving you in charge now, i'm going to go eat something since i've been trying to set these people down a decent path for the past 4 hours to effectively no avail. Happy hunting.

I wasnt really planning to put to much effort into it really, Ive done that enough already in other threads the past days. I was hoping someone who is so against this theory wouldve actually come up with a counterargument that isnt 'plotholes' or 'I dont like it cos it gives no closure so its not true'. But I was mistaken, and now people just keep on repeating the same questions on and on and on that have already been answered countless times in other threads.
Hell, everytime I present a proper argument here the debate ends in some childish remark eventually, I cant really be bothered to respond to that.

At this point, i agree with you, i'm getting the heck out and carrying on with my life until bioware releases the real ending. I, like you, came here expecting to find that someone had found actual evidence that the theory is false. Instead i found outright denial, child like whineing and repetition of the phrase "grasping at straws" used to an extent that it has probably left a physical mark on my brain. My advice, get out now, i'll be right behind you.

How is the statement "Lack of facts" and "The only fact we have is VI says you are not indoc-ed, there are simply no other" is childish and not enough evidence to dismiss the theory?

[Smiley556]

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556, You're one of the few others on this particular thread that seems to be willing to actually stand up for the theory and provide evidence as to why, for this i thank you. Endlessly. I'm leaving you in charge now, i'm going to go eat something since i've been trying to set these people down a decent path for the past 4 hours to effectively no avail. Happy hunting.

I wasnt really planning to put to much effort into it really, Ive done that enough already in other threads the past days. I was hoping someone who is so against this theory wouldve actually come up with a counterargument that isnt 'plotholes' or 'I dont like it cos it gives no closure so its not true'. But I was mistaken, and now people just keep on repeating the same questions on and on and on that have already been answered countless times in other threads.
Hell, everytime I present a proper argument here the debate ends in some childish remark eventually, I cant really be bothered to respond to that.

At this point, i agree with you, i'm getting the heck out and carrying on with my life until bioware releases the real ending. I, like you, came here expecting to find that someone had found actual evidence that the theory is false. Instead i found outright denial, child like whineing and repetition of the phrase "grasping at straws" used to an extent that it has probably left a physical mark on my brain. My advice, get out now, i'll be right behind you.

*grasping at emergency induction ports.

[Smiley556]

Nefelius wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556, You're one of the few others on this particular thread that seems to be willing to actually stand up for the theory and provide evidence as to why, for this i thank you. Endlessly. I'm leaving you in charge now, i'm going to go eat something since i've been trying to set these people down a decent path for the past 4 hours to effectively no avail. Happy hunting.

I wasnt really planning to put to much effort into it really, Ive done that enough already in other threads the past days. I was hoping someone who is so against this theory wouldve actually come up with a counterargument that isnt 'plotholes' or 'I dont like it cos it gives no closure so its not true'. But I was mistaken, and now people just keep on repeating the same questions on and on and on that have already been answered countless times in other threads.
Hell, everytime I present a proper argument here the debate ends in some childish remark eventually, I cant really be bothered to respond to that.

At this point, i agree with you, i'm getting the heck out and carrying on with my life until bioware releases the real ending. I, like you, came here expecting to find that someone had found actual evidence that the theory is false. Instead i found outright denial, child like whineing and repetition of the phrase "grasping at straws" used to an extent that it has probably left a physical mark on my brain. My advice, get out now, i'll be right behind you.

How is the statement "Lack of facts" and "The only fact we have is VI says you are not indoc-ed, there are simply no other" is childish and not enough evidence to dismiss the theory?

Because the indoctrinaion theory states a ton of facts that are evidence to it and the VI saying your not indoctrinated is the most easy to answer question about the theory, and the most answered one. I think I have seen it asked and answered about 40 times on this forum already, please stop repeating yourself so we dont have to. Its like you asked the question 40 times, and if we dont feel like answering it 1 time out of the other 39 times we did answer it, you claim yourself victorious for us not presenting an answer.

I applaud you for your trolling though, you made me answer you again.

Modifié par Smiley556, 14 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[Naarad]

Urumashi wrote...
Instead i found outright denial, child like whineing and repetition of the phrase "grasping at straws" used to an extent that it has probably left a physical mark on my brain. My advice, get out now, i'll be right behind you.

Funny, it's pretty much what I've seen at the other end when presented with the fact that well, the indoctrination theory has as many flaws as the ending for some of us. It's only perfect on your heads because you want it to be. Which is, interestingly, the same argument you'd use against anyone that tells you the ending is perfect for their taste. 

[Astarmos]

Smiley556 wrote...

Because the indoctrinaion theory states a ton of facts that are evidence to it

So point it out. There are some thread with hundreds of pages and it is hard to find post with some statements.

[Nefelius]

I just don't get it.
People say to you: There are no real fact in the game concerning anything about Shep indoc. Besides the Prothean VI.
You've made a theory up, that lack ingame facts supporting it and you again call people that deny this names.
Your theory is made only of speculations concerning other ingame facts that have nothing to do with indoc. theme and again...

And you call people morons\\childish etc...

[Smiley556]

Naarad wrote...

Funny, it's pretty much what I've seen at the other end when presented with the fact that well, the indoctrination theory has as many flaws as the ending for some of us. 

Yet we never see one presented. 

[gmboy902]

 If you believe that the ending is a hallucination (not could be if BioWare decides to rectify their ending, but is as it stands), then you have to answer this:

Why would BioWare make a completely false ending? The only reason I can think of is paid DLC contributions, and I don't think (or at least, I hope) they aren't THAT greedy.

[Nefelius]

Smiley556 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Smiley556, You're one of the few others on this particular thread that seems to be willing to actually stand up for the theory and provide evidence as to why, for this i thank you. Endlessly. I'm leaving you in charge now, i'm going to go eat something since i've been trying to set these people down a decent path for the past 4 hours to effectively no avail. Happy hunting.

I wasnt really planning to put to much effort into it really, Ive done that enough already in other threads the past days. I was hoping someone who is so against this theory wouldve actually come up with a counterargument that isnt 'plotholes' or 'I dont like it cos it gives no closure so its not true'. But I was mistaken, and now people just keep on repeating the same questions on and on and on that have already been answered countless times in other threads.
Hell, everytime I present a proper argument here the debate ends in some childish remark eventually, I cant really be bothered to respond to that.

At this point, i agree with you, i'm getting the heck out and carrying on with my life until bioware releases the real ending. I, like you, came here expecting to find that someone had found actual evidence that the theory is false. Instead i found outright denial, child like whineing and repetition of the phrase "grasping at straws" used to an extent that it has probably left a physical mark on my brain. My advice, get out now, i'll be right behind you.

How is the statement "Lack of facts" and "The only fact we have is VI says you are not indoc-ed, there are simply no other" is childish and not enough evidence to dismiss the theory?

Because the indoctrinaion theory states a ton of facts that are evidence to it and the VI saying your not indoctrinated is the most easy to answer question about the theory, and the most answered one. I think I have seen it asked and answered about 40 times on this forum already, please stop repeating yourself so we dont have to. Its like you asked the question 40 times, and if we dont feel like answering it 1 time out of the other 39 times we did answer it, you claim yourself victorious for us not presenting an answer.

I applaud you for your trolling though, you made me answer you again.

Ow my god, please point me to any real FACT. And yes i've read your mega thread.
The ONLY REAL FACT IS THE VI.
How can't you get this?
When you see an apple - it's a fact that there is an apple in front of you.
When you think that in Japan there is an apple in some guy's hand - it's not a fact. It's your imagination.

Modifié par Nefelius, 14 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Deltateam Elcor]

I officially sanction IGNORING Nefelius, please do not reply to his comments, he speaks with little integrity.

[Naarad]

Smiley556 wrote...

Yet we never see one presented. 

Because you expect facts against something that was made up. It's like presenting facts against God's existence. You can't, same way you can't prove he exists. The game, what happens, at no point even hints at Shepard being indoctrinated. 

My fact is three games and their respective plots. 

Your facts are based on behind-the-scenes assumptions. Intepretations of sentences and twisting events of the game to present them from a different perspective based on your idea. 

[Smiley556]

gmboy902 wrote...

 If you believe that the ending is a hallucination (not could be if BioWare decides to rectify their ending, but is as it stands), then you have to answer this:

Why would BioWare make a completely false ending? The only reason I can think of is paid DLC contributions, and I don't think (or at least, I hope) they aren't THAT greedy.

Any answers to that by anyone would be pure speculation, so I'm not going to answer that. I can think of some possible reason but nobody really knows untill that happens. What I can say is that the ending at face value fails at giving closure and living up to biowares promises aswell, so its not really a valid argument against hallucination theory.

Anyway, since things are being repeated over and over, I will refer you over to this thread http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423 
The questions I see arise here have been discussed Many times over the course of that thread alone. Please seek for answers before asking more questions, we dont want to be endlessly repeating ourselves.

Modifié par Smiley556, 14 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[Nefelius]

Naarad wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Yet we never see one presented. 

Because you expect facts against something that was made up. It's like presenting facts against God's existence. You can't, same way you can't prove he exists. The game, what happens, at no point even hints at Shepard being indoctrinated. 

My fact is three games and their respective plots. 

Your facts are based on behind-the-scenes assumptions. Intepretations of sentences and twisting events of the game to present them from a different perspective based on your idea. 

i like this human.
He understands!

[Astarmos]

No body will read threads with hundreds of pages because some of the statements were disproved or proven but after 50 pages they are coming back like "mass relay explosion kills all". It is not connected with the indoctrination theory however it proves that some statements will return no matter how hard people will try to disprove it