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[MassEffect762]

Menasure: Wrong, it has to do with wanting answers and getting a lame cliffhanger. Regardless I'm tired of talking about biowares cash cow, I'm gonna go get a snack.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 28 novembre 2009 - 11:48 .

[Recidiva]

I agree. It would have been better to take Alistair with and maybe have the PC trip him or knock him down so that she could sacrifice herself.  Then he holds her lifeless body in his arms while displaying his emotional devastation.  That would have been a much more gratifying ending to a female PC that chose not to take Morrigan's offer.

Yes.  That.   He's not the only one that can be a selfishly uncompromising romantic martyr to the cause.  Pick a cause, any cause.  Ferelden has a war-seasoned and love-tested king now.  Love conquers all and leaves a good looking corpse.   I want my shot.  I earned it.

[Recidiva]

menasure wrote...

mm funny how some people are not able to think rationally instead of emotionally and end up blaming characters for their own views and visions on a story. do you blame a lion for eating a prey? i say it has much to do with survival (like in living all your life in the wilds) instead of wright or wrong

Heh.  I like immersing myself.
Reality is separate and not disrupted.
And yeah, I might not blame the lion, but if it starts chewing on bits of me I'll kill it, given the chance.

[Hamarabi2006]

menasure wrote...

mm funny how some people are not able to think rationally instead of emotionally and end up blaming characters for their own views and visions on a story. do you blame a lion for eating a prey? i say it has much to do with survival (like in living all your life in the wilds) instead of wright or wrong

No excuse.  Blaming the environment for your despicable behavior will gain no positive reaction from me.  If on the other hand, Morrigan turned out to be a good person despite her horrible up-bringing, she would earn my admiration.

[Drunkencelt]

Morrigan isn't a good or bad person. Infact, there are non in Dragon Age. Everyone makes choices based on the decision/enviroment. Allistar should know accepting Loghain in the Grey Wardens would not only further the Grey Wardens cause,unite the Kingdom,completely dispell his lies but he demands to be king just to execute someone.



You can't just put it all on one person you obviously already made your mind up about. Sten and other people make the same call at Redcliff.

[tmp7704]

Hamarabi2006 wrote...

No excuse.  Blaming the environment for your despicable behavior will gain no positive reaction from me.  If on the other hand, Morrigan turned out to be a good person despite her horrible up-bringing, she would earn my admiration.

How exactly do you turn into a 'good' person if the only person that ever teaches you anything only tells you that the 'bad' behaviour is actually how you're supposed to live?

I mean, in order to make educated choices you actually have to be educated about them in the first place. Morrigan isn't. She doesn't know what love, friendship, mercy etc is. (well technically she does but she's taught these are flaws, not virtues)

Modifié par tmp7704, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:01 .

[Hamarabi2006]

There are no good or bad people in Dragon Age? *rolls eyes*



Loghain deserved the death sentence for what he did. He was a good man at one time, that turned a treasonous murderous criminal who sold the elves into slavery.



Sten is a moron.

[The Angry One]

Excuses. Morrigan herself said she spent a ton of time secretly observing humans and their interactions. Her only lessons were not from Flemeth, that she emulates Flemeth is entirely her choice.

If only she'd do it *well*

[red8x]

menasure wrote...

mm funny how some people are not able to think rationally instead of emotionally and end up blaming characters for their own views and visions on a story. do you blame a lion for eating a prey? i say it has much to do with survival (like in living all your life in the wilds) instead of wright or wrong

She's supposed to be human, not some animal acting solely on instinct.  Theoretically there's a thinking brain in that head of hers and she has had human interactions.  Animals only have survival.  They don't make moral judgements.  Morrigan has an agenda.

[Hamarabi2006]

tmp7704 wrote...

How exactly do you turn into a 'good' person if the only person that ever teaches you anything only tells you that the 'bad' behaviour is actually how you're supposed to live?

I mean, in order to make educated choices you actually have to be educated about them in the first place. Morrigan isn't. She doesn't know what love, friendship, mercy etc is. (well technically she does but she's taught these are flaws, not virtues)

Morrigan travels with you on your quest to destroy the Arch Demon and had plenty of chance to learn, yet your good example has no effect on her twisted and selfish view point.  Her character never grew as a person for the entire journey.

[Drunkencelt]

The Angry One wrote...

Excuses. Morrigan herself said she spent a ton of time secretly observing humans and their interactions. Her only lessons were not from Flemeth, that she emulates Flemeth is entirely her choice.
If only she'd do it *well*

Seriously, you just hate the character no matter what it says or what transpires. The whole sequel probably could not change your opinion. Is it a woman thing or a she had to sleep with your Allistar thing?

[Drunkencelt]

Hamarabi2006 wrote...

There are no good or bad people in Dragon Age? *rolls eyes*

Loghain deserved the death sentence for what he did. He was a good man at one time, that turned a treasonous murderous criminal who sold the elves into slavery.

Sten is a moron.

The point of the game since development was the whole grey area, no black and white. Did Loghain deserve to die, sure. In no way was that what was best for Ferelden or the impending darkspawn battle.

[Drunkencelt]

Hamarabi2006 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

How exactly do you turn into a 'good' person if the only person that ever teaches you anything only tells you that the 'bad' behaviour is actually how you're supposed to live?

I mean, in order to make educated choices you actually have to be educated about them in the first place. Morrigan isn't. She doesn't know what love, friendship, mercy etc is. (well technically she does but she's taught these are flaws, not virtues)

Morrigan travels with you on your quest to destroy the Arch Demon and had plenty of chance to learn, yet your good example has no effect on her twisted and selfish view point.  Her character never grew as a person for the entire journey.

You clearly never even played the game past Lothering with her in your party. Did you even talk to her at camp?

[tmp7704]

The Angry One wrote...

Excuses. Morrigan herself said she spent a ton of time secretly observing humans and their interactions. Her only lessons were not from Flemeth, that she emulates Flemeth is entirely her choice.

She spends time observing people but in order to learn you need to have grasp on the underlying concepts. Otherwise what you observe simply makes no sense to you. She couldn't even make sense out of things like handshakes, for example.

[KyoZ]

Hamarabi2006 wrote...

There are no good or bad people in Dragon Age? *rolls eyes*

Loghain deserved the death sentence for what he did. He was a good man at one time, that turned a treasonous murderous criminal who sold the elves into slavery.

Sten is a moron.

Good and Evil is subjective to the beholder I'm afraid.

Loghain wasn't evil. He did all of that stuff because he thought it was the right thing to do. He retreated at Ostagar because he believed that the battle would be lost, and him staying there to get slaughtered would be a waste. He slave traded to get money for his army to fight the Darkspawn.

[The Angry One]

Drunkencelt wrote...

Seriously, you just hate the character no matter what it says or what transpires. The whole sequel probably could not change your opinion. Is it a woman thing or a she had to sleep with your Allistar thing?

It's a "I hate iredeemably evil and stupid people who get away with blue murder because the plot says so" thing.

[jinix the younger]

I'm in love with Morrigan - she's very cool and hot too!

[tmp7704]

Hamarabi2006 wrote...

Morrigan travels with you on your quest to destroy the Arch Demon and had plenty of chance to learn, yet your good example has no effect on her twisted and selfish view point.  Her character never grew as a person for the entire journey.

My character ended good friends with her while at the beginning of the journey she considered friendship to be bizarre weakness. I'd say that's quite a fundamental change and one i was happy to see. She was grateful for giving her that experience, too.

If you didn't bother to befriend her.... well, it takes two people so if she didn't learn anything from you then maybe it's not exactly fair to pile the whole blame on her.

Modifié par tmp7704, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:18 .

[Hamarabi2006]

Drunkencelt wrote...

The point of the game since development was the whole grey area, no black and white. Did Loghain deserve to die, sure. In no way was that what was best for Ferelden or the impending darkspawn battle.

Oh, but it was the best way.  He was rightfully punished.  The right message was sent: no matter if you were a once hero, that fact does not excuse treason, betrayal of the king, assassination attempts of royalty, or slavery operations in the Alienage.  Loghain was a despicable evil man and the Arch Demon was destroyed despite his ignorance and evil shenanigans.  The people were freed from his oppression.

[red8x]

KyoZ wrote...

Hamarabi2006 wrote...

There are no good or bad people in Dragon Age? *rolls eyes*

Loghain deserved the death sentence for what he did. He was a good man at one time, that turned a treasonous murderous criminal who sold the elves into slavery.

Sten is a moron.

Good and Evil is subjective to the beholder I'm afraid.

Loghain wasn't evil. He did all of that stuff because he thought it was the right thing to do. He retreated at Ostagar because he believed that the battle would be lost, and him staying there to get slaughtered would be a waste. He slave traded to get money for his army to fight the Darkspawn.

I honestly don't understand that argument.

So long as a person thinks that murdering, poisoning, enslaving, etc. is the right thing to do then they are what? not evil?  and someone who is not evil must be... the opposite of evil.... good?

So Loghain is ....good?

What does it take to be evil these days?  

[KyoZ]

You missed the point entirely. I never said he was good either. The whole point is, he is neither.

[stevej713]

Everything I could possibly do that was not directly involved with the main quest caused disapproval with Morrigan, but in order to survive the ending, I had to have sex with her. Wow.

[tmp7704]

red8x wrote...

What does it take to be evil these days?  

As clearly evidenced by this very thread one is evil if they go "Disapproves: -5" in response to player's decisions.

[MassEffect762]

I have to agree with The Angry One.


My viewpoint.(not necessarily Angrys)

Too many Fanboys, Too many unanswered questions, Morrigan too retarded.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:27 .

[red8x]

tmp7704 wrote...

red8x wrote...

What does [/i]it take to be evil these days?  [i]

As clearly evidenced by this very thread one is evil if they go "Disapproves: -5" in response to player's decisions.

funny!