The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Pick the lock or break it in. For a well-armed party, it's child's play.
It's a secret passage built for nobility, not a cheese cellar door.
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Either way, it's made of wood.
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Either way, it's made of wood.The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Pick the lock or break it in. For a well-armed party, it's child's play.
It's a secret passage built for nobility, not a cheese cellar door.
Few87 wrote...
This may not be a case of bad writing just a lack of choice. There is no real way you can arrive at redcliffe and not end up either annoying morrigan or being amazingly evil. All they had to do was make some way of convincing teagan to tell you about the secret way into the castle or convince him to storm the castle now or maybe even something completly different. The way morrigan reacts does follow her personality and is understandable, this is just quite a linear part of the game. and yes i do know you can just walk away but thats not really much of a choice is it.
Look at it. It's clearly wood.Poubo wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Either way, it's made of wood.The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Pick the lock or break it in. For a well-armed party, it's child's play.
It's a secret passage built for nobility, not a cheese cellar door.
no its not...
Hmm i can't really recall a single instance of that. Especially snce it's the player's character and not her making the calls, she just tends to react to them with commentary?Akka le Vil wrote...
Actually, she seems rather to actively kill people she doesn't like.
There's that trolling again. It really does get you nowhere.The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Either way, it's made of wood.
So was the Phylactery chamber door in the mage origin.
Do you even have a point anymore or are you just grasping at straws?
Because by the time you explored it out, you can find out the problem and end Connor in a matter of minutes.Poubo wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Pick the lock or break it in. For a well-armed party, it's child's play.
It's a secret passage built for nobility, not a cheese cellar door.
but maybe it was a secret cheese cellar door!
but to TCG, how would you even know it lead to the castle? without "wasting" time exploring. which would probably take you all day anyway, by which point why not just defend the village and weaken the castles defences?
Few87 wrote...
This may not be a case of bad writing just a lack of choice. There is no real way you can arrive at redcliffe and not end up either annoying morrigan or being amazingly evil. All they had to do was make some way of convincing teagan to tell you about the secret way into the castle or convince him to storm the castle now or maybe even something completly different. The way morrigan reacts does follow her personality and is understandable, this is just quite a linear part of the game. and yes i do know you can just walk away but thats not really much of a choice is it.
Eh, it seems more like they wanted to have you play through the undead attack and then avoid writing a bunch of new options when you encounter Connor. There are a lot of ways it could have turned out, and the village saving just came out as a less important plot element. Pity.Herr Uhl wrote...
Few87 wrote...
This may not be a case of bad writing just a lack of choice. There is no real way you can arrive at redcliffe and not end up either annoying morrigan or being amazingly evil. All they had to do was make some way of convincing teagan to tell you about the secret way into the castle or convince him to storm the castle now or maybe even something completly different. The way morrigan reacts does follow her personality and is understandable, this is just quite a linear part of the game. and yes i do know you can just walk away but thats not really much of a choice is it.
Yes, but the lack of options IS bad writing.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Few87 wrote...
This may not be a case of bad writing just a lack of choice. There is no real way you can arrive at redcliffe and not end up either annoying morrigan or being amazingly evil. All they had to do was make some way of convincing teagan to tell you about the secret way into the castle or convince him to storm the castle now or maybe even something completly different. The way morrigan reacts does follow her personality and is understandable, this is just quite a linear part of the game. and yes i do know you can just walk away but thats not really much of a choice is it.
Yes, but the lack of options IS bad writing.
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Because by the time you explored it out, you can find out the problem and end Connor in a matter of minutes.Poubo wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Pick the lock or break it in. For a well-armed party, it's child's play.
It's a secret passage built for nobility, not a cheese cellar door.
but maybe it was a secret cheese cellar door!
but to TCG, how would you even know it lead to the castle? without "wasting" time exploring. which would probably take you all day anyway, by which point why not just defend the village and weaken the castles defences?
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
There's that trolling again. It really does get you nowhere.The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Either way, it's made of wood.
So was the Phylactery chamber door in the mage origin.
Do you even have a point anymore or are you just grasping at straws?
Poubo wrote...
ok, so you get to connor, the village is destroyed, you kill him, thus making isolde and the arl hate you... and not willing to help your cause because theyve lost everything close to them. you've just wasted a day and havent gained a thing.
CONGRATULATIONS!
Modifié par Herr Uhl, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:16 .
Serenity84 wrote...
I don't really get this complaining about Morrigan's complaining. Yes, some of it seems inappropriate and wrong, but it's fairly inconsequential. You have plenty of opportunities to increase your influence with her.
And she isn't all uncaring. She just doesn't care for strangers. But if you talk to her and build a relationship with her (be it friendship or romance), she eventually has some nice things to say about you at certain occasions. And she admits that it doesn't come easy to her because she never learned how to really interact with people.
Losing the village? Really, that would put him over the top? It's a necessary expedient from some points of view, and you had no idea it would take so long to get into the castle. If Arl Eamon really doesn't want to help your war effort, you don't need him. He is a small power militarily, anyways.Poubo wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Because by the time you explored it out, you can find out the problem and end Connor in a matter of minutes.Poubo wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Pick the lock or break it in. For a well-armed party, it's child's play.
It's a secret passage built for nobility, not a cheese cellar door.
but maybe it was a secret cheese cellar door!
but to TCG, how would you even know it lead to the castle? without "wasting" time exploring. which would probably take you all day anyway, by which point why not just defend the village and weaken the castles defences?
ok, so you get to connor, the village is destroyed, you kill him, thus making isolde and the arl hate you... and not willing to help your cause because theyve lost everything close to them. you've just wasted a day and havent gained a thing.
CONGRATULATIONS!
The Angry One wrote...
Vilegrim wrote...
yes, remember Flemeth wants a new host, not a rival, Morrigan was raised to be that host.
By that logic why teach her anything at all?
Well, she WANTS the mages dead. You have to clear the tower anyway, but she is angry if you don't actively chose the option to kill them. She is happy when you take the most agressive options, even if it's not the most efficient. That's more than simply indifference to others, that's actively wishing them harm.tmp7704 wrote...
Hmm i can't really recall a single instance of that. Especially snce it's the player's character and not her making the calls, she just tends to react to them with commentary?
Modifié par Akka le Vil, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:21 .
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Losing the village? Really, that would put him over the top? It's a necessary expedient from some points of view, and you had no idea it would take so long to get into the castle. If Arl Eamon really doesn't want to help your war effort, you don't need him. He is a small power militarily, anyways.
However, if you want to pursue this path, it creates an inordinate amount of writing and development later on. Railing it is fine.
Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:24 .
You assume and assume and assume. I prefer discovery, but I know the limits of discovery are fairly close in a story-driven RPG.The Angry One wrote...
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Losing the village? Really, that would put him over the top? It's a necessary expedient from some points of view, and you had no idea it would take so long to get into the castle. If Arl Eamon really doesn't want to help your war effort, you don't need him. He is a small power militarily, anyways.
However, if you want to pursue this path, it creates an inordinate amount of writing and development later on. Railing it is fine.
This coming from the guy who advocates omnisciently finding the secret passage into the castle and being able to lockpick/break a door designed to only be opened by one noble family so it couldn't possibly be reinforced or magically warded or anything.
Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:24 .
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