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[Nighthunteer]

Hey everyone!

So, this is something i just found that may or may not be vital to the indoctrination theory!
In 2 of the ME endings, the syntesis and the control - pay close attention to Shepards eyes!
Something happens to them that the is not there in the destory ending.

Now, I mad a pic and added Illusive man - tho his eyes have been like that since ME 2, but take a look!

http://img546.images.../7935/profl.jpg

<--- Synt ending, illusive man, Control ending --->

^_____________^

Edit: THERE IS MORE! Consider the difference of grafics!

 

Modifié par Nighthunteer, 14 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[Nighthunteer]

Great, I missed and took the wrong one - 1 sec! let me get the one with synt ending as well!

Edit: There we are!

Modifié par Nighthunteer, 14 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[forthary]

Ok, so um...I'm clearly missing out on something. What is so special about the picture? The eyes?

[Avissel]

Yes, he is saying that Shepard's eyes take on the strange appearance many people noted about TIM's eyes when he appeared back in 2.

[Nighthunteer]

forthary wrote...

Ok, so um...I'm clearly missing out on something. What is so special about the picture? The eyes?

Well, the indoctrination theory is that the two other endings that are not destroyed - makes Shepard accept the reapers indoctrination, and they are also the ones that turns his eyes into the same shape as the Illusive mans eyes - who we know for sure, is indoctrinatied!

[Rhod747]

TIM was indoctrinated. Shepard was being indoctrinated by choosing Synthesis or control. Destruction is the option to break the indcotrination and save the galaxy (that's just a theory, but this evidence prooves it even more!)

Nice find.

[luukee]

I always assumed that TIM eyes were some badass high-tech implants not a form of indoctrination, but I could be wrong of course.

Modifié par luukee, 14 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[Nighthunteer]

luukee wrote...

I always assumed that TIM eyes were some badass hi-tech implants not a form of indoctrination, but I could be wrong of course.

That is what i always assumed as well, but why would Shepards eyes become the same as his in both endings! Also, Joker gets green eyes when the synt ending is taken - not like these.

This could mean that TIM was indoctrinated since pre-ME 2

[luukee]

Nighthunteer wrote...

luukee wrote...

I always assumed that TIM eyes were some badass hi-tech implants not a form of indoctrination, but I could be wrong of course.

That is what i always assumed as well, but why would Shepards eyes become the same as his in both endings! Also, Joker gets green eyes when the synt ending is taken - not like these.

This could mean that TIM was indoctrinated since pre-ME 2

By Joker getting similar eyes makes me think that TIM eyes are technology, as Joker in that scenario is now part synthetic, part organic. 

[thesnake777]

No TIM was not indoctrinated....no one who is indoctrinated works so hard to destroy the reapers...

[Nighthunteer]

thesnake777 wrote...

No TIM was not indoctrinated....no one who is indoctrinated works so hard to destroy the reapers...

Did you miss the ending? Where the star-kid said that TIM could never control the reapers, since they already controlled him. What else could that mean?

It goes like:
Shep - "So the illusive man was right after all...."
Starkid - "Yes, but he could have never taken control, for we already controlled him."

Modifié par Nighthunteer, 14 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[Tleining]

uhm, Shepards eyes were like that since after the resurrection back in ME2. If you brought your Renegade Points up, you could see three red lights in Sheps eyes. With the plastic surgery/scars healed it wasn't visible, but Shepard was at least half synthetic after the lazarus Project.

[MikaelNovasun]

Read the Mass Effect Evolution comics. TIM gets his eyes from almost becoming a husk when trying to save a friend from a reaper artifact. Look at the eyes of a husk sometime, they closely resemble TIM's.

[Nighthunteer]

MikaelNovasun wrote...

Read the Mass Effect Evolution comics. TIM gets his eyes from almost becoming a husk when trying to save a friend from a reaper artifact. Look at the eyes of a husk sometime, they closely resemble TIM's.

If that is true, then I think I am really onto something here!

[Kaykee]

I had thought that they were implants of some kind as well, but this makes a looooot of sense.

[Rhod747]

It could be possible that, if the Mass Effect Evolution comics are actual canon (never read them myself) and he almost got turned into a husk, that he actualy was actualy indoctrinated 'instead', and that Shepard was somehow being indoctrinated since the start of ME2, where possibly TIM put something in Shepard during the re-building process small enough so nobody could notice but big enough to slowly indoctrinate Shepard? That's a far fetched theory, but it's a possibility.

[Nighthunteer]

Where is the main indoc thread? Id like to post it there, but cant seem to find it ^__^

[Valk72]

One more argument for the indoctrination theory, one!

[Rhod747]

http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423

That is the main thread on the indoctrination theory.

[thesnake777]

Nighthunteer wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

No TIM was not indoctrinated....no one who is indoctrinated works so hard to destroy the reapers...

Did you miss the ending? Where the star-kid said that TIM could never control the reapers, since they already controlled him. What else could that mean?

It goes like:
Shep - "So the illusive man was right after all...."
Starkid - "Yes, but he could have never taken control, for we already controlled him."

I was referring to the ME2 comment

I also dont pay attention to a single word the reaper child says

TIM was under the Reapers "control"... thats why they needed to send forces to shut down all his reaserch facilites....(a little sarcasm)

in evolution he gets his eyes and can understand Reaper Tech but in the novels he begins to augment himself with more and more reaper tech..... and yet he still actively opposes the Reapers so I miss just how he was indoctrinated...
 

Modifié par thesnake777, 14 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[Cobra's_back]

MikaelNovasun wrote...

Read the Mass Effect Evolution comics. TIM gets his eyes from almost becoming a husk when trying to save a friend from a reaper artifact. Look at the eyes of a husk sometime, they closely resemble TIM's.

True.

[Valk72]

thesnake777 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

No TIM was not indoctrinated....no one who is indoctrinated works so hard to destroy the reapers...

Did you miss the ending? Where the star-kid said that TIM could never control the reapers, since they already controlled him. What else could that mean?

It goes like:
Shep - "So the illusive man was right after all...."
Starkid - "Yes, but he could have never taken control, for we already controlled him."

I was referring to the ME2 comment

I also dont pay attention to a single word the reaper child says

TIM was under the reapers "control"... thats why they needed to send forces to shut down all his reaserch facilites....

I don't think he always was indoctrinated. But the moment he changed his objective from destroying the reapers to control them he became indoctrinated.

[Nighthunteer]

Valk72 wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

No TIM was not indoctrinated....no one who is indoctrinated works so hard to destroy the reapers...

Did you miss the ending? Where the star-kid said that TIM could never control the reapers, since they already controlled him. What else could that mean?

It goes like:
Shep - "So the illusive man was right after all...."
Starkid - "Yes, but he could have never taken control, for we already controlled him."

I was referring to the ME2 comment

I also dont pay attention to a single word the reaper child says

TIM was under the reapers "control"... thats why they needed to send forces to shut down all his reaserch facilites....

I don't think he always was indoctrinated. But the moment he changed his objective from destroying the reapers to control them he became indoctrinated.

Do we actully know that was not his plan all along?
I remember seeing a smirk on his face when looking at the Collector base I spared on my second ME 2 playthrough.

[SidNitzerglobin]

luukee wrote...

I always assumed that TIM eyes were some badass high-tech implants not a form of indoctrination, but I could be wrong of course.

Yeah I was always looking for the Zeiss logo on them.  Kind of a nod to Palmer Eldritch/PKD...

[Spruebox]

Nighthunteer wrote...

This could mean that TIM was indoctrinated since pre-ME 2

I really doubt he was fully indoctrinated in ME2 (if at all), as that would make it the dumbest game ever created (you're fighting the Collectors, who are working for the Reapers, because you're working for TIM, who is working for the Reapers...).  There might have been moments when the Reaps broke through if there were issues with indoctrination (like the Collector Ship trap), but I think he was mostly himself up until he got the surgery in ME3.