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[Zyrious]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

If it's artistic license, you could say that just as easily for the endings as is. CGI progammer see's "Easter Egg: Shepard lives, buried in rubble, dont see face or arms, just armor, takes breath". CGI uses stereotypical rubble. The end. No hints, no clues, just a ending for those who wanted shepard to live, following the old 80's style of "wait, he's still alive!" easter egg, as tweeted by a dev.

you COULD see it a different way. but is that way better?

i would rather choose the fully functional and plausable indoc theory then to just stay bitter and cling to "bad writing" and "bad CGI programming"   there is no proof in 3 games that would even suggest its possible for bioware to mess up the ending as badly as you suggest.

if their is blame to be had then its bioware for making indoc a little to hard to come up with on your own. a little to ambigous, but if it wasn't then nobody would fall for indoctrination and you really would have one ending.

Dude i am a huge bioware fan, but look at many great works that had craptastic endings. Heck, far greater writers than bioware have completely changed their endings as a result, there's another thread dealing with this. You're falling back on the premise that "Bioware couldn't screw up the ending" but that is very well possible. It happens. Bioware has screwed up plots before, but i have never heard of them witholding the ending of a game.

You are actually theorizing that they are more out of character than they would be if the endings just are as they are.. Bad writing happens. Especially with endings. You are saying you are indoctrinated, only get a "hint" of this with a generic easter egg in 1 ending, which is then nullified with the post-reaper stargazer scene, and then the actual ending has been withheld and you aren't even really given much of a direct hint of what's to come if said theory is true.

You have to admit it's a huge leap of logic. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not really, imo.

Modifié par Zyrious, 15 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[shamE12]

I N D O C T R I N A T I O N 

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
he blows up the citadel in his mind, indoc is defeated and now his mind continues to dream the rest of the happy thoughts of victory and peace.

then he wakes up into the dark, mature and gritty world of ME again

That would be the worst possible ending.

Bioware shows the player a cutscene of the Reapers being beaten, but then it actually turns out that instead of beating the Reapers, Shepard was imagining. 

Then, before we actually get a chance to finish the story, the credits roll.

I'm sorry, but thats even worse than what we got.

Not if their plan all along was to patch the game with the real ending at a later date.

This has been discussed so many times. You people keep coming on here and saying that we're saying that this is all we are going to get. No. We're saying that BW will release a DLC/patch that gives us the real ending.

this, so totally this

Yeah, the company so totally decided to release an incomplete game by adding more plot holes, they were just giving us the fake game! LOL joke's on us! Buy my stuff baby!

ALL ALONG IT WAS ALL A SCHEME!

[Candidate 88766]

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
he blows up the citadel in his mind, indoc is defeated and now his mind continues to dream the rest of the happy thoughts of victory and peace.

then he wakes up into the dark, mature and gritty world of ME again

That would be the worst possible ending.

Bioware shows the player a cutscene of the Reapers being beaten, but then it actually turns out that instead of beating the Reapers, Shepard was imagining. 

Then, before we actually get a chance to finish the story, the credits roll.

I'm sorry, but thats even worse than what we got.

Not if their plan all along was to patch the game with the real ending at a later date.

This has been discussed so many times. You people keep coming on here and saying that we're saying that this is all we are going to get. No. We're saying that BW will release a DLC/patch that gives us the real ending.

Why?

Why would Bioware plan all along not to include the real ending if they're just going to put it in a little later?

What possible logic is there for that?

Just put aside your desire for this theory to be true, and think logically.

Mass Effect 3 is the conclusion to one of Bioware's most popular and successful franchises. It is arguably the most widely anticipated game they've ever done. They are a developer with a reputation for their writing and stories. And you're telling me that despite all this, they would decide to release it without its true ending?

Just consider the implications of what you're suggesting - that the people who have spent years making the Mass Effect series felt okay releasing it without its ending.

How can people not see just how illogical that is?

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 15 mars 2012 - 12:34 .

[Tiax Rules All]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

That is bad writing one way or the other, and it doesnt make sense. If indoctrination theory is true, you wouldnt do Stargazer because it would break the feeling of threat from the reapers before actually finishing the conflict with them. If the reapers are still attacking the stargazer scene completely nullifies any future conflict against them and ruins the emotional tie to the conflict.

If you are an author and indoctrination is your goal,  you dont do Stargazer. Its that simple imo.

I agree with this.

If the stargazer scene is in the future, after Shepard wakes up and beats the Reapers, then WHY NOT SHOW THAT?

Why would Bioware cut the story from Shepard waking up to the Reapers being beaten, without actually showing the Reapers being beaten?

And it makes no sense whatsoever for it to be shown if Shepard fails to beat indoctrination.

dlc bro... they will have more story. and that story will still end in reapers loosing, but for those who choose not to buy the dlc, then stargazer wraps it for you instead of being forced into dlc.. its an option

What makes more sense if the theory is true:

-Showing Shepard waking up on the same patch of Earth as before, bathed in a blue glow from the Conduit so its clear he's in the same spot

-Showing Shepard waking up somewhere entirely different in London

If Bioware was trying to hint that this theory is true, its blatantly obvious they'd go for the first option.

they are assuming their audience is mature and smart enough to get it as is in its vague way.

guess they were wrong

guess they really did need the dragon age text slideshow to spell it all out

ROFL...so accepting your self-made plotholes is mature and they need to just "get it", but just taking the game for what it is, makes people immature? HAHAHAHAHA.

i believe im right. if Bioware tells me im wrong then i will admit it and apologise.

but i cant hide the fact that if im right and this is the real take on the ending. then you guys are actually mad at bioware for doing something the actually didnt do.

you would be hating on withcer 2's ending in Mass effec basically. cause your not seeing whats in front of you.

[Smiley556]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...


ROFL...so accepting your self-made plotholes is mature and they need to just "get it", but just taking the game for what it is, makes people immature? HAHAHAHAHA.

I dont think I have to point out what is infact immature about this post. Then again we are having to point out an awfull lot so far havent we?

[Candidate 88766]

Smiley556 wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
he blows up the citadel in his mind, indoc is defeated and now his mind continues to dream the rest of the happy thoughts of victory and peace.

then he wakes up into the dark, mature and gritty world of ME again

That would be the worst possible ending.

Bioware shows the player a cutscene of the Reapers being beaten, but then it actually turns out that instead of beating the Reapers, Shepard was imagining. 

Then, before we actually get a chance to finish the story, the credits roll.

I'm sorry, but thats even worse than what we got.

You stop using your logic here! Stop it! It was indoctrination! Who cares if that makes it a way worse ending and makes no sense! Stop it!

Man, your first post in this thread made me have such high hopes of you. I actually thought we would have someone present us with a mature discussion about this subject. There goes that illusion...

Was that directed at him or me?

[Hudathan]

If the hidden ending reveals that Shepard is indeed still in London, then he/she doesn't even need to be indoctrinated, they can simply be on the verge of death and dreaming it all before coming to their senses. So the real questions is whether or not the fact that Shepard seems to be laying among Earth rubble is mere coincidence or something else altogether.

[Genshie]

Not trying to be a party pooper but this is the General Discussion board (No Spoilers). I am pretty sure someone has said that here already if not then oh well.

[ShepGep]

jzzabelle wrote...

"You can continue to build Shepard's legend through further gameplay and downloadable content"

/EA trollface

MY thoughts exactly. This still isn't an ending. So...after he takes a breath while laying in London and with all of it being a hallucination of him wrestling with indoctrination...then what? We just assume via a text message saying he's a legend that he defeated the reapers? Lol really? What about the crew? Galaxy? How did he defeat the reapers? Did he really? We have no idea.

[Smiley556]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Was that directed at him or me?

At him, sorry if that wasnt clear.

[hex23]

I believe in indoctrination theory but I will play Devil's advocate for a sec.

Let's say the end should be taken at face value. It 100% happened. This still doesn't explain Star Gazer...but let's roll with it all being real for a second.

The problem with that is, Bioware has been tweeting nonstop hinting that we don't have the full picture.

Look at this Chris Priestly tweet from today:

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872

Jessica Merizan:
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152

The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338

This has been going on nonstop for the last 2 days. Some might say "oh, this is PR"....but you can't really. PR wouldn't get that specific about us not understanding what we've seen, yet.

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Genshie wrote...

Not trying to be a party pooper but this is the General Discussion board (No Spoilers). I am pretty sure someone has said that here already if not then oh well.

One...wtf. No it isn't.

Two, stop it.

[Candidate 88766]

Smiley556 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Was that directed at him or me?

At him, sorry if that wasnt clear.

No worries. I had people having a go at me yesterday simply for disagreeing with the theory.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Why?

Why would Bioware plan all along not to include the real ending if they're just going to put it in a little later?

What possible logic is there for that?

Just put aside your desire for this theory to be true, and think logically.

Mass Effect 3 is the conclusion to one of Bioware's most popular and successful franchises. It is arguably the most widely anticipated game they've ever done. They are a developer with a reputation for their writing and stories. And you're telling me that despite all this, they would decide to release it without its true ending?

Just consider the implications of what you're suggesting - that the people who have spent years making the Mass Effect series felt okay releasing it without its ending.

How can people not see just how illogical that is?

Mass Effect 3 DLC is still mass effect 3. so if the real ending is in a conclusion dlc. stating ME3 is the end of the series is still true.

its not illogical to think they would use the (insanely profitable) DLC model to get every last penny out of ME fans before the end the serie.

[Smiley556]

Genshie wrote...

Not trying to be a party pooper but this is the General Discussion board (No Spoilers). I am pretty sure someone has said that here already if not then oh well.

I think your in the wrong forum. This is "Mass Effect 3 Story and Campaign Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)"

Modifié par Smiley556, 15 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Chrisimo]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

That is bad writing one way or the other, and it doesnt make sense. If indoctrination theory is true, you wouldnt do Stargazer because it would break the feeling of threat from the reapers before actually finishing the conflict with them. If the reapers are still attacking the stargazer scene completely nullifies any future conflict against them and ruins the emotional tie to the conflict.

If you are an author and indoctrination is your goal,  you dont do Stargazer. Its that simple imo.

I agree with this.

If the stargazer scene is in the future, after Shepard wakes up and beats the Reapers, then WHY NOT SHOW THAT?

Why would Bioware cut the story from Shepard waking up to the Reapers being beaten, without actually showing the Reapers being beaten?

And it makes no sense whatsoever for it to be shown if Shepard fails to beat indoctrination.

dlc bro... they will have more story. and that story will still end in reapers loosing, but for those who choose not to buy the dlc, then stargazer wraps it for you instead of being forced into dlc.. its an option

What makes more sense if the theory is true:

-Showing Shepard waking up on the same patch of Earth as before, bathed in a blue glow from the Conduit so its clear he's in the same spot

-Showing Shepard waking up somewhere entirely different in London

If Bioware was trying to hint that this theory is true, its blatantly obvious they'd go for the first option.

they are assuming their audience is mature and smart enough to get it as is in its vague way.

guess they were wrong

guess they really did need the dragon age text slideshow to spell it all out

Why did they add the rubble?

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

hex23 wrote...

I believe in indoctrination theory but I will play Devil's advocate for a sec.

Let's say the end should be taken at face value. It 100% happened. This still doesn't explain Star Gazer...but let's roll with it all being real for a second.

The problem with that is, Bioware has been tweeting nonstop hinting that we don't have the full picture.

Look at this Chris Priestly tweet from today:

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872

Jessica Merizan:
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152

The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338

This has been going on nonstop for the last 2 days. Some might say "oh, this is PR"....but you can't really. PR wouldn't get that specific about us not understanding what we've seen, yet.

This kills your thoughts on a new ending:

https://twitter.com/...973280311156737

[Smiley556]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Was that directed at him or me?

At him, sorry if that wasnt clear.

No worries. I had people having a go at me yesterday simply for disagreeing with the theory.

I wouldnt be part of the discussion if I couldnt cope with people disagreeing with me. I enjoy the debate at an intellectual level. Thats why Im dissapointed why this man is resorting to extremely childish behaviour.

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

All those statuses seem to indicate a new ME game/spinoff, not a new ending IMO.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Why?

Why would Bioware plan all along not to include the real ending if they're just going to put it in a little later?

What possible logic is there for that?

Just put aside your desire for this theory to be true, and think logically.

Mass Effect 3 is the conclusion to one of Bioware's most popular and successful franchises. It is arguably the most widely anticipated game they've ever done. They are a developer with a reputation for their writing and stories. And you're telling me that despite all this, they would decide to release it without its true ending?

Just consider the implications of what you're suggesting - that the people who have spent years making the Mass Effect series felt okay releasing it without its ending.

How can people not see just how illogical that is?

Mass Effect 3 DLC is still mass effect 3. so if the real ending is in a conclusion dlc. stating ME3 is the end of the series is still true.

its not illogical to think they would use the (insanely profitable) DLC model to get every last penny out of ME fans before the end the serie.

Firstly, you're still missing the fundamental point I'm making - why make the ending DLC at all?

You cannot possibly believe that Bioware would charge full price for a game they intentionally left unifinished just so they could make a little extra money later. Can you even imagine the backlash?

There is no reason at all to deliberatly not include the ending won the discs.

It would be like removing and then charging extra for the last chapter of a book, or the ending of a film.

[Smiley556]

Can people please refrain from using extremely long pyramid quotes? Its really unnesary to quote the 6 people before the person you are responding to for a single line comment.

[Deventh]

You guys saw this?

[TheDove]

I wanted Shepard to die.

Everything about the ending was off. Everything.

[Bigdoser]

Deventh wrote...

You guys saw this?

Very interesting......