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[Chrisimo]

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

I'd say a smart player could view this as an attempt to create this kind of discussion. They don't want to show anything conclusive. They want to have options for the future.

[Smiley556]

savionen wrote...

That's why it's either another screw-up, or Shepard never actually went to the Citadel. I really doubt they'd act like Shepard fell out of the Citadel, landed on Earth AND lived, after in ME2 they showed that Shepard would not live through the atmosphere. Shepard taking a breath shows more of that, too. At the beginning of ME2 Shepard is basically a half of a skeleton with some flesh still attached.

The planet shep 'landed' on in ME2 didnt even have an atmosphere and was allot smaller than earth (more akin to the moon). Its safe to assume falling to earth would be allot worse, and, well, suffice to say, his fall in ME2 didnt really leave him in perfect health...

[Rafe34]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

UnevenElefant5 wrote...

The thing with the indoctrination theory is that if they really wanted to make shepard choose the options they set out, they wouldn't have told him those options would destroy the relays. They would have tried to make the destroy ending seem really unappealing. As it stands, the destroy option was the MOST appealing (for me at least).

Actually since we're here, why didn't the Reaper just kill Shepard? Why take the chance that the indoctrination could fail?

Because there are a bazillion holes with Indoc. theory, all way more glaring than in the game itself, but shhhh.

More glaring than the holes in the game itself? Which ones? Stargazer? I would give you that. Which else?

Shep waking up in a different place.
2/3 endings making no sense, because Shep sees the same stuff (minus wake-up) in all 3. So if he gets indoc'd, I'd imagine his vision would be quite a bit different from fighting it off.
Humanity beating the Reapers without Shep
Reapers not just killing Shep
Shep waking up and fighting his way back to the beam solo
etc., etc.

1. How does Shep wake up on earth if the endings are real? Its not possible for you to survive a fall from space. He doesn't wake up in a different place, why do you assume its a different place?
2. You imagine incorrectly. All 3 endings he is just imagining his friends getting to safety. If you're indoc'd your mind is broken. He'd still imagine his friends getting to safety. In the red ending, it's just him hoping they got out, then he wakes up.
3. Humanity doesn't beat the Reapers without Shep. As we've explained countless times, but you're apparently too dense to get it through your skull, we don't have the true ending yet, if Indoc is true. The story isn't over.
4. Reapers not killing Shep can be explained for a variety of reasons. #1- They want him as a powerful sleeper agent to help end this cycle quicker, for example. Remember how it said the Protheans fought for hundreds of years and sleeper agents are what finally finished them off?
5. Why do you assume we're going to use the beam? Why do you assume he'd be solo?

Another fail of basic logic, courtesy of stevesyanks, guys. 

Give him a hand.

[Tiax Rules All]

Rafe34 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...
Not if their plan all along was to patch the game with the real ending at a later date.

This has been discussed so many times. You people keep coming on here and saying that we're saying that this is all we are going to get. No. We're saying that BW will release a DLC/patch that gives us the real ending.

this, so totally this

I think you should put something like this in the OP so that maybe we don't have to answer this question umpteen more times.

Unless its already there and just being ignored.

done

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

savionen wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Steve, why the open hosility at Indoctrinators? It's one thing to believe we're wrong, it's another thing to be so mad, bro.

Would it be such a horrible thing if Shepard didn't press the final "Kill all Reapers" button in the end? If another soldier or some random grunt did? Would that really be so terrible? Would this guy or girl be the new hero of Mass Effect, and not the goddamned super-soldier who got them ALL there: Commander Shepard?

Whether Cmdr Shepard was the one to finally put a bullet in Harbinger's brai-er-skul-er-thingy or not, Shepard was the one who discovered the Reaper threat. Shepard was the one who tried to warn the Galaxy. Shepard was the one who stopped Sovereign from opening a back door to the Reaper fleet. Shepard was the one who stopped the Collectors. Shepard was the one who destroyed a Batarian System to stop the Reapers from jump starting their invasion. Shepard was the one who united a very divided Galaxy into one, cohesive Reaper battling force. Shepard was the one who discovered the purpose of the Crucible. Shepard was the one who killed the Reaper Destroyer that got Hammer the chance they needed to make the final run at the Conduit.

Even if after ALL THAT, Shepard dies, or is Indoctrinated, but the Reapers are still defeated, you think Shepard wasn't the hero, then there's something seriously wrong with you, not Indoc. Theorists.

Two things: Shep would be a villain if he chooses to be indoc'd, and that's not how it is presented in the ending
If Shep doesn't do it, who can? Everyone else fled. They even say that on the radio that everyone agrees is real - everyone is dead, and they are retreating. It was Shep or never.

He doesn't choose to be indoctrinated, he's being coerced. Indoctrination is hallucinations, things put in your brain that seem appealing. To an indoctrinated person they might think they are helping somebody by killing.

Choice or not, he still joins the bad guys 2/3 times. And either way, my second point still stands.

[Rockpopple]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Steve, why the open hosility at Indoctrinators? It's one thing to believe we're wrong, it's another thing to be so mad, bro.

Would it be such a horrible thing if Shepard didn't press the final "Kill all Reapers" button in the end? If another soldier or some random grunt did? Would that really be so terrible? Would this guy or girl be the new hero of Mass Effect, and not the goddamned super-soldier who got them ALL there: Commander Shepard?

Whether Cmdr Shepard was the one to finally put a bullet in Harbinger's brai-er-skul-er-thingy or not, Shepard was the one who discovered the Reaper threat. Shepard was the one who tried to warn the Galaxy. Shepard was the one who stopped Sovereign from opening a back door to the Reaper fleet. Shepard was the one who stopped the Collectors. Shepard was the one who destroyed a Batarian System to stop the Reapers from jump starting their invasion. Shepard was the one who united a very divided Galaxy into one, cohesive Reaper battling force. Shepard was the one who discovered the purpose of the Crucible. Shepard was the one who killed the Reaper Destroyer that got Hammer the chance they needed to make the final run at the Conduit.

Even if after ALL THAT, Shepard dies, or is Indoctrinated, but the Reapers are still defeated, you think Shepard wasn't the hero, then there's something seriously wrong with you, not Indoc. Theorists.

Two things: Shep would be a villain if he chooses to be indoc'd, and that's not how it is presented in the ending
If Shep doesn't do it, who can? Everyone else fled. They even say that on the radio that everyone agrees is real - everyone is dead, and they are retreating. It was Shep or never.

Steve, nobody CHOOSES to be Indoctrinated. That's the whole point of Indoctrination. TIM and Saren thought they were DOING THE RIGHT THING. That's how Indoctrination works. That's exactly how Indoctrination works. To break the mind and will of Commander Shepard, the person who embodies the Galaxy's fight against the Reapers, would be a great coup for them, but it wouldn't be Shepard's fault. That'd be like blaming someone for being raped.

As for if Shepard couldn't do it, who can... I posit this theory. If Shepard got KO'd by Harbinger's beam, that doesn't necessarily stop one of his squad mates from reaching the beam and opening the arms of the Citadel. If, as Indoc Theory holds, everything that happens after Harbinger's attack is a vision, then there might be no Catalyst. The Crucible might activate as soon as the arms are opened, and poof, no more Reapers. We don't know.

Shepard might be awesome, but as he kept saying, he's only human. He's not the only one in the Galaxy that can press a button.

[Tiax Rules All]

Rockpopple wrote...

Steve, why the open hosility at Indoctrinators? It's one thing to believe we're wrong, it's another thing to be so mad, bro.

Would it be such a horrible thing if Shepard didn't press the final "Kill all Reapers" button in the end? If another soldier or some random grunt did? Would that really be so terrible? Would this guy or girl be the new hero of Mass Effect, and not the goddamned super-soldier who got them ALL there: Commander Shepard?

Whether Cmdr Shepard was the one to finally put a bullet in Harbinger's brai-er-skul-er-thingy or not, Shepard was the one who discovered the Reaper threat. Shepard was the one who tried to warn the Galaxy. Shepard was the one who stopped Sovereign from opening a back door to the Reaper fleet. Shepard was the one who stopped the Collectors. Shepard was the one who destroyed a Batarian System to stop the Reapers from jump starting their invasion. Shepard was the one who united a very divided Galaxy into one, cohesive Reaper battling force. Shepard was the one who discovered the purpose of the Crucible. Shepard was the one who killed the Reaper Destroyer that got Hammer the chance they needed to make the final run at the Conduit.

Even if after ALL THAT, Shepard dies, or is Indoctrinated, but the Reapers are still defeated, you think Shepard wasn't the hero, then there's something seriously wrong with you, not Indoc. Theorists.

you were way more patient then me. hes just trolling now dude, we tried to appeal to his logical nature now hes making up arguements to distract from talking about the OP and issues that matter.

dont give into it anymore.

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Rafe34 wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

UnevenElefant5 wrote...

The thing with the indoctrination theory is that if they really wanted to make shepard choose the options they set out, they wouldn't have told him those options would destroy the relays. They would have tried to make the destroy ending seem really unappealing. As it stands, the destroy option was the MOST appealing (for me at least).

Actually since we're here, why didn't the Reaper just kill Shepard? Why take the chance that the indoctrination could fail?

Because there are a bazillion holes with Indoc. theory, all way more glaring than in the game itself, but shhhh.

More glaring than the holes in the game itself? Which ones? Stargazer? I would give you that. Which else?

Shep waking up in a different place.
2/3 endings making no sense, because Shep sees the same stuff (minus wake-up) in all 3. So if he gets indoc'd, I'd imagine his vision would be quite a bit different from fighting it off.
Humanity beating the Reapers without Shep
Reapers not just killing Shep
Shep waking up and fighting his way back to the beam solo
etc., etc.

1. How does Shep wake up on earth if the endings are real? Its not possible for you to survive a fall from space. He doesn't wake up in a different place, why do you assume its a different place?
2. You imagine incorrectly. All 3 endings he is just imagining his friends getting to safety. If you're indoc'd your mind is broken. He'd still imagine his friends getting to safety. In the red ending, it's just him hoping they got out, then he wakes up.
3. Humanity doesn't beat the Reapers without Shep. As we've explained countless times, but you're apparently too dense to get it through your skull, we don't have the true ending yet, if Indoc is true. The story isn't over.
4. Reapers not killing Shep can be explained for a variety of reasons. #1- They want him as a powerful sleeper agent to help end this cycle quicker, for example. Remember how it said the Protheans fought for hundreds of years and sleeper agents are what finally finished them off?
5. Why do you assume we're going to use the beam? Why do you assume he'd be solo?

Another fail of basic logic, courtesy of stevesyanks, guys. 

Give him a hand.

Hahaha, I failed at logic, and you have to invent conjecture and assumption for all 5 of your points, when everything I said is fact. They don't want him as a sleeper agent. And, once again, let's say they do. That means 2/3 times he becomes that very sleeper agent, thereby destroying humanity and allowing the Reapers to win.

You keep ignoring S G, but it's there pal. Sorry.

[Candidate 88766]

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

Exactly - the smart people are calling it out on what is: a plothole.

Also, for comparison:

This is a couple of seconds before Shepard is shot at by Harbinger. Not the relatively flat ground, devoid of large piles of rubble.


Now note the giant pile of rubble both under Shepard and behind Shepard, not to mention the piles of rubble shown when the camera pans towards his body.

These are clearly not the same place. No matter what theory you support, its a plothole. It does not make sense in the indoctrination theory any more than it does in the real endings.

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Rockpopple wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Steve, why the open hosility at Indoctrinators? It's one thing to believe we're wrong, it's another thing to be so mad, bro.

Would it be such a horrible thing if Shepard didn't press the final "Kill all Reapers" button in the end? If another soldier or some random grunt did? Would that really be so terrible? Would this guy or girl be the new hero of Mass Effect, and not the goddamned super-soldier who got them ALL there: Commander Shepard?

Whether Cmdr Shepard was the one to finally put a bullet in Harbinger's brai-er-skul-er-thingy or not, Shepard was the one who discovered the Reaper threat. Shepard was the one who tried to warn the Galaxy. Shepard was the one who stopped Sovereign from opening a back door to the Reaper fleet. Shepard was the one who stopped the Collectors. Shepard was the one who destroyed a Batarian System to stop the Reapers from jump starting their invasion. Shepard was the one who united a very divided Galaxy into one, cohesive Reaper battling force. Shepard was the one who discovered the purpose of the Crucible. Shepard was the one who killed the Reaper Destroyer that got Hammer the chance they needed to make the final run at the Conduit.

Even if after ALL THAT, Shepard dies, or is Indoctrinated, but the Reapers are still defeated, you think Shepard wasn't the hero, then there's something seriously wrong with you, not Indoc. Theorists.

Two things: Shep would be a villain if he chooses to be indoc'd, and that's not how it is presented in the ending
If Shep doesn't do it, who can? Everyone else fled. They even say that on the radio that everyone agrees is real - everyone is dead, and they are retreating. It was Shep or never.

Steve, nobody CHOOSES to be Indoctrinated. That's the whole point of Indoctrination. TIM and Saren thought they were DOING THE RIGHT THING. That's how Indoctrination works. That's exactly how Indoctrination works. To break the mind and will of Commander Shepard, the person who embodies the Galaxy's fight against the Reapers, would be a great coup for them, but it wouldn't be Shepard's fault. That'd be like blaming someone for being raped.

As for if Shepard couldn't do it, who can... I posit this theory. If Shepard got KO'd by Harbinger's beam, that doesn't necessarily stop one of his squad mates from reaching the beam and opening the arms of the Citadel. If, as Indoc Theory holds, everything that happens after Harbinger's attack is a vision, then there might be no Catalyst. The Crucible might activate as soon as the arms are opened, and poof, no more Reapers. We don't know.

Shepard might be awesome, but as he kept saying, he's only human. He's not the only one in the Galaxy that can press a button.

So are Saren & TiM villains, or not? Are they good guys? Heck no.

So, do we blame Saren & TiM? I do.

And re-watch the ending. Re-play the game. That was their final push. If that doesn't work, then nothing will.

[Candidate 88766]

Chrisimo wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

I'd say a smart player could view this as an attempt to create this kind of discussion. They don't want to show anything conclusive. They want to have options for the future.

Why end the trilogy so vaguely? Its just unsatisfying.

[Smiley556]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...


Hahaha, I failed at logic, and you have to invent conjecture and assumption for all 5 of your points, when everything I said is fact. They don't want him as a sleeper agent. And, once again, let's say they do. That means 2/3 times he becomes that very sleeper agent, thereby destroying humanity and allowing the Reapers to win.

You keep ignoring S G, but it's there pal. Sorry.

Have you playd some DLC that we havent? How on earth do you know this?

edit: actually nevermind, I really dont want to encourage you to make more posts, I feel like my braincells are dying of just reading them.

Modifié par Smiley556, 15 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...
Not if their plan all along was to patch the game with the real ending at a later date.

This has been discussed so many times. You people keep coming on here and saying that we're saying that this is all we are going to get. No. We're saying that BW will release a DLC/patch that gives us the real ending.

this, so totally this

I think you should put something like this in the OP so that maybe we don't have to answer this question umpteen more times.

Unless its already there and just being ignored.

done

Still missing the point.

You say that its because Bioware always intended to release the ending as DLC.

My question is WHY would Bioware intend all along to release the ending later than the actual game?

You keep saying that Bioware intended all along to ship ME3 incomplete without stopping to think just how far-fetched that is.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

Exactly - the smart people are calling it out on what is: a plothole.

Also, for comparison:

This is a couple of seconds before Shepard is shot at by Harbinger. Not the relatively flat ground, devoid of large piles of rubble.


Now note the giant pile of rubble both under Shepard and behind Shepard, not to mention the piles of rubble shown when the camera pans towards his body.

These are clearly not the same place. No matter what theory you support, its a plothole. It does not make sense in the indoctrination theory any more than it does in the real endings.

/its london

so what if it open ground or he was blown into a building 10 feet left of him. its London

the people making the cinematics are not the people who designed the level.

[Rafe34]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Hahaha, I failed at logic, and you have to invent conjecture and assumption for all 5 of your points, when everything I said is fact. They don't want him as a sleeper agent. And, once again, let's say they do. That means 2/3 times he becomes that very sleeper agent, thereby destroying humanity and allowing the Reapers to win.

You keep ignoring S G, but it's there pal. Sorry.

Everything you said is assumption based on two things: this current ending is all we get, which we have told you many times would not be the case if Indoc theory is correct, and the Stargazer scene, which we have explained multiple times, but you continue to willfully ignore.

Guys, please simply ignore stevesyanks here, and don't respond to his posts. He's simply trolling.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

/its london

so what if it open ground or he was blown into a building 10 feet left of him. its London

the people making the cinematics are not the people who designed the level.

But, when the level designers get around to playing the game, why would none of them notice that Shepard is clearly waking up somewhere entirely different?

Who would have told the cinematic designers to design a pile of rubble (because it is generated in-game) instead of using the location that was already made?

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Rafe34 wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Hahaha, I failed at logic, and you have to invent conjecture and assumption for all 5 of your points, when everything I said is fact. They don't want him as a sleeper agent. And, once again, let's say they do. That means 2/3 times he becomes that very sleeper agent, thereby destroying humanity and allowing the Reapers to win.

You keep ignoring S G, but it's there pal. Sorry.

Everything you said is assumption based on two things: this current ending is all we get, which we have told you many times would not be the case if Indoc theory is correct, and the Stargazer scene, which we have explained multiple times, but you continue to willfully ignore.

Guys, please simply ignore stevesyanks here, and don't respond to his posts. He's simply trolling.

Very mature logic: He disagrees, so he must be trolling.


And I like your reasoning. Bioware made an incomplete game to sell the real ending, and the Reapers left Shep alive to make him a sleeper agent, but Earth somehow militarily defeated the Reapers and sleeper Shep.

[Rockpopple]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

So are Saren & TiM villains, or not? Are they good guys? Heck no.

So, do we blame Saren & TiM? I do.

And re-watch the ending. Re-play the game. That was their final push. If that doesn't work, then nothing will.

Steve, I'm sorry to say you have a very black and white view of the Narrative. No, Saren wasn't twirling a moustache and putting a girl on the railway tracks, if you even understand that metaphor. Neither was the Illusive Man. Neither Saren or the Illusive Man started as the good guys, but they both started from noble intentions: Saren was a Spectre, dedicated to protecting the Galaxy, even if it meant doing the rough stuff on innocent people. TIM wanted to uplift humanity, even if it meant using terrorist tactics. They were bad, but they weren't completely evil.

But they were both Indoctrinated. What they wanted or what they started from meant nothing. The Reapers had them.

You can't compare where TIM and Saren started from with Cmdr Shepard, who was and is a hero in every sense of the world, even if in the end of all things, his will was broken by an Eldritch Horror from Dark Space.

I've seen the endings MANY times, brah. The final push was to get as many people as they can to the Conduit. The plan wasn't to get Shepard to the Conduit. It was NEVER stated that the plan was to get Shepard to the Conduit. It was to get someone, ANYONE to the Conduit, so they could open the arms. They can do that without Shepard.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
]Still missing the point.

You say that its because Bioware always intended to release the ending as DLC.

My question is WHY would Bioware intend all along to release the ending later than the actual game?

You keep saying that Bioware intended all along to ship ME3 incomplete without stopping to think just how far-fetched that is.

its so NOT far fetched that you are blowing my mind.

DLC is EA/Biowares absolute love in this world. and with everything that happened in previous games with dlc and day one paid dlc how do you not believe this?

Knowing that DLC makes buttload apon buttfreakingloads of money why not? it would be so hard to say no to ending DLC, It would be record breaking in terms of DLC sales.

paid day one dlc, dlc models of previous Bioware games... this is so not far fetched at all.

[Teacher50]

Appears to me all the ending(s) presented had huge plotholes... Missed the theme target completely. So well presented all along the way. Go back to 1 and start again if you can't see this. Basically, the ending makes replaying the game pointless. If it was a book, it would never be a best seller. Good books will be read over and over in time. I hate to say it but I think Bioware after making some game history and possible the best RPG of all time blew it in the end. For whatever reason, only they know.

I had someone ask me just today if they should buy the game. I said if you like action the answer is yes... but for plot no. Frankly I'd wait till it hits the bargan basement price.

[hex23]

Zyrious wrote...

He's talking about humanity in general, reapers being our genetic destiny. Dont take my word for it, go look at drew karpyshyn's tweets or blogs, he literally spells it out. They have no intent on indoctrinating you. They want yout *genetics*, your body, nothing more. And that is just a bonus, they are more than happy to kill you if necessary.

He never says he wants to use you as a pawn. Shove you in a vat, peel you apart to study you, and various threats about humanity in general, but other than that...and as i said, drew spelled it our pretty clearly, this should not be a debating point.

One of the things he says that I remember is "Shepard, you do not yet understand your place in things"....that seems pretty grandiose for "I want to toss you into a vat".

[Smiley556]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

/its london

so what if it open ground or he was blown into a building 10 feet left of him. its London

the people making the cinematics are not the people who designed the level.

But, when the level designers get around to playing the game, why would none of them notice that Shepard is clearly waking up somewhere entirely different?

Who would have told the cinematic designers to design a pile of rubble (because it is generated in-game) instead of using the location that was already made?

It doesnt seem to be somewhere entirely different to me. 2 things: One, there was plenty big chunks of concrete rubble scattered about on your rush to the conduit beam, it wasnt completely flat as some people are making it out to be. Two, ME3 doesnt have some destruction engine, you cant blow up cover and buildings.Theres a huge freaking laser beam that blasts shepard, I'm quite sure this would cause some destruction, which would be shown in the cinematic.

[cbutz]

Have any of you guys just listened to the background sound of the clip, it kind of sounds like ,1st sound : a gun fire thud, 2nd sound a reaper noise, 3rd : another thud, and maybe another reaper sshout in there. Idk it sounds like a battle can still be going on, or maybe thats what I tell myself. Just listen to the background with your eyes closed

[hex23]

I think it's crazy people are nitpicking the logistics of the beam creating a pile of rubble or not, when the alternative is that Shepard somehow survived an entire space station blowing up, and a free fall from outer space.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

/its london

so what if it open ground or he was blown into a building 10 feet left of him. its London

the people making the cinematics are not the people who designed the level.

But, when the level designers get around to playing the game, why would none of them notice that Shepard is clearly waking up somewhere entirely different?

Who would have told the cinematic designers to design a pile of rubble (because it is generated in-game) instead of using the location that was already made?

because only you are getting hung up on that detail. they could have put a red neon sign behind him that said welcome to london but they figured that was unnessary, which it is.

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW is Shep is in London. THAT is the point, discussing wether he was on flat ground or in rubble is damaging to the discussion because its dismissing the point