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[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

In my other topic:

JMA22TB wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Bioware broke the fourth wall with the Indoctrination and you haven't realised it. The whole thing went over your head. Play through the Destroy ending and pay attention to the details.

And instead of doing what they should have they ended the story there. It's outright insulting.

If Shepard emerges from the dream victorious and fulfills his destiny with choices that reflect the saga and reward all the hard work you did getting him there, Mass Effect 3 becomes the greatest story told in video game history.

Instead we have the most jaw-dropping display of losing the audience I've ever seen.

Which is why there is no way it could be true.

I agree, how awesome would that be to bury the true ending like that? To make it all a dream. It would explain all the weird stuff, hell everything makes sense if he wakes up and then you actually get to play. Then you get to play through, beat the Reapers, and see how everything ends up. That would be perfect.

But there is ZERO chance that is what happened. The game was completed 100% a month ago - don't you think, in that month, they would have developed the ending and had it ready to release via DLC if that really was their intention? Come on people - think.

[Rafe34]

Just for laughs:

Conrad Verner, guys. The real hero of the ME series.

[Tiax Rules All]

cbutz wrote...

Have any of you guys just listened to the background sound of the clip, it kind of sounds like ,1st sound : a gun fire thud, 2nd sound a reaper noise, 3rd : another thud, and maybe another reaper sshout in there. Idk it sounds like a battle can still be going on, or maybe thats what I tell myself. Just listen to the background with your eyes closed

yes i noticed but wanted others to post it first so i wuld seem like i was grasping to hard. but there are many small clues in the ending and all throught the series that support indoc theory.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

I'd say a smart player could view this as an attempt to create this kind of discussion. They don't want to show anything conclusive. They want to have options for the future.

Why end the trilogy so vaguely? Its just unsatisfying.

*sigh, its not over...

are we going around in cirlces here?

[Rockpopple]

Hell, you could make the very reasonable assumption that Shepard MUST be in London, because Shepard couldn't be anywhere else.

In 2 out of 3 endings he vaporized. In the 3rd ending she was in a space station that blew up in orbit.

Once you eliminate the impossible, then whatever's left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth - Sherlock Holmes.

 

If Shepard is alive and breathing in the final scene, no matter how short his life may be, he MUST be alive on Earth.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 15 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Rafe34]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...
Not if their plan all along was to patch the game with the real ending at a later date.

This has been discussed so many times. You people keep coming on here and saying that we're saying that this is all we are going to get. No. We're saying that BW will release a DLC/patch that gives us the real ending.

this, so totally this

I think you should put something like this in the OP so that maybe we don't have to answer this question umpteen more times.

Unless its already there and just being ignored.

done

Still missing the point.

You say that its because Bioware always intended to release the ending as DLC.

My question is WHY would Bioware intend all along to release the ending later than the actual game?

You keep saying that Bioware intended all along to ship ME3 incomplete without stopping to think just how far-fetched that is.

So that everyone, everywhere will be able to get the ending at the same time. Game isn't released in Asia until tomorrow.

I would expect something from BW by March 22, one week after they release it in Asia. If nothing has come by then, then I'd say the Indoc Theory is shot, or BW is one heck of a stupid company to wait any longer.

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Rockpopple wrote...

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

So are Saren & TiM villains, or not? Are they good guys? Heck no.

So, do we blame Saren & TiM? I do.

And re-watch the ending. Re-play the game. That was their final push. If that doesn't work, then nothing will.

Steve, I'm sorry to say you have a very black and white view of the Narrative. No, Saren wasn't twirling a moustache and putting a girl on the railway tracks, if you even understand that metaphor. Neither was the Illusive Man. Neither Saren or the Illusive Man started as the good guys, but they both started from noble intentions: Saren was a Spectre, dedicated to protecting the Galaxy, even if it meant doing the rough stuff on innocent people. TIM wanted to uplift humanity, even if it meant using terrorist tactics. They were bad, but they weren't completely evil.

But they were both Indoctrinated. What they wanted or what they started from meant nothing. The Reapers had them.

You can't compare where TIM and Saren started from with Cmdr Shepard, who was and is a hero in every sense of the world, even if in the end of all things, his will was broken by an Eldritch Horror from Dark Space.

I've seen the endings MANY times, brah. The final push was to get as many people as they can to the Conduit. The plan wasn't to get Shepard to the Conduit. It was NEVER stated that the plan was to get Shepard to the Conduit. It was to get someone, ANYONE to the Conduit, so they could open the arms. They can do that without Shepard.

Two giant holes, once again:

Saren and TiM are the two biggest villains, aside from the Reapers, in the history of the universe. No one gives a damn if they had noble or ignoble starting intentions - they turned evil, and became villains.

Secondly, you agree it was the final push. You also agree if you accept indoc. theory, everyone but Shepard died - Major Coats says so.

[Tiax Rules All]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

In my other topic:

JMA22TB wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Bioware broke the fourth wall with the Indoctrination and you haven't realised it. The whole thing went over your head. Play through the Destroy ending and pay attention to the details.

And instead of doing what they should have they ended the story there. It's outright insulting.

If Shepard emerges from the dream victorious and fulfills his destiny with choices that reflect the saga and reward all the hard work you did getting him there, Mass Effect 3 becomes the greatest story told in video game history.

Instead we have the most jaw-dropping display of losing the audience I've ever seen.

Which is why there is no way it could be true.

I agree, how awesome would that be to bury the true ending like that? To make it all a dream. It would explain all the weird stuff, hell everything makes sense if he wakes up and then you actually get to play. Then you get to play through, beat the Reapers, and see how everything ends up. That would be perfect.

But there is ZERO chance that is what happened. The game was completed 100% a month ago - don't you think, in that month, they would have developed the ending and had it ready to release via DLC if that really was their intention? Come on people - think.

that is the ending of the base game, not the ending of sheps story.

ok start the circle all over again

[Smiley556]

Tiax Rules All wrote...


because only you are getting hung up on that detail. they could have put a red neon sign behind him that said welcome to london but they figured that was unnessary, which it is.

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW is Shep is in London on Earth. THAT is the point, discussing wether he was on flat ground or in rubble is damaging to the discussion because its dismissing the point

Sorry had to fix that for you. If you are going to put it That way, I have to admit the rubble didnt have a red tardis phone booth in it. 

Modifié par Smiley556, 15 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
]Still missing the point.

You say that its because Bioware always intended to release the ending as DLC.

My question is WHY would Bioware intend all along to release the ending later than the actual game?

You keep saying that Bioware intended all along to ship ME3 incomplete without stopping to think just how far-fetched that is.

its so NOT far fetched that you are blowing my mind.

DLC is EA/Biowares absolute love in this world. and with everything that happened in previous games with dlc and day one paid dlc how do you not believe this?

Knowing that DLC makes buttload apon buttfreakingloads of money why not? it would be so hard to say no to ending DLC, It would be record breaking in terms of DLC sales.

paid day one dlc, dlc models of previous Bioware games... this is so not far fetched at all.

Do you remember the backlash bioware got when people found out they were releasing day one DLC?

Now just imagine for a second the volcanic level of uproar that would occur if people found out that not only is the game they paid full price for incomplete, but that if they want to see the conclusion they will have ot fork over more money. Do you honestly think people would buy it? And do you honestly believe that Bioware would not be able to see just how many fans they'd lose by pulling that kind of stunt?

Can you honestly not see that people would be apocalyptically angry about it?

The DLC would not be a success - it would ruin Bioware's reputation utterly. 

[Chrisimo]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Shep waking up in a different place.
2/3 endings making no sense, because Shep sees the same stuff (minus wake-up) in all 3. So if he gets indoc'd, I'd imagine his vision would be quite a bit different from fighting it off.
Humanity beating the Reapers without Shep
Reapers not just killing Shep
Shep waking up and fighting his way back to the beam solo
etc., etc.

What makes you think that Humanity wins without Shepard? Stargazer? Are those even humans? 

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Rafe34 wrote...

Just for laughs:

Conrad Verner, guys. The real hero of the ME series.

ROFL, fricken' hilarious.

[LDStaredown]

Mark my words: they are releasing the ending tomorrow. Hmm, this must be what it feels like to be religious.

[weltraumhamster89]

So sorry if this does not belong here, but I'm desperate and very tired after a ME3 marathon of I don't know how many hours just to get slapped in the face by that ending...

1. Can pretty pretty please someone explain to me those 3 paths you can choose on the cataclyst? I mean, it's left, middle and right - but I did not understand which one does what? Please someone explain

2. Can I make my Shepard live? i did NOT play any Multiplayer, so my galactic readiness was still 50% in the end. Do I really have to play Multiplayer to make Shep live? (I chose the right path by random because I did not understand what the child said and my shep just dissolved into nothing and the Normandy landed on a green planet (?) with Kaidan on it, whom I had taken to my last mission. So Kaidan being there is impossible.)

Sorry for this, but I'm so desperate and beyond disappointed (and my English is not the best)..

Thanks in advance!

[Rockpopple]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...
Two giant holes, once again:

Saren and TiM are the two biggest villains, aside from the Reapers, in the history of the universe. No one gives a damn if they had noble or ignoble starting intentions - they turned evil, and became villains.

Secondly, you agree it was the final push. You also agree if you accept indoc. theory, everyone but Shepard died - Major Coats says so.

Steve, you have to pay attention here. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, seriously. But you do.

1) Saren and TIM are villians due to their ACTIONS, not by simply being Indoctrinated. They became villians because of what they did. Saren was a dick long before he was Indoctrinated, and TIM was a terrorist. 

Shepard becoming Indoctrinated doesn't make him a villain, not yet. Not unless he gets up and actively tries to stop the Galaxy from killing the Reapers, and in Shepards final condition, he aint stopping nothing from nothing.

2) Indoc Theory holds that everything after Shepard was attacked by Harbinger was a vision. EVERYTHING. Including Major Coats saying everyone died.

Also Steven, Major Coats didn't say everyone but Shepard died. Major Coats said EVERYONE died. That the whole team was wiped out. NOBODY made it to the Conduit. The radio-girl confirms this. This is EVIDENCE towards Indoc theory.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

I'd say a smart player could view this as an attempt to create this kind of discussion. They don't want to show anything conclusive. They want to have options for the future.

Why end the trilogy so vaguely? Its just unsatisfying.

*sigh, its not over...

are we going around in cirlces here?

Yes because you're avoiding the question.

Why would Bioware deliberately make the ending nonsensical just to make it vague?

Why even make it vague at all?

This is supposed to tbe the conclusion to arguably their most popular and successful series.

And you honestly believe that the emotion they want players to walk away with is confusion as to what just happened?

[DirectorStormchaser1]

I think people who have PTSD, CSD, and Stockholm Syndrome understand the ending. Because we deal with it on a daily basis. My mental capacity went down from an IQ of 140 to 20 after an explosion in the NAVY.  That would make Shepherd very vulnerable to Indoctrination when he got hot by the laser. It took 6 years to get my IQ past 130.

I am Commander Shepherd and I suffer from Critical Stress Disorder.

Modifié par DirectorStormchaser1, 15 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
]Still missing the point.

You say that its because Bioware always intended to release the ending as DLC.

My question is WHY would Bioware intend all along to release the ending later than the actual game?

You keep saying that Bioware intended all along to ship ME3 incomplete without stopping to think just how far-fetched that is.

its so NOT far fetched that you are blowing my mind.

DLC is EA/Biowares absolute love in this world. and with everything that happened in previous games with dlc and day one paid dlc how do you not believe this?

Knowing that DLC makes buttload apon buttfreakingloads of money why not? it would be so hard to say no to ending DLC, It would be record breaking in terms of DLC sales.

paid day one dlc, dlc models of previous Bioware games... this is so not far fetched at all.

Do you remember the backlash bioware got when people found out they were releasing day one DLC?

Now just imagine for a second the volcanic level of uproar that would occur if people found out that not only is the game they paid full price for incomplete, but that if they want to see the conclusion they will have ot fork over more money. Do you honestly think people would buy it? And do you honestly believe that Bioware would not be able to see just how many fans they'd lose by pulling that kind of stunt?

Can you honestly not see that people would be apocalyptically angry about it?

The DLC would not be a success - it would ruin Bioware's reputation utterly. 

backlash smacklash... you think EA cares!!!!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? (yes all those were needed)

backlash was really free marketing. same with this ending.

day one dlc backlash equated to "my game is not complete, i need that"
ending dlc backlash will equate to "oh damn, real ending, i need that"

Lose the moral stance, EA dont have one, they go with the most profitable model. and DLC has made then stupid rich. they wont stop till you stop buying.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[weltraumhamster89]

Can someone please answer my questions or at least show me a forum where I can post them?

[Teacher50]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

/its london

so what if it open ground or he was blown into a building 10 feet left of him. its London

the people making the cinematics are not the people who designed the level.

But, when the level designers get around to playing the game, why would none of them notice that Shepard is clearly waking up somewhere entirely different?

Who would have told the cinematic designers to design a pile of rubble (because it is generated in-game) instead of using the location that was already made?

because only you are getting hung up on that detail. they could have put a red neon sign behind him that said welcome to london but they figured that was unnessary, which it is.

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW is Shep is in London. THAT is the point, discussing wether he was on flat ground or in rubble is damaging to the discussion because its dismissing the point

Yes, the real point is the ending is unsatisfying the theme. This leaves a hollow feeling that should not be there.

[Rockpopple]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

So sorry if this does not belong here, but I'm desperate and very tired after a ME3 marathon of I don't know how many hours just to get slapped in the face by that ending...

1. Can pretty pretty please someone explain to me those 3 paths you can choose on the cataclyst? I mean, it's left, middle and right - but I did not understand which one does what? Please someone explain

Left takes you to the Control ending. As the Catalyst explains it, Shepard sacrifices her life in order to impose her will on the Reapers. She can make them stop killing everyone, but she dies.

Center takes you to the Synthesis ending. Again, Shepard sacrifices herself, but doing so somehow allows the Crucible/Citadel construct to turn everything in the Galaxy into an organic/synthetic hybrid. The Reapers stop killing everyone.

Right takes you to the Destroy ending. Shepard destroys something on the Citadel that sends a signal that kills all Synthetic life in the Galaxy, including the Geth. The Reapers die, and if Shepard somehow survives the explosion that results, he is to die because Shepard is partly Synthetic due to the Lazarus Project.

Hope that clears things up. By the way, that's just the face-value descriptions.

2. Can I make my Shepard live? i did NOT play any Multiplayer, so my galactic readiness was still 50% in the end. Do I really have to play Multiplayer to make Shep live? (I chose the right path by random because I did not understand what the child said and my shep just dissolved into nothing and the Normandy landed on a green planet (?) with Kaidan on it, whom I had taken to my last mission. So Kaidan being there is impossible.)

Sorry for this, but I'm so desperate and beyond disappointed (and my English is not the best)..

Thanks in advance!

You ... might have to play a little multiplayer. What you need is at least 4000 Readiness Rating, and over, and choose the Destroy or Right choice [Ha. Funny how Destroy is the "right" choice. lol. Nevermind]. I don't know how you can get there without multiplayer, but they tell me it's possible.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 15 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[1490]

Regardless of whether they fix the ending or not, this is what I will choose to believe about the story. To me, Shepard will always get up from that pile of rubble after being knocked out and shrugging off indoctrination, and finish the job.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

 
Yes because you're avoiding the question.

Why would Bioware deliberately make the ending nonsensical just to make it vague?

Why even make it vague at all?

This is supposed to tbe the conclusion to arguably their most popular and successful series.

And you honestly believe that the emotion they want players to walk away with is confusion as to what just happened?

so you would prefer.. "game over... please insert dlc" ?

this way its artistic (wehter you like it or not, or think it was a good choice)

and vague means they have more options at second one of the dlc

[Chrisimo]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

A smart player would realise that Shepard is waking up in a different place, which goes against the theory.

A smart player would realize there is no ****ing way in the galaxy Shep can "wake up" or take a breath after falling from the damn Citadel. It's not POSSIBLE for this to be real. He would be dead. He's clearly on earth.

How in blazes did he get there?

I'd say a smart player could view this as an attempt to create this kind of discussion. They don't want to show anything conclusive. They want to have options for the future.

Why end the trilogy so vaguely? Its just unsatisfying.

Of course it is. But it will at least give them the option of providing a different ending. And of course they would not sell it in a stupid manner (like this was planned all along). If they decide that a different ending would be lucrative they will tell us that they were so impressed by our reactions that they decided to make a new ending to please the fans.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

backlash smacklash... you think EA cares!!!!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? (yes all those were needed)

backlash was really free marketing. same with this ending.

day one dlc backlash equated to "my game is not complete, i need that"
ending dlc backlash will equate to "oh damn, real ending, i need that"

Lose the moral stance, EA dont have one, they go with the most profitable model. and DLC has made then stupid rich. they wont stop till you stop buying.

Wait, you're not one of those people that believes EA is deciding everything Bioware does are you? EA is the publisher, not the developer.

Backlash is bad marketing. Who is going to want to buy a game that has had this much negative response?

day one dlc backlash equated to "my game is not complete, i need that"
ending dlc backlash will equate to "oh damn, real ending, i need that" 

Which is why it would be so much worse.

Charging for something non-essential is annoying. Charging extra for something essential would cause an unimaginable amount of rage. You must have seen all the angry threads about the From Ashes DLC. Now imagine instead that you needed From Ashes to finish the story. How can you not see that fans would be insanely angry about it. Bioware would lose a colossal number of fans purely for a few extra dollars, and they would know this. I for one trust Bioware enough to believe they wouldn't do that.