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[weltraumhamster89]

Rockpopple wrote...

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

So sorry if this does not belong here, but I'm desperate and very tired after a ME3 marathon of I don't know how many hours just to get slapped in the face by that ending...

1. Can pretty pretty please someone explain to me those 3 paths you can choose on the cataclyst? I mean, it's left, middle and right - but I did not understand which one does what? Please someone explain

Left takes you to the Control ending. As the Catalyst explains it, Shepard sacrifices her life in order to impose her will on the Reapers. She can make them stop killing everyone, but she dies.

Center takes you to the Synthesis ending. Again, Shepard sacrifices herself, but doing so somehow allows the Crucible/Citadel construct to turn everything in the Galaxy into an organic/synthetic hybrid. The Reapers stop killing everyone.

Right takes you to the Destroy ending. Shepard destroys something on the Citadel that sends a signal that kills all Synthetic life in the Galaxy, including the Geth. The Reapers die, and if Shepard somehow survives the explosion that results, he is to die because Shepard is partly Synthetic due to the Lazarus Project.

Hope that clears things up. By the way, that's just the face-value descriptions.

2. Can I make my Shepard live? i did NOT play any Multiplayer, so my galactic readiness was still 50% in the end. Do I really have to play Multiplayer to make Shep live? (I chose the right path by random because I did not understand what the child said and my shep just dissolved into nothing and the Normandy landed on a green planet (?) with Kaidan on it, whom I had taken to my last mission. So Kaidan being there is impossible.)

Sorry for this, but I'm so desperate and beyond disappointed (and my English is not the best)..

Thanks in advance!

You ... might have to play a little multiplayer. What you need is at least 4000 Readiness Rating, and over, and choose the Destroy or Right choice [Ha. Funny how Destroy is the "right" choice. lol. Nevermind]. I don't know how you can get there without multiplayer, but they tell me it's possible.

Thank you so much!!

But as I understand it, all 3 endings kill Shepard, regardless of galactic readiness? I really do not want to play multiplayer as ME for me is a single player game and they should not force me to.

[Rockpopple]

I think they can do this because technically, even a cliffhanger ending is an ending. They can say that the way it ends is open-ended, or imply that Stargazer had it right and the Galaxy somehow won against the Reapers thanks to Shepard getting them to that point.

If we look at the entire game and consider Indoc., then the game simply ends on a cliffhanger, with everything in place for the Galaxy to defeat the Reapers, with or without Shepard.

... I'd still like to know how tho. Hence DLC I will end up paying for.

[Tiax Rules All]

Which is why it would be so much worse.

Charging for something non-essential is annoying. Charging extra for something essential would cause an unimaginable amount of rage. You must have seen all the angry threads about the From Ashes DLC. Now imagine instead that you needed From Ashes to finish the story. How can you not see that fans would be insanely angry about it. Bioware would lose a colossal number of fans purely for a few extra dollars, and they would know this. I for one trust Bioware enough to believe they wouldn't do that. 

this happens every time dlc comes out. Dont take it the wrong way but EVERYBODY thinks thier rage is everbodies rage. and EVERYBODY thinks that there will be a backlash and sales will suffer

truth is. DLC has not suffered at all. not even a bit.
IN FACT, rage speading over the internet increases sales and is free marketing.

your being idealistic. im being relistic.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

 
Yes because you're avoiding the question.

Why would Bioware deliberately make the ending nonsensical just to make it vague?

Why even make it vague at all?

This is supposed to tbe the conclusion to arguably their most popular and successful series.

And you honestly believe that the emotion they want players to walk away with is confusion as to what just happened?

so you would prefer.. "game over... please insert dlc" ?

this way its artistic (wehter you like it or not, or think it was a good choice)

and vague means they have more options at second one of the dlc

I would simply prefer "game over - you have won". Much like the game already does (that message saying that Shepard has ended the Reaper threat that pops up no matter which ending you choose).

The ending in the theory is basically what you said 
"game over... please purchase dlc to see the ending", which is just awful. I spent £40 on ME3 expecting it to be a complete game. If this theory turns out to be true, then the ending amounts to what you said. The idea that Bioware - or indeed any game company - would stoop this low for a handful of dollars is too awful to even contemplate.

[Rockpopple]

@ Weltrumhamster - The Destory, or RIGHT PATH ending with 4000+ Readiness will give you the extra scene where Shepard lives. It really shouldn't be that hard to get without Multiplayer. I played Multiplayer and got 100% Galactic Readiness, and my EMS was over 7000! You should be able to get at least 4000 without it, but even if you can't, if you play a few matches on your own it should get you where you need.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Which is why it would be so much worse.

Charging for something non-essential is annoying. Charging extra for something essential would cause an unimaginable amount of rage. You must have seen all the angry threads about the From Ashes DLC. Now imagine instead that you needed From Ashes to finish the story. How can you not see that fans would be insanely angry about it. Bioware would lose a colossal number of fans purely for a few extra dollars, and they would know this. I for one trust Bioware enough to believe they wouldn't do that. 

this happens every time dlc comes out. Dont take it the wrong way but EVERYBODY thinks thier rage is everbodies rage. and EVERYBODY thinks that there will be a backlash and sales will suffer

truth is. DLC has not suffered at all. not even a bit.
IN FACT, rage speading over the internet increases sales and is free marketing.

your being idealistic. im being relistic.

Thats because, until now, DLC has never been essential to completing a game.

Are you honestly telling me that if Bioware charged you extra for the 'real ending, that you'd buy it?

You wouldn't be upset that the game you spent full price on wasn't complete?

I just can't believe that would be true.

[Tiax Rules All]

Rockpopple wrote...

I think they can do this because technically, even a cliffhanger ending is an ending. They can say that the way it ends is open-ended, or imply that Stargazer had it right and the Galaxy somehow won against the Reapers thanks to Shepard getting them to that point.

If we look at the entire game and consider Indoc., then the game simply ends on a cliffhanger, with everything in place for the Galaxy to defeat the Reapers, with or without Shepard.

... I'd still like to know how tho. Hence DLC I will end up paying for.

just thought of something. untill now i kinda thought that shep live destroy ending would have to be canon for dlc, but really there is nothing to stop the extended ending dlc to continue the fight over sheps mind and indoctrination while destroyers will ge the "wow you fought it off on your own" dialog.. then it can proceed to the real ending

[Candidate 88766]

Rockpopple wrote...

I think they can do this because technically, even a cliffhanger ending is an ending. They can say that the way it ends is open-ended, or imply that Stargazer had it right and the Galaxy somehow won against the Reapers thanks to Shepard getting them to that point.

If we look at the entire game and consider Indoc., then the game simply ends on a cliffhanger, with everything in place for the Galaxy to defeat the Reapers, with or without Shepard.

... I'd still like to know how tho. Hence DLC I will end up paying for.

There's nothing in place to defeat the Reapers though.

Harbinger shoots everyone approaching the Conduit, and Shepard's mind is too broken for him to be of any use - the effects of indoctrination cannot be reversed. 

There is no-one left to enter the Citadel and open the arms, and even if there was Harbinger could shoot them as well.

If this theory is right, the galaxy falls no matter what choices you made in the trilogy.

[novaseeker]

Rafe34 wrote...

I would expect something from BW by March 22, one week after they release it in Asia. If nothing has come by then, then I'd say the Indoc Theory is shot, or BW is one heck of a stupid company to wait any longer.

I agree.  I would say that if we see nothing further by the end of the month then it's very unlikely at that point.

[weltraumhamster89]

Rockpopple wrote...

@ Weltrumhamster - The Destory, or RIGHT PATH ending with 4000+ Readiness will give you the extra scene where Shepard lives. It really shouldn't be that hard to get without Multiplayer. I played Multiplayer and got 100% Galactic Readiness, and my EMS was over 7000! You should be able to get at least 4000 without it, but even if you can't, if you play a few matches on your own it should get you where you need.

Thanks So when I play alone without Multiplayer, I need about 8000 war points, because my readiness is 50%... Jesus that's just not fair.

I will go to bed now and play again later this day (it's three in the morning here).

Thanks again!

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

 
Yes because you're avoiding the question.

Why would Bioware deliberately make the ending nonsensical just to make it vague?

Why even make it vague at all?

This is supposed to tbe the conclusion to arguably their most popular and successful series.

And you honestly believe that the emotion they want players to walk away with is confusion as to what just happened?

so you would prefer.. "game over... please insert dlc" ?

this way its artistic (wehter you like it or not, or think it was a good choice)

and vague means they have more options at second one of the dlc

I would simply prefer "game over - you have won". Much like the game already does (that message saying that Shepard has ended the Reaper threat that pops up no matter which ending you choose).

The ending in the theory is basically what you said 
"game over... please purchase dlc to see the ending", which is just awful. I spent £40 on ME3 expecting it to be a complete game. If this theory turns out to be true, then the ending amounts to what you said. The idea that Bioware - or indeed any game company - would stoop this low for a handful of dollars is too awful to even contemplate.

once again, dont take it the wrong way. but what you prefer dont mean jack. what makes them money and gets people to buy dlc does.

so you dont like it.. what are you gonna do? boycott me4 ? oh yeah there wont be won, so what if they dont retain customers.

its milking time not retaining time

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I think they can do this because technically, even a cliffhanger ending is an ending. They can say that the way it ends is open-ended, or imply that Stargazer had it right and the Galaxy somehow won against the Reapers thanks to Shepard getting them to that point.

If we look at the entire game and consider Indoc., then the game simply ends on a cliffhanger, with everything in place for the Galaxy to defeat the Reapers, with or without Shepard.

... I'd still like to know how tho. Hence DLC I will end up paying for.

There's nothing in place to defeat the Reapers though.

Harbinger shoots everyone approaching the Conduit, and Shepard's mind is too broken for him to be of any use - the effects of indoctrination cannot be reversed. 

There is no-one left to enter the Citadel and open the arms, and even if there was Harbinger could shoot them as well.

If this theory is right, the galaxy falls no matter what choices you made in the trilogy.

just because the chrage on the pillar failed didnt mean the freaking galactic army behind him and in space is gone...

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

once again, dont take it the wrong way. but what you prefer dont mean jack. what makes them money and gets people to buy dlc does.

so you dont like it.. what are you gonna do? boycott me4 ? oh yeah there wont be won, so what if they dont retain customers.

its milking time not retaining time

You must have an immensely low opinion of Bioware if you believe they'd stoop this low for a few extra dollars.

[Wolvy]

I read all those twitter links and I would like to think there is more to it than that.  Also this one from the Mass Effect twitter also states:

"Jake Finn @JakeFinn94
@masseffect Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough.

Mass Effect‏ @masseffect 
@jakefinn94 Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."

I thought it was also in an interview that the story of Shepard ends with this game.  We do not know what will be in DLCs or how many there will be. BUT as far as the base game is concerned, the story is coming close to ending but it may possibly not BE the ending? I have also been watching the Mass Effect feed since I finished last Thursday. Anytime someone asks about the ending, DLCs, or clarification the answer is almost always keep checking masseffect.com, twitter and facebook for more information.

Modifié par ronbo_68, 15 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[Zyrious]

Rockpopple wrote...

@ Weltrumhamster - The Destory, or RIGHT PATH ending with 4000+ Readiness will give you the extra scene where Shepard lives. It really shouldn't be that hard to get without Multiplayer. I played Multiplayer and got 100% Galactic Readiness, and my EMS was over 7000! You should be able to get at least 4000 without it, but even if you can't, if you play a few matches on your own it should get you where you need.

People have been adding it up for a while and you actually fall short of 4000 without doing a very specific playthrough through all 3 games, however the current theory is that this is because certain assets are being updated incorrectly aka bug.

a solid hour of mp will get you a high enough readiness though.

Modifié par Zyrious, 15 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Thats because, until now, DLC has never been essential to completing a game.

Are you honestly telling me that if Bioware charged you extra for the 'real ending, that you'd buy it?

You wouldn't be upset that the game you spent full price on wasn't complete?

I just can't believe that would be true.

its Balsy sure... but no rule to say they cant..

nobody had day one dlc till they made it normal also.

and further back somebody had to develope the first addition content DLC for a price.

there is a history of firsts. this is a new one. DEAL

[hex23]

Earlier someone asked "if Shepard is unconscious why wouldn't the Reapers just kill him?"

Because in "Arrival" they said they want his mind...not his brain...his mind.

www.youtube.com/watch

They even say "patch him up....we want Shepard alive" after you lose the shoot out in the first Object Rho scene.

They also had 2+ days to kill him while he was in close proximity to Object Rho, and didn't. That should be a massive clue that the Reapers had something else in mind for him.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

just because the chrage on the pillar failed didnt mean the freaking galactic army behind him and in space is gone...

Did you not see how powerful the Reapers are in ME1 and ME3? 

Numbers alone cannot beat the Reapers. The Crucible has to reach the Citadel, and the Citadel must be opened.

In the indoctrination theory, there is no-one left to reach the Conduit and open the Citadel. Everyone is engaged with Reaper forces, and with Harbinger guarding the Conduit no-one is going to get through it.

[Tiax Rules All]

Zyrious wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

@ Weltrumhamster - The Destory, or RIGHT PATH ending with 4000+ Readiness will give you the extra scene where Shepard lives. It really shouldn't be that hard to get without Multiplayer. I played Multiplayer and got 100% Galactic Readiness, and my EMS was over 7000! You should be able to get at least 4000 without it, but even if you can't, if you play a few matches on your own it should get you where you need.

People have been adding it up for a while and you actually fall short of 4000 without doing a very specific playthrough through all 3 games, however the current theory is that this is because certain assets are being updated incorrectly aka bug.

a solid hour of mp will get you a high enough readiness though.

yeah my friend who has not beat the game yet does not have mp and will not see the shep lives ending. so answering his questions about the ending is gonna require even more patience.

I have tested it myself. its not possible to get the "breath" without a little MP

[novaseeker]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...
2. Can I make my Shepard live? i did NOT play any Multiplayer, so my galactic readiness was still 50% in the end. Do I really have to play Multiplayer to make Shep live? (I chose the right path by random because I did not understand what the child said and my shep just dissolved into nothing and the Normandy landed on a green planet (?) with Kaidan on it, whom I had taken to my last mission. So Kaidan being there is impossible.)

Sorry for this, but I'm so desperate and beyond disappointed (and my English is not the best)..

Thanks in advance!

This is OT for this thread, but there is also an iPhone app now called Mass Effect Datapad which has a Galaxy at War section where you can run missions from your phone that increase your readiness rating.  As long as you have around 3000 EMS or so, if you get your readiness rating up to 90% or more you will be eligible for the best ending.

[Candidate 88766]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Thats because, until now, DLC has never been essential to completing a game.

Are you honestly telling me that if Bioware charged you extra for the 'real ending, that you'd buy it?

You wouldn't be upset that the game you spent full price on wasn't complete?

I just can't believe that would be true.

its Balsy sure... but no rule to say they cant..

nobody had day one dlc till they made it normal also.

and further back somebody had to develope the first addition content DLC for a price.

there is a history of firsts. this is a new one. DEAL

Actually, there probably are rules against it.

If it could be proven that Bioware intentionally released a game that is not only incomplete, but cannot actually be finished without paying even more for it, then there may even be grounds for a lawsuit under trading standards laws.

Its one thing to charge for a non-essential part of the game. It is quite another to intetionally not include the end of the game - arguably one of the most important parts - and then charge extra for it.

If you went and bought a book, and when you finish readin the last chapter you get told that actually that last chapter was a lie and that you'll have to fork out extra for the ending, how would you feel?

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 15 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[Tiger]

All i can say is that the Indoctrination theory makes sense. If BioWare comes out and says that the endings are the "true" endings then i will be depressed, until then i will believe that the indoctrination theory is real.

[Tiax Rules All]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

just because the chrage on the pillar failed didnt mean the freaking galactic army behind him and in space is gone...

Did you not see how powerful the Reapers are in ME1 and ME3? 

Numbers alone cannot beat the Reapers. The Crucible has to reach the Citadel, and the Citadel must be opened.

In the indoctrination theory, there is no-one left to reach the Conduit and open the Citadel. Everyone is engaged with Reaper forces, and with Harbinger guarding the Conduit no-one is going to get through it.

shepard kills reapers on his own and with help from a few friends throughout the series and the last game.

the idea of "the reapers are invicible" is specifically adressed and lessened throughout the game. boy-binger mentions "hope" at the end.  

hope faith and the entire galaxys army beat the reaper. they are not invicible just really tough

[Bigdoser]

hex23 wrote...

Earlier someone asked "if Shepard is unconscious why wouldn't the Reapers just kill him?"

Because in "Arrival" they said they want his mind...not his brain...his mind.

www.youtube.com/watch

They even say "patch him up....we want Shepard alive" after you lose the shoot out in the first Object Rho scene.

They also had 2+ days to kill him while he was in close proximity to Object Rho, and didn't. That should be a massive clue that the Reapers had something else in mind for him.

Yup
"Struggle if you wish... your mind will be mine" - Harbinger (Arrival) 

[Candidate 88766]

hex23 wrote...

Earlier someone asked "if Shepard is unconscious why wouldn't the Reapers just kill him?"

Because in "Arrival" they said they want his mind...not his brain...his mind.

www.youtube.com/watch

They even say "patch him up....we want Shepard alive" after you lose the shoot out in the first Object Rho scene.

They also had 2+ days to kill him while he was in close proximity to Object Rho, and didn't. That should be a massive clue that the Reapers had something else in mind for him.

Then why does Harbinger shoot him?

Why does the Reaper on Rannoch shoot him?