Thornquist wrote...
Shepard crash landed back to earth after he blew up the citadel, end of story.
Yes, its full of plot-holes.
Wouldnt be the first.
Tiax Rules All wrote...
Thornquist wrote...
Shepard crash landed back to earth after he blew up the citadel, end of story.
Yes, its full of plot-holes.
Wouldnt be the first.
I would dissagre that yes, yes it would be the first, as in the first real plot hole of this size and importance in the whole series... if the rediculous re-entry theory is correct.
nremies1 wrote...
I asked this in your other thread: what is your read on taking the 'destroy' option but not having enough EMS to get this "wake up" ending?
nremies1 wrote...
I asked this in your other thread: what is your read on taking the 'destroy' option but not having enough EMS to get this "wake up" ending?
Tiax Rules All wrote...
you dont post you forfiet your opinion and I take it as you never really had one, you are just rejecting this out of stubborness, prove me wrong.
Tiax Rules All wrote...
well I would say its just tied to game mechanics and reward system. You don't get rewarded with the complete ending until you at least have enough EMF to win the war.
EMF gathing during the game = win the war
Shep choices at ending = will shep conquer indoctrination and wake up. as long as you have enough point to even make waking up matter.
jzzabelle wrote...
"You can continue to build Shepard's legend through further gameplay and downloadable content"
/EA trollface
Rulycar wrote...
Problem:
... BioWare promised you do not have to play MP to get best ending.
... 4000 EMS requires MP.
... Most would agree, Shepard living must be best ending.
... Would BioWare lie? (err ... logic error detected)
viperabyss wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
you dont post you forfiet your opinion and I take it as you never really had one, you are just rejecting this out of stubborness, prove me wrong.
Actually on the contrary, I've posted quite a lot about how the indoctrination theory may not be as bullet proof as a lot of people seem to believe. Every time I finished posting it, nobody would reply to it, and the thread goes to page 68.
Also, it seems like you're not really willing to accept another opinion, as you already set your mind on believing what you really want to believe. In that case, I can post my entire response, and you wouldn't have any of it.
But, I'll definitely entertain you.
1) The moment Shepard wakes up, Coats reports that nobody made it to the Conduit, yet Shepard is walking towards it.
Except that when Coats made that comment, Shepard wasn't up yet. Coats believed everyone was killed, except Shepard and Anderson were still alive.
Let's just start with one, and see how you do, and see if you're really willing to accept different opinions if I were to post the rest of 38 "evidences".
anexanhume wrote...
Rulycar wrote...
Problem:
... BioWare promised you do not have to play MP to get best ending.
... 4000 EMS requires MP.
... Most would agree, Shepard living must be best ending.
... Would BioWare lie? (err ... logic error detected)
This point particularly got my ire. I had over 7100 in forces, but only 3600 at 50% readiness. Thus, Shepard did not live in my destroy ending. WTF Bioware?
nremies1 wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
well I would say its just tied to game mechanics and reward system. You don't get rewarded with the complete ending until you at least have enough EMF to win the war.
EMF gathing during the game = win the war
Shep choices at ending = will shep conquer indoctrination and wake up. as long as you have enough point to even make waking up matter.
=/
Your theories make sense to me academically. I'm just too inherently cynical to think that this could possibly be true.
Modifié par GarrusVFan, 14 mars 2012 - 09:28 .
Tiax Rules All wrote...
20 seconds after endings if you choose destroy with over 4K EMF
Shepard Lives!
but that is not even the important part at all really, its really about what it means for the nature of all the endings in general.
I wont hide that I firmly believe that this is "proof" of the indoctrination theory. I have created a thread thats 40 pages and growing so far but its certainly not the only one. There I describe indoctrination theory in detail.
Indoctrination theory described in detail
My take on this is that it proves that Shepard never left the spot he was left in after getting hit by the destroyer beam, starting when he gets up and does the slow motion walk to the the beam still in London, and all the way till the above clip, is all a hallucination/ indoctrination attempt and Shepard is fighting it in his mind. Including the crucible going off, relays exploding, Earth celebrating, Nromandy running, crashing and living happily ever after on sunset planet. Its all in shep's head. This is what he imagines for the world and his companions. He imagines them all escaping evil and living happily ever after... THEN he wakes up (above clip)
He doesn't just wake up but its in a pile of rubble ,that to me, is obviously London's debris. He is on Earth, right where he was after the blast. Look at the bricks in the Shep lives rubble. Stone, grey, look at the design on the faces, now look at this screenshot. taken from london, with beam in background. Look at the building to the left. Same bricks. almost irrefutable.
There is more debris around that looks EXACTLY like the rubble he is seen in at the end.
Have you all seen this ending? I truley believe that this 20 second clip is the whole and real ending for the game. It means everything.
Please read the indoctrination theory link I provided if you want all the plot holes left by the "taken at face value" endings filled with not conjecture but theory backed with in game references.
Mainly though I want to hear your thoughts. What does this mean to you? indoctrination? something different entirely?
Discuss...
If Shepard was to pick the destroy option, the 'child' says it would destroy all synthetics and that even Shepard is partly synthetic, implying that Shepard would die as well.Modifié par Rob_K1, 14 mars 2012 - 09:33 .
Tiax Rules All wrote...
nremies1 wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
well I would say its just tied to game mechanics and reward system. You don't get rewarded with the complete ending until you at least have enough EMF to win the war.
EMF gathing during the game = win the war
Shep choices at ending = will shep conquer indoctrination and wake up. as long as you have enough point to even make waking up matter.
=/
Your theories make sense to me academically. I'm just too inherently cynical to think that this could possibly be true.
it seems to me you are not allowing yourself to enjoy the ending, wants you rejece face value and embrace the "academic theory" you will feel better and enjoy the ending more. At least that was my stance and many others I have helped clarify the ending for.
GarrusVFan wrote...
Only way to state an argument against this would be to simply say that Bioware got lazy at the end of all of it and they simply didn't care about the ending. They got sloppy, they got careless, or someone with some major pull in the company was in a pissy mood and he/she decided they were going to force these endings and cause some severe distress for it's faithful fan-base.
...Okay the last mention is very unlikely, but the general point remains. Maybe they really didn't care, maybe they figure, "Meh..we have our money, let them squabble about, complain, b*tch and moan, whine and protest, but in the end we can't be forced to fix it."
It's a depressing reality, but still possible.
Rockpopple wrote...
This is what made me question the endings and not take them at face value. To me, it's the starkest evidence there is that we're not meant to take the endings at face value.
The texture of those buildings is not only similar to the rubble Shep ends up under, it's exactly the same.
How did Shep go from the Citadel that's exploding in orbit to a breathable atmosphere with rubble that looks exactly like it came from London debris? Hoowwwwwww?????
Good way of looking at it and makes a lot of sense. But if true does suddenly give me creadence to one of my complaints about the game.Tiax Rules All wrote...
well I would say its just tied to game mechanics and reward system. You don't get rewarded with the complete ending until you at least have enough EMF to win the war.
EMF gathing during the game = win the war
Shep choices at ending = will shep conquer indoctrination and wake up. as long as you have enough point to even make waking up matter.
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Modifié par Madecologist, 14 mars 2012 - 09:34 .
nremies1 wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
nremies1 wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
well I would say its just tied to game mechanics and reward system. You don't get rewarded with the complete ending until you at least have enough EMF to win the war.
EMF gathing during the game = win the war
Shep choices at ending = will shep conquer indoctrination and wake up. as long as you have enough point to even make waking up matter.
=/
Your theories make sense to me academically. I'm just too inherently cynical to think that this could possibly be true.
it seems to me you are not allowing yourself to enjoy the ending, wants you rejece face value and embrace the "academic theory" you will feel better and enjoy the ending more. At least that was my stance and many others I have helped clarify the ending for.
True enough but if you're right with all this, my Shep died of his wounds underneath the beam and the forces I showed up with - which looked like they were getting thoroughly mauled up in orbit - must have gotten the job done after all?
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