Bigdoser wrote...
Someone posted this in another topic check out shepard's eyes when you pick control/synth.
Here is an image of Sythesis and Control endings.
In both cases you notice the blue dots on the retinas that always happens when somebody is indoctrinated.
http://imgur.com/0sSDD
That's what makes me wish we had talked to him instead of the child in the end, everything would have fit.hex23 wrote...
CrisisOne wrote...
Doesn't he also say to "preserve Shepard's body if possible", I always assumed Harbinger wanted shepards body not needed it.
In "Arrival" he says he wants Shepard's mind. He also tells his minions to patch you up, and you're kept alive for 2 days within 20 feet of a Reaper artifact, Object Rho. If they wanted to kill you they had 48 hours to act on it.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Says the guy on an internet forum devoted to a videogame.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Reaper's main gun is a beam if insanely hot metal travelling unimaginable fast. The shockwave alone from a beam of metal travelling at a fraction of the speed of light would atomise Shepard and everything around him. Its simple physics. F=ma. You have a large mass of metal, with an insanely high acceleration - the combination of that force and that heat should have killed everyone there.
i read this in "comic book guy" from the Simpsns voice
Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 02:32 .
Doctor Moustache wrote...
A little theory I thought I would go ahead and work into this thread instead of starting another one, would appriciate input.
What if each cycle, when a reaper is built from a race, the reapers final consciousness is not just from a collective of the race, but a single exemplary specimen of that race. I don't mean it is purely of that one person, but that that one person acts as the fundamental conciousness in which all the others are perhaps obsorbed into to "uplift." What if the reason they want Shepard alive because they want him to become the consciousness of the Human-Reaper. If each cycle has its own equivelent of Shepard (uh oh matrix territory here) and part of the whole reapers plan is for that person to be the one who gets to join them and become one of them, like being Shepard is some right of passage, or at least a show that they have the strongest will and would be capable of it. He is certainly the most exemplary human there is, it would explain why they are so interested in keeping him alive if possible. And now... what if that ends up being a possible ending? Give up and become the Human-Reaper.
I just came up with this idea so its pretty rough around the edges but what do you guys think?
You're the guy trying to decipher hidden meanings in the ending of a videogame to see if the ending isn't what it seems.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Says the guy on an internet forum devoted to a videogame.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Reaper's main gun is a beam if insanely hot metal travelling unimaginable fast. The shockwave alone from a beam of metal travelling at a fraction of the speed of light would atomise Shepard and everything around him. Its simple physics. F=ma. You have a large mass of metal, with an insanely high acceleration - the combination of that force and that heat should have killed everyone there.
i read this in "comic book guy" from the Simpsns voice
would have been to obvoius, nobody would have trusted him and the wieght of the indoc attempt woud have been gone.CrisisOne wrote...
That's what makes me wish we had talked to him instead of the child in the end, everything would have fit.hex23 wrote...
CrisisOne wrote...
Doesn't he also say to "preserve Shepard's body if possible", I always assumed Harbinger wanted shepards body not needed it.
In "Arrival" he says he wants Shepard's mind. He also tells his minions to patch you up, and you're kept alive for 2 days within 20 feet of a Reaper artifact, Object Rho. If they wanted to kill you they had 48 hours to act on it.
I can dig that theory...it would make sense about the "control" option...instead of all of humanity being destroyed...Shep sacrifices himself to control ONE reaper...(which I would think according to your theory would be enough to satisfy their need...the reapers only take "the best of the best" from each race...Doctor Moustache wrote...
A little theory I thought I would go ahead and work into this thread instead of starting another one, would appriciate input.
What if each cycle, when a reaper is built from a race, the reapers final consciousness is not just from a collective of the race, but a single exemplary specimen of that race. I don't mean it is purely of that one person, but that that one person acts as the fundamental conciousness in which all the others are perhaps obsorbed into to "uplift." What if the reason they want Shepard alive because they want him to become the consciousness of the Human-Reaper. If each cycle has its own equivelent of Shepard (uh oh matrix territory here) and part of the whole reapers plan is for that person to be the one who gets to join them and become one of them, like being Shepard is some right of passage, or at least a show that they have the strongest will and would be capable of it. He is certainly the most exemplary human there is, it would explain why they are so interested in keeping him alive if possible. And now... what if that ends up being a possible ending?
I just came up with this idea so its pretty rough around the edges but what do you guys think?
Would have been the best. Video. Ever!Tiax Rules All wrote...
couldnt find one of him at the star trek convention. would have been gold
hex23 wrote...
I really don't understand the fixation on whether or not Harbinger was trying to kill Shep at the end of "ME3"....it's irrelevant because Shepard didn't die. He either went up into the beam, and the ending should be taken at face value, or it's a Reaper hallucination.
Either way, the whole "he would be killed instantly blah blah blah" is a moot point. It's especially odd to focus on this considering 10ish minutes later we see Shepard alive after the Citadel blows up, and a free fall from outer space.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
You're the guy trying to decipher hidden meanings in the ending of a videogame to see if the ending isn't what it seems.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Says the guy on an internet forum devoted to a videogame.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Reaper's main gun is a beam if insanely hot metal travelling unimaginable fast. The shockwave alone from a beam of metal travelling at a fraction of the speed of light would atomise Shepard and everything around him. Its simple physics. F=ma. You have a large mass of metal, with an insanely high acceleration - the combination of that force and that heat should have killed everyone there.
i read this in "comic book guy" from the Simpsns voice
Lets face it, we're all nerds here.
Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but hey ho.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Its the double standard that gets me.
People can ignore stuff like this as bad writing, and yet other small inconsistencies are held up as proof that of the indoctrination theory.
Take, for example, the unlimted ammo in the pistol. Its obvious why this is the case - if for some reason you used all the ammo before the end, and you had a low GaW, you'd be unable to finish the game. Its a gameplay mechanic. Nothing more. Much like how Shepard surviving Reaper beams is there because it is actually quite cool. And yet the unlimted ammo is held up as proof the endings are fake.
Doctor Moustache wrote...
A little theory I thought I would go ahead and work into this thread instead of starting another one, would appriciate input.
What if each cycle, when a reaper is built from a race, the reapers final consciousness is not just from a collective of the race, but a single exemplary specimen of that race. I don't mean it is purely of that one person, but that that one person acts as the fundamental conciousness in which all the others are perhaps obsorbed into to "uplift." What if the reason they want Shepard alive because they want him to become the consciousness of the Human-Reaper. If each cycle has its own equivelent of Shepard (uh oh matrix territory here) and part of the whole reapers plan is for that person to be the one who gets to join them and become one of them, like being Shepard is some right of passage, or at least a show that they have the strongest will and would be capable of it. He is certainly the most exemplary human there is, it would explain why they are so interested in keeping him alive if possible. And now... what if that ends up being a possible ending? Give up and become the Human-Reaper.
I just came up with this idea so its pretty rough around the edges but what do you guys think?
Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Shooting him with a regular gun would kill him, but leave most of him intact. If Cerberus can revive Shepard, the Reapers can use his mind even if he's dead.
Shooting at him with a Reaper gun - a gun that can one-shot a dreadnaught - is going to leave nothing but a smear on the ground.
so what? say then it didnt directly hit him...
dont get hung up on the wrong details. the point is hes not vaporised but nearly dead. thats how they wrote it so thats how it is.
I suppose.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
You're the guy trying to decipher hidden meanings in the ending of a videogame to see if the ending isn't what it seems.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Says the guy on an internet forum devoted to a videogame.Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Reaper's main gun is a beam if insanely hot metal travelling unimaginable fast. The shockwave alone from a beam of metal travelling at a fraction of the speed of light would atomise Shepard and everything around him. Its simple physics. F=ma. You have a large mass of metal, with an insanely high acceleration - the combination of that force and that heat should have killed everyone there.
i read this in "comic book guy" from the Simpsns voice
Lets face it, we're all nerds here.
Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but hey ho.
you are right about that.
just making a joke about that comment as it was nitpicky. as Rock said. its good to question but pick the right battles. this is just chalked up to plotshields
JasonTan87 wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Shooting him with a regular gun would kill him, but leave most of him intact. If Cerberus can revive Shepard, the Reapers can use his mind even if he's dead.
Shooting at him with a Reaper gun - a gun that can one-shot a dreadnaught - is going to leave nothing but a smear on the ground.
so what? say then it didnt directly hit him...
dont get hung up on the wrong details. the point is hes not vaporised but nearly dead. thats how they wrote it so thats how it is.
Stop cramming your indoctrination theory down other people's mouths. Keep to the thread you've started.
Because in either case it's goddamn sloppy writing.
Rockpopple wrote...
Doctor Moustache wrote...
A little theory I thought I would go ahead and work into this thread instead of starting another one, would appriciate input.
What if each cycle, when a reaper is built from a race, the reapers final consciousness is not just from a collective of the race, but a single exemplary specimen of that race. I don't mean it is purely of that one person, but that that one person acts as the fundamental conciousness in which all the others are perhaps obsorbed into to "uplift." What if the reason they want Shepard alive because they want him to become the consciousness of the Human-Reaper. If each cycle has its own equivelent of Shepard (uh oh matrix territory here) and part of the whole reapers plan is for that person to be the one who gets to join them and become one of them, like being Shepard is some right of passage, or at least a show that they have the strongest will and would be capable of it. He is certainly the most exemplary human there is, it would explain why they are so interested in keeping him alive if possible. And now... what if that ends up being a possible ending? Give up and become the Human-Reaper.
I just came up with this idea so its pretty rough around the edges but what do you guys think?
Hm, the only thing wrong with this theory is that the Reapers were attempting to build a human-Reaper already, without Shepard. Unless they thought the Collectors would finish the job for him.
I have no problem with people wanting to believe the theory. I personally am pretending that the sequence with the Catalyst child never happens - the Crucible is activated from the platform Anderson dies on. I'm also ignoring the Normandy crash.hex23 wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Its the double standard that gets me.
People can ignore stuff like this as bad writing, and yet other small inconsistencies are held up as proof that of the indoctrination theory.
Take, for example, the unlimted ammo in the pistol. Its obvious why this is the case - if for some reason you used all the ammo before the end, and you had a low GaW, you'd be unable to finish the game. Its a gameplay mechanic. Nothing more. Much like how Shepard surviving Reaper beams is there because it is actually quite cool. And yet the unlimted ammo is held up as proof the endings are fake.
I could see your point if the unlimited ammo was a key point of the indoctrination theory....it's not though.
Shepard surviving a Reaper laser has nothing to do with anything. He obviously did, no matter what ending theory you believe.
Do I 100% believe in indoctrination theory? No....it's impossible to. It's just an idea at the moment. But the alternative, Star Kid/Space Magic/Shep survived a free fall from outerspace, makes even less sense.
Tiax Rules All wrote...
JasonTan87 wrote...
Tiax Rules All wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Shooting him with a regular gun would kill him, but leave most of him intact. If Cerberus can revive Shepard, the Reapers can use his mind even if he's dead.
Shooting at him with a Reaper gun - a gun that can one-shot a dreadnaught - is going to leave nothing but a smear on the ground.
so what? say then it didnt directly hit him...
dont get hung up on the wrong details. the point is hes not vaporised but nearly dead. thats how they wrote it so thats how it is.
Stop cramming your indoctrination theory down other people's mouths. Keep to the thread you've started.
Because in either case it's goddamn sloppy writing.
lol, so you come in to my thread to shove your bad writing opionion down my through. bye
I have no problem with people wanting to believe the theory. I personally am pretending that the sequence with the Catalyst child never happens - the Crucible is activated from the platform Anderson dies on. I'm also ignoring the Normandy crash.Candidate 88766 wrote...
I could see your point if the unlimited ammo was a key point of the indoctrination theory....it's not though.
Shepard surviving a Reaper laser has nothing to do with anything. He obviously did, no matter what ending theory you believe.
Do I 100% believe in indoctrination theory? No....it's impossible to. It's just an idea at the moment. But the alternative, Star Kid/Space Magic/Shep survived a free fall from outerspace, makes even less sense.
it was a dream)Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 02:50 .
Tiax Rules All wrote...
would have been to obvoius, nobody would have trusted him and the wieght of the indoc attempt woud have been gone.CrisisOne wrote...
That's what makes me wish we had talked to him instead of the child in the end, everything would have fit.hex23 wrote...
CrisisOne wrote...
Doesn't he also say to "preserve Shepard's body if possible", I always assumed Harbinger wanted shepards body not needed it.
In "Arrival" he says he wants Shepard's mind. He also tells his minions to patch you up, and you're kept alive for 2 days within 20 feet of a Reaper artifact, Object Rho. If they wanted to kill you they had 48 hours to act on it.
interesting...Bigdoser wrote...
GUYS CHECK THIS OUT READ THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
Someone posted this in the hallucination topic.
Probably been posted, but just in case it hasn't: http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png
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