Proof of indoctrination. If you pick Control or Synthesise, this happens to Shepard's eyes:
http://imgur.com/0sSDD
Just like Saren and TIM. You can't combat this evidence. Don't. Even. Try.
I want to discuss Rubble/ Shep Lives ending.
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#577
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 02:02
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RussianZombeh wrote...
Proof of indoctrination. If you pick Control or Synthesise, this happens to Shepard's eyes:
http://imgur.com/0sSDD
Just like Saren and TIM. You can't combat this evidence. Don't. Even. Try.
I never noticed it with Saren..maybe hard to tell with Turian eyes? But...that would imply that TIM was indoctrinated since day 1.
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OP: Maybe you already covered this, but in your original thread, you say after Sheperd gets hit by the beam he/she becomes weakened and then becomes indoctrinated etc..etc. But, at the start of the "rush the beam" scene, your crew members dissapear. I mean..wtf is up with that?
It's one of those things about the ending that just doesn't make sense, implying the possibility of indoctrination before Sheperd ever gets hit by the beam...but how?
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 02:15
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Another proof that the end is some kind of indocrination or hallucination:
Take EDI with you to the beam, choose good ending (red, surviving), -> killing all synthetics, watch normandy crash, wait, who's leaving the ship behind Joker? Yes, it's EDI, which should be as dead as all Reapers and Geth. Can't proove it but that's what people told me.
Take EDI with you to the beam, choose good ending (red, surviving), -> killing all synthetics, watch normandy crash, wait, who's leaving the ship behind Joker? Yes, it's EDI, which should be as dead as all Reapers and Geth. Can't proove it but that's what people told me.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 02:21
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Has anyone noticed that the sound effects when the body is lying in the rubble is not battle sounds, as one would expect, but rather the sound of metal creaking etc? That to me says Citadel, rather than London. Odd, but...? Thoughts?
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 12:52
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Much better comparison photos added to the OP, check em out.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 12:54
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Phobius9 wrote...
Has anyone noticed that the sound effects when the body is lying in the rubble is not battle sounds, as one would expect, but rather the sound of metal creaking etc? That to me says Citadel, rather than London. Odd, but...? Thoughts?
Don't think the Citadel was built with concrete.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:00
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Zardoc wrote...
Phobius9 wrote...
Has anyone noticed that the sound effects when the body is lying in the rubble is not battle sounds, as one would expect, but rather the sound of metal creaking etc? That to me says Citadel, rather than London. Odd, but...? Thoughts?
Don't think the Citadel was built with concrete.
no it certainly wasnt. the new OP pics are pretty hard to deny, you can basically se how the building blocks and rubble are identical.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:03
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Agreed. Although why they would make us suffer like this if indoc theory is indeed true is beyond me.
It's like I thouched their mind, fumbling in ignorance...or something
It's like I thouched their mind, fumbling in ignorance...or something
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:09
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GarrusVFan wrote...
RussianZombeh wrote...
Proof of indoctrination. If you pick Control or Synthesise, this happens to Shepard's eyes:
http://imgur.com/0sSDD
Just like Saren and TIM. You can't combat this evidence. Don't. Even. Try.
I never noticed it with Saren..maybe hard to tell with Turian eyes? But...that would imply that TIM was indoctrinated since day 1.
ALSO
OP: Maybe you already covered this, but in your original thread, you say after Sheperd gets hit by the beam he/she becomes weakened and then becomes indoctrinated etc..etc. But, at the start of the "rush the beam" scene, your crew members dissapear. I mean..wtf is up with that?
It's one of those things about the ending that just doesn't make sense, implying the possibility of indoctrination before Sheperd ever gets hit by the beam...but how?
Well, there was that deleted scene where Liara and Garrus fall behind and get blasted with the laser.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:09
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One thing people use to back up the indoctrination theory is how did Anderson get to the control panel first?
The poor writing of the developers attempts to provide the player an explanation as to how he reached the panel. This demonstrates the indoctrination theory was not even considered, it was simply just poor writing.
Anderson reaches the 'shifting walls' bit, where the room realigns itself. If Anderson was going along a different corridor slightly ahead of Shepard, but then it realigns itself. This makes it seem like Anderson used our corridor to get to the panel, but in fact he did not.
The poor writing of the developers attempts to provide the player an explanation as to how he reached the panel. This demonstrates the indoctrination theory was not even considered, it was simply just poor writing.
Anderson reaches the 'shifting walls' bit, where the room realigns itself. If Anderson was going along a different corridor slightly ahead of Shepard, but then it realigns itself. This makes it seem like Anderson used our corridor to get to the panel, but in fact he did not.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:10
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Why didn't the Reaper just turn off the beam? You know, like...
"Ohoho the hole galaxy is here, and the great Shepard is back on earth. Harby, go down and finish him!"
"Naah can't we just let him get really close to the beam and than switch it off? That would be so much fun, imagine his face!"
"Yeah you're right! And then you go down and pew-pew his face away! And make sure he stays down. Not like what happened in the parallel-universe!"
I would even enjoy this ending over what we got...
"Ohoho the hole galaxy is here, and the great Shepard is back on earth. Harby, go down and finish him!"
"Naah can't we just let him get really close to the beam and than switch it off? That would be so much fun, imagine his face!"
"Yeah you're right! And then you go down and pew-pew his face away! And make sure he stays down. Not like what happened in the parallel-universe!"
I would even enjoy this ending over what we got...
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:12
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Liber320 wrote...
Agreed. Although why they would make us suffer like this if indoc theory is indeed true is beyond me.
It's like I thouched their mind, fumbling in ignorance...or something
i'm not sure, but i hope we find out soon. im sure its because they CANT rather then they DONT WANT TO.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:15
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Tven0 wrote...
One thing people use to back up the indoctrination theory is how did Anderson get to the control panel first?
The poor writing of the developers attempts to provide the player an explanation as to how he reached the panel. This demonstrates the indoctrination theory was not even considered, it was simply just poor writing.
Anderson reaches the 'shifting walls' bit, where the room realigns itself. If Anderson was going along a different corridor slightly ahead of Shepard, but then it realigns itself. This makes it seem like Anderson used our corridor to get to the panel, but in fact he did not.
thats assuming any of that even matters. maybe its supposed to be odd as heck so you snap out of it. You guys say there are no clue to indoc all the while citing the clues yourself.. you are not understanding the theory fully. Anderson is not there, niether is Shepard. The last sequences are not real.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:17
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ManznPain wrote...
Why didn't the Reaper just turn off the beam? You know, like...
"Ohoho the hole galaxy is here, and the great Shepard is back on earth. Harby, go down and finish him!"
"Naah can't we just let him get really close to the beam and than switch it off? That would be so much fun, imagine his face!"
"Yeah you're right! And then you go down and pew-pew his face away! And make sure he stays down. Not like what happened in the parallel-universe!"
I would even enjoy this ending over what we got...
Harby doesn't need to turn off the beam, Shep never made it to it. Harby hit him with a laser beam remeber, just as good. Even better, now Harby can indoctrinate you.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:18
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GarrusVFan wrote...
But...that would imply that TIM was indoctrinated since day 1.
He is.
Mass Effect Evolution. Chapter 1, second to last page.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:22
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Tiax Rules All wrote...
ManznPain wrote...
Why didn't the Reaper just turn off the beam? You know, like...
"Ohoho the hole galaxy is here, and the great Shepard is back on earth. Harby, go down and finish him!"
"Naah can't we just let him get really close to the beam and than switch it off? That would be so much fun, imagine his face!"
"Yeah you're right! And then you go down and pew-pew his face away! And make sure he stays down. Not like what happened in the parallel-universe!"
I would even enjoy this ending over what we got...
Harby doesn't need to turn off the beam, Shep never made it to it. Harby hit him with a laser beam remeber, just as good. Even better, now Harby can indoctrinate you.
Yeah you're right... But i would love to see the expression on Shepards face if that did really happen
But I'm more confused why I posted this in a thread that is here to discuss the Rubble / Shep Lives ending. Since I finished the game I just can't get things straight it seems. >.<
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:24
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Makes the most sense.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:35
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Indoctrination does seem to be whats going on here. If its true then this ending is pure genius because it screws with your mind.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:37
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:37
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to many pages/ didn't read.
Just thought I would throw in my two cents and say to the extent the rubble that Shepard was in didn't look like Citadel rubble. If it were it would have been real shiny since everything on the damn Citadel is shiny, that was more like concrete which is found where I wonder....
Just thought I would throw in my two cents and say to the extent the rubble that Shepard was in didn't look like Citadel rubble. If it were it would have been real shiny since everything on the damn Citadel is shiny, that was more like concrete which is found where I wonder....
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:39
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Paragon Auducan wrote...
http://i9.photobucke...Vgt43/Proof.png
More proof that shows Shepard's body was on earth. Further improving the theory. I don't see Bioware actually using it though since we kind of figured out the surprise.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:48
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:14
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I like the indoctrination theory, but I may have found a problem with this part of the ending.
This is one of the original screen captures I took of the Shepard alive scene. It's a little before the camera moves over to Shepard.
Here's an adjusted picture. All I did was adjust color levels to brighten it up.
That clearly looks like major metal structure(s) in the background, and possibily even part of the now destroyed Citadel structure. The concrete is still an issue. I can't really tell if the Citadel has no concrete or not. Sometime it looks like it does, while other times, it looks like it doesn't.
Another issue is with what is thought to be metal/steel rebar used in regular concrete construction. Here's an example from the final scene of Shepard alive. Again, I've adjusted color levels to brighten the picture.
It's on the right hand side. I don't think that is rebar. I think it's cables. There are two there. It's too big to be rebar, and it is not shaped like rebar. Rebar has a curved spiral ridge. What you see here are edges that do not curve in an up or down direction. They wrap around straight, so to speak, and they are just way to wide. Look at other rebar from the Hammer Intro scene in London for comparison with shape and size.
Rebar with a curved ridge line. It also gives some what of a size comparison with Anderson
More rebar with better size comparison with a husk. It is considerably smaller than what is beside Shepard, and counters arguments such as "maybe they use larger rebar in the future," because they clearly do not.
Here is a shot of Anderson about to destroy the Reapers. Sadly, these look much more like the cables/rebar that appears in the Shepard alive scene. It's not close enough to see the ridge lines, but the size looks like a better fit, and, if the scene is not a dream or whatever, there are clearly an adundance of them there to be thrown around in the impending explosion.
At first, I hoped this scene was part of the indoctrination theory - mainly because I wanted that theory to be true. It meant there was more to the story and those last few minutes dubbed "the ending" actually made some sense. I think the Shepard alive scene is Shepard after the explosion on the Citadel now. I'm not happy about that for one, because I like the indoctrination theory, and, two, I'm running out of places to put all the gigantic plot holes the end of this game created.
This is one of the original screen captures I took of the Shepard alive scene. It's a little before the camera moves over to Shepard.
Here's an adjusted picture. All I did was adjust color levels to brighten it up.
That clearly looks like major metal structure(s) in the background, and possibily even part of the now destroyed Citadel structure. The concrete is still an issue. I can't really tell if the Citadel has no concrete or not. Sometime it looks like it does, while other times, it looks like it doesn't.
Another issue is with what is thought to be metal/steel rebar used in regular concrete construction. Here's an example from the final scene of Shepard alive. Again, I've adjusted color levels to brighten the picture.
It's on the right hand side. I don't think that is rebar. I think it's cables. There are two there. It's too big to be rebar, and it is not shaped like rebar. Rebar has a curved spiral ridge. What you see here are edges that do not curve in an up or down direction. They wrap around straight, so to speak, and they are just way to wide. Look at other rebar from the Hammer Intro scene in London for comparison with shape and size.
Rebar with a curved ridge line. It also gives some what of a size comparison with Anderson
More rebar with better size comparison with a husk. It is considerably smaller than what is beside Shepard, and counters arguments such as "maybe they use larger rebar in the future," because they clearly do not.
Here is a shot of Anderson about to destroy the Reapers. Sadly, these look much more like the cables/rebar that appears in the Shepard alive scene. It's not close enough to see the ridge lines, but the size looks like a better fit, and, if the scene is not a dream or whatever, there are clearly an adundance of them there to be thrown around in the impending explosion.
At first, I hoped this scene was part of the indoctrination theory - mainly because I wanted that theory to be true. It meant there was more to the story and those last few minutes dubbed "the ending" actually made some sense. I think the Shepard alive scene is Shepard after the explosion on the Citadel now. I'm not happy about that for one, because I like the indoctrination theory, and, two, I'm running out of places to put all the gigantic plot holes the end of this game created.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:57
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I'd argue that it's highly unlikely that the entire Citadel structure is made of metal. Key structural components may be, but I'd imagine that the internal walls, such as those forming the actual buildings could be made of concrete or equivalent. Again, if that final shot was in London, I'd imagine sound of combat etc. That's not what's heard.
Tiax, I'm pretty sure that 'metal structure' you mention in the first set of pictures on this page is supposed to be part of Shepard's armour.
Tiax, I'm pretty sure that 'metal structure' you mention in the first set of pictures on this page is supposed to be part of Shepard's armour.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:01
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Tven0 wrote...
One thing people use to back up the indoctrination theory is how did Anderson get to the control panel first?
The poor writing of the developers attempts to provide the player an explanation as to how he reached the panel. This demonstrates the indoctrination theory was not even considered, it was simply just poor writing.
Anderson reaches the 'shifting walls' bit, where the room realigns itself. If Anderson was going along a different corridor slightly ahead of Shepard, but then it realigns itself. This makes it seem like Anderson used our corridor to get to the panel, but in fact he did not.
Did you not read the OP? OP proves indoctrination theory, period.
Anderson's dialogue "in the citadel" contradicts common sense, everything about the ending sequence is intentionally made to make it look out of place.
