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[xeNNN]

suusuuu wrote...

War Asset acquired: Cynical Brit ?

most of my kind are indeed cynical including me then again we share our countries resources with 3 others who dont share back so you could understand why lol. 

[SolonTheWhite]

Total Biscuit getting it right.

[Rolling Flame]

Very well said.

[Blind2Society]

xeNNN wrote...

then again we share our countries resources with 3 others who dont share back so you could understand why lol. 

Oh I assure you, we Americans know exactly what you mean.

[suusuuu]

bumpity bump

[mupp3tz]

It's only in these types of videos that there's actually good reasoning instead of:
- repeat "whiny", "entitled", and "fanboy/fangirl" as many times as possible, and
- hear a funny comparison about "well, why don't we change the ending of X and Y?" and copy
- "artistic vision"

[wrdnshprd]

eye basher wrote...

Meh i'll pass on TB rant's there pointless i like to live in the real world not fantasy land.There's 2 kinds of people in the world the ones that step and the ones who get stepped on people with money step on the ones without any that's how the world has worked that's how the world works and that's how the world will always work and nothing anyone says or those will ever change it.

first.. run on sentences for the loss.. try some punctuation next time.. just saying.

anyway, glad our founding fathers didnt have this attitude..

i agree though, things wont get done unless we take action.. and im not talking about the 'give me endingz!!' stuff.. just dont buy their products, and if you have a sub to TOR, cancel it.  its really that simple.

if you feel that passionately about this issue, the day one DLC issue, etc..  we DO have the ability to make an impact if we wanted.

imagine if bioware only sold 3,000 copies of ME3 in the first week, and imagine if the TOR subs went down 80%.. you dont think that would have impacted bioware??  of course it would have.

edit:  that to me is 'holding the line'

and this video is really no different than the day 1 DLC vid.  its what he's been saying all along.  however, because its in response to a subject people can agree on, he suddenly is in the right. 

which i have to scratch my head with.. for whatever reason customers are ok with being nickel and dimed with DLC.. but get presented with a crappy ending and all the sudden its the holocaust.  but whatev, at least he's getting the praise now like he should have gotten in the first place.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 14 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[monsieur_wiseman]

I do understand the ending, and that's the probleme....with inception i had to think and do a second viewing (like memento), but this ending was like hanar with ****** ( ).
Worst it's too generic. i understandthe difficulty to offer a multiple end to 100hours of game. but it wasn't wrote to be a trilogy from the start ?

Still there are monumental loose-end (no pun intended) like
* the dark energy stuff who kill star in ME 2.
* The shepard alive cliffhanger ( well in space in a ruin citadel with no technologie... ME2 prove that shepard do not have redondant nervous system ( lol) ).
* The jocker and anderson cut dialogue ( present on the disc.....like Jarvis in the demo ? )
* The galaxy without mass relay....without technologie... no more interstellar adventure..
* Do not mention all the alien on earth at the end, they will die alone, or starve to death (like turian ?)
* okay jocker - liara together on a desert planet......with his desease he will die rapidly...liara will maybe live a thousand years alone....(that's the worst). and if EDI survive ? how long his battery last ? If they are hybrid...can they even reproduce ? can they leave this solar system without mass relay ?
* bioware can fix it, industrie listen sometime... apple remove his DRM. bioware offer ME2 for DA2 buyers. Microsoft do release patch. Some movie have director cut or alternate ending (even alternate movie see superman 2 Richard Donner cut).
* video game art or product.....well until the last hours of mass effect, i would say art...really...but the end scream product push to the store.
* Whatever your choice in LI or paragon/renegade...it's the three same choice

[the red boon]

What's funny is there are a couple people here who believe corporations can do no wrong.

[Blind2Society]

the red boon wrote...

What's funny is there are a couple people here who believe corporations can do no wrong.

Which is a cryin' shame.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Well said. I agree and its nice to have someone shed some light on this issue. 

Modifié par WhiteVV1ings, 14 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[LinksOcarina]

suusuuu wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Eh...hes just another dude on a soapbox to me.

nothing against him, but when people take his stuff as gospel, I get annoyed easily since he usually has little to back it up in terms of evidence.

It doesn't matter. In an issue like this, the numbers matter, not the quality. 

In what sense then?

Numbers can be a factor in terms of things like stocks and what not, but quality of information and the interpretation of information, is key here.

What people tend to forget is that you can shape things into facts. When you prove evidence to the contrary, its hard to shape things then.  It's an old history method really of reading between the lines of things. Its easy to call out BS when people are passionate, but difficult to go against factual information and hard statistics.

[trembli0s]

Great bit.

For what its worth, most of the forums that I read, HardOCP/PennyArcade, think the game is great and the ending is ****.

Basically its really widespread!

[Sashimi_taco]

I'm sorry i doubted you total buscut. I was so busy defending bioware that I didn't realize you were right the whole time.

The day one DLC did have a lot of important information about the galaxy and put a different perspective on the game.

[xeNNN]

Blind2Society wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

then again we share our countries resources with 3 others who dont share back so you could understand why lol. 

Oh I assure you, we Americans know exactly what you mean.

this is true but then again you owe china money to so i guess ultimately china wins this conversation by default ?

[Alpha-Centuri]

China owns the majority of our FOREIGN debt, which makes up 10% total of all debt we have. America owes the American people far far more. Something like 50,000 per head. Before we get bogged down on that though...

Great job TB.

[suusuuu]

LinksOcarina wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Eh...hes just another dude on a soapbox to me.

nothing against him, but when people take his stuff as gospel, I get annoyed easily since he usually has little to back it up in terms of evidence.

It doesn't matter. In an issue like this, the numbers matter, not the quality. 

In what sense then?

Numbers can be a factor in terms of things like stocks and what not, but quality of information and the interpretation of information, is key here.

What people tend to forget is that you can shape things into facts. When you prove evidence to the contrary, its hard to shape things then.  It's an old history method really of reading between the lines of things. Its easy to call out BS when people are passionate, but difficult to go against factual information and hard statistics.

Yes, however first of all, as people have already stated in this thread, he doesn't need to provide evidence for these specific arguments. You should not discredit a person for making a mistake in the past if he is correct at the moment.
Second of all, one individual with stellar evidence against something is not going to make a company such as EA waver. But a million of individuals who won't buy EA products again don't have to provide any evidence or any REASON to be a realistic threat to them as a company. That's why, in this case, numbers matter. 

Modifié par suusuuu, 14 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[ShdwFox7]

Exactly, right on. If you commission an artist a paint a picture of a banana, and they paint you an apple, are you suppose to just take your apple painting and smile? Heck no! It's the same way with video games. As a game developer they have a responsibility to deliver on the promises they make. And the only way it's going to change is if we the consumers stop buying into that sort of garbage. In short, continue to boycott Bioware and hold the line.

[Lucy Glitter]

 100 POINTS TO TOTALBISCUIT!

[Ianamus]

I agree with him completely. Good as mass Effect 3 was the ending was sub-par, and unless they can fix this we have every reason to complain and be angry at them. They promised us a satisfactory ending and they didn't deliver, they have no right to be defended by anyone in this respect. 

If they keep this sort of thing up people will stop buying their games and move to a competitor. All it takes is another company to offer new games with great stories and choices and actually wrap them up well and everybody will move over to them instead. 

Modifié par EJ107, 14 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[pomrink]

this is great

[LinksOcarina]

suusuuu wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Eh...hes just another dude on a soapbox to me.

nothing against him, but when people take his stuff as gospel, I get annoyed easily since he usually has little to back it up in terms of evidence.

It doesn't matter. In an issue like this, the numbers matter, not the quality. 

In what sense then?

Numbers can be a factor in terms of things like stocks and what not, but quality of information and the interpretation of information, is key here.

What people tend to forget is that you can shape things into facts. When you prove evidence to the contrary, its hard to shape things then.  It's an old history method really of reading between the lines of things. Its easy to call out BS when people are passionate, but difficult to go against factual information and hard statistics.

Yes, however first of all, as people have already stated in this thread, he doesn't need to provide evidence for these specific arguments. You should not discredit a person for making a mistake in the past if he is correct at the moment.
Second of all, one individual with stellar evidence against something is not going to make a company such as EA waver. But a million of individuals who won't buy EA products again don't have to provide any evidence or any REASON to be a realistic threat to them as a company. That's why, in this case, numbers matter. 

You are missing the point. 

When someone brings forth an opinion on things, the problem is that the evidence behind the opinion is usually not factual. TB, for example, was wrong about the DLC stuff, and his video stating his thoughts on it was nothing but supossion that people took for gospel. 


The problem I have with guys like TB is that yeah, the opinion is fine. If a lot of people follow it, its fine. But is it fact? If what he is saying is not factual, then the opinion is moot. I hate these false analogies, but its like me saying the sky is green because its my opinion, and no one can change that. That is dangerous in a mob mentality when you put it forth and expect people to take you for your word. Then if you don't check it out or do research on things to form your own opinion, it becomes even worse. 

I know he has two shows, so maybe I am spoiled by watching the inferior show (I think its the mailbag one is where he verbally states everything is my opinion on this matter, which is good he disclaims that) , but what bothers me is he doesn't check out his facts and give updates for most of what he says, and in the end just offers more platitudes against things.

Hes a kid on a soapbox stirring the pot, but he has nothing to say with weight in the end. Its insightful and thought provoking, but it doesn't mean I should take him by his word.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 14 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[magicalpoop]

IGN is owned by News Corp, that also owns Fox News.

Enough said.

Oh and Colin Moriarty is a clown.

[Drak41n]

The logical conclusion of what that ign moron says is that consumer expectations should conform to what a corporation produces. Stellar logic. Like I should be privileged that I have the right to spend my money on a product...