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[Paragon_Sheppard]

shepardthegreat97 wrote...

First off, I would like to establish I have been a ME fan sense it came out. And yes,  I did play (and watch as well) the ending.

 People are petitioning for a DLC that changes the Mass Effect 3 ending. But... not going to happen.

1). Bioware has said multiple times "For all those Mass Effect fans, there will be more." Why change the ending when Bioware can release another game that shows the rebuilding of the Mass Relays (its Bioware, they will find a way) and the fate of the normandy crews. Everyone wins. Bioware makes millions, fans get closure. (mind=blown)

2). All those who create art accept criticism. But Bioware seems to encourage it. They wanted an unforgettable ending. And you know what, the succeeded. This is the most I have ever seen anyone talk about an ending. That being said, was the ending preforable? To me, sort of. It ended Shepards story perfectly. But it never really applied your choices to the ending. Unless you derped through the entire game, everyones ending was pretty much the same. But, with a new game, Bioware can apply choices from all ME games, including if you cured the genophage and if Earth survived. (I am aware the krogans are probably dead, but then again, plummeting to a planet from outer space didnt kill Shepard.)

3). If in some slim situation that Bioware released a DLC, not everyone would buy it (or even download it if it was free.) I would pay like 3 dollars for a new ending, but that is the extent. And if they were to release another game, all the people who got default endings would be like . I would officially be Biowares bi*** if they did.

 I hope my points were valid enough. If not oh well. If I am wrong, I will be happy to eat my own words.

One fatal flaw to your wall of text.

Who the **** is going to buy Mass Effect 4 when 3 bent us over the table and made unpassionate love to us all night?

[shepardthegreat97]

Evil Minion wrote...

DrowNoble wrote...

shepardthegreat97 wrote...

First off, I would like to establish I have been a ME fan sense it came out. And yes,  I did play (and watch as well) the ending.

 People are petitioning for a DLC that changes the Mass Effect 3 ending. But... not going to happen.

1). Bioware has said multiple times "For all those Mass Effect fans, there will be more." Why change the ending when Bioware can release another game that shows the rebuilding of the Mass Relays (its Bioware, they will find a way) and the fate of the normandy crews. Everyone wins. Bioware makes millions, fans get closure. (mind=blown)

2). All those who create art accept criticism. But Bioware seems to encourage it. They wanted an unforgettable ending. And you know what, the succeeded. This is the most I have ever seen anyone talk about an ending. That being said, was the ending preforable? To me, sort of. It ended Shepards story perfectly. But it never really applied your choices to the ending. Unless you derped through the entire game, everyones ending was pretty much the same. But, with a new game, Bioware can apply choices from all ME games, including if you cured the genophage and if Earth survived. (I am aware the krogans are probably dead, but then again, plummeting to a planet from outer space didnt kill Shepard.)

3). If in some slim situation that Bioware released a DLC, not everyone would buy it (or even download it if it was free.) I would pay like 3 dollars for a new ending, but that is the extent. And if they were to release another game, all the people who got default endings would be like . I would officially be Biowares bi*** if they did.

 I hope my points were valid enough. If not oh well. If I am wrong, I will be happy to eat my own words.

Problem is the way ME3 ended, there can't be an ME4.  No relays, no interstellar travel.  Most races are dead as when the relays go boom the nearby system went boom with it.  If somehow Earth didn't go boom, every race will die out as Earth can't support all those people (turians can't eat human food fyi).

Can't even do a "beat the game continue on" DLC since, as I stated above, no interstellar travel and dozens of systmes destroyed.

There have been numerous posts and articles about why this isn't about being critical of art.  It's about an unsatisfying ending that was filled with plot holes and no closure.  Not to mention the dishonesty from Bioware about how there were 17 different endings, a satisfying conclusion and a culmination of all our decisions.  All lies.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

1. The relays were only "destroyed" in the "red" ending. They were not destroyed in either the green or blue ending.

2. There will be ample opportunity to rebuild the galaxy even in the "red" ending. We have no idea if every system was wiped out, and we certainly have no reason to think that the races couldn't re-invent the necessary technology.

3. Glactic civilization continues. The old man and the kid are proof of that.

 Thank you kind sir.

[Slashice]

The new soundtrack for the upcoming Mass Effect 4



Finished with the trolling for tonight tho let's hope BW will come up with a reasonable ending unless they're going to loose a lot of fans... and ofcourse money..

Modifié par Slashice, 14 mars 2012 - 10:03 .

[deathscythe517]

If you mean unforgettable that they simply used shock to have it etched into people's mind, then yes, look, you can't defend them as an art form because they clearly want you to pay them for more content and make their damndest effort to hammer this in. They cannot be defended as a business because the ending proves that when you ****** people off they will put their money to better use or take it elsewhere.

Bioware is using insane troll logic, had a very brief but very severe lapse in judgement, or they honestly believe they can do no wrong. Personally? I'm cynical so I'm going to say they'll pay some people to entertain us while stalling addressing our concerns for as long as possible.

Meanwhile we'll get the same people coming up with the same half-arsed defenses for the endings either to be contrarian, some ill-conceived conception that they're somehow more realistic or artistic for stomaching a dark ending, pretending to be more intelligent by coming up with conspiracy theories for the ending.

I'm sorry, the indoctrination theory is crap, they borked the ending, no amount of theories surrounding it will help at all and at best it's counter-productive because you're giving Bioware an excuse to give you a spoon-fed crap explanation for their crap ending instead of actually rectifying it. It disheartens me so much that the most hostile people here seem to be the ones sticking up for a corporation that has people for that sort of thing, but hey, your mere existence will allow them to fire those people inevitably...after all it's like having a deniable PR department that pays them.

[Lovirane]

I appreciate your post. Rather than attack the community here you base your case on something a little more.. solid.

Modifié par Lovirane, 14 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Captain Arty]

The OP makes fair points. But... I can see no scenario where it is best to leave the current ending unfixed.

Their fan base is eroding by the minute. The customer reviews on the sites that actually sell the games, and by the clerks in Gamestops everywhere, are pretty scathing. It's shaping up to be a catastrophic disappointment the likes of which the gaming community has never seen.

Supposing that an ending DLC isn't released, Bioware has truly crushed their preorder market for sure on any Mass Effect game after this. And unless an ending DLC is released, they've crushed the market for any other DLC releases. Bioware and EA lose. And the players that gave their heart and soul to hundreds of hours of gameplay and replay lose with a terrible ending. Everyone loses.

On the other hand, if Bioware somehow fixes this, either through DLC or by announcing that ME4, a sequel, is in the works, they'll either be applauded as innovative or sensitive to their fanbase in a competitive game market. Everyone wins.

They're not evil, they just blew it. They'll be able to sell more games, but their market will be damaged for a very long time unless the fix this.

[shepardthegreat97]

Slashice wrote...

The new soundtrack for the upcoming Mass Effect 4

 See what I mean? You refuse to accept anything other than another failure (yes i said it, the ending was fail) on biowares/EAs part.

[shepardthegreat97]

Slashice wrote...

The new soundtrack for the upcoming Mass Effect 4

 See what I mean? You refuse to accept anything other than another failure (yes i said it, the ending was fail) on biowares/EAs part.

[aridor1570]

No one posted this yet, so here you go:

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Some twittering with the devs - are we
trolled or they are up to something that will blow us all away?

User
1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have
something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect:
"The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


User 2: "You are
either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it
be both?"


User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not
what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect:
"We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions
matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could
quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint
would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his
twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be
different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to
be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my
saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


User
6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it
may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not
playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and
recording what feedback we receive."


User 7: "Its not that
the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE.
Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect:
"Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


User 8: "Do y'all
have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new
ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via
Facebook and Twitter when the news is available ."

And some
more:

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to
get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!
Merizan
- I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more
people have played we'll talk

User 2 - then I want to SEE that
he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander
Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying
spoiler free for now

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid
instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he
went meekly into the night?

[Tezzajh]

ME4 ha don't be silly they said they intended on making a mmorpg for mass effect earlier in the year, theyve seen they can make big bucks with the yearly subscription $100 a year for TOR

[TransientNomad]

BurtieBee wrote...

I would argue that it is indeed forgettable, and that's what's got everyone up in arms. If they don't fix it, eventually everyone will move on, and the ME trilogy will simply become the series that "could have been great".

Five minutes at the end shouldn't ruin what was a fantastic series.

It shouldn't.  But it did.  Kudos Bioware.

[moonlightwolf]

Trouble is this isn't so much a fan issue or an art issue but a trading standards issue.

Promotional material, developer interviews and previews continually stated that the player choices would matter, they even suggested there would be multiple endings which reflected player choices throughout the previous games. These advertised promises have been broken.

Games are also a very different art form to music or a painting, you don't get DLC that adds a new colour scheme to a van gough or a guitar riff to beethovens 5th. but games are a collaboration of many artists and unfortunately also money hungry publishers. Casey Hudson has already suggested that some DLC will address fan feedback (though not change the ending) this gives credence to the dream/indoctrination theory and also suggests that the unsatisfactory ending is a tool to bring in greater profits.

That goes against even the most basic concepts of art.

[tay2208]

Never wanted a "new" ending, I just want a more complete one than I got. Don't change it, just add to it, explain why things happened and what happens next.

[Slashice]

shepardthegreat97 wrote...

Slashice wrote...

The new soundtrack for the upcoming Mass Effect 4

 See what I mean? You refuse to accept anything other than another failure (yes i said it, the ending was fail) on biowares/EAs part.

BW/EA failed at DA2 and at the ending of ME3... I don't really have much faith in them anymore. I wasn't expecting much from the lore since Karpyshyn left but it was a sweet surprise untill the last 10-15 minutes which simply does not make any sense. Tho the rest was pretty cool not every game brought tears in my eyes and gave goosebumps... so it was cool, decent, untill the point we allready know which one (and I'm not whining about "omg my Shepard died without having a children with his LI", I'm talking about all the plot holes and inconsistent stuff).

[shepardthegreat97]

moonlightwolf wrote...

Trouble is this isn't so much a fan issue or an art issue but a trading standards issue.

Promotional material, developer interviews and previews continually stated that the player choices would matter, they even suggested there would be multiple endings which reflected player choices throughout the previous games. These advertised promises have been broken.

Games are also a very different art form to music or a painting, you don't get DLC that adds a new colour scheme to a van gough or a guitar riff to beethovens 5th. but games are a collaboration of many artists and unfortunately also money hungry publishers. Casey Hudson has already suggested that some DLC will address fan feedback (though not change the ending) this gives credence to the dream/indoctrination theory and also suggests that the unsatisfactory ending is a tool to bring in greater profits.

That goes against even the most basic concepts of art.

 This is the kind of post I like. Someone who does what I did and backs their opinion up with proof. Thank you for contributing your opinion, even if I do not agree.

[Elvwood]

What everyone does not know is that Bioware also merged with Geico
You Give us 15 minutes and we'll lower you expectations.

Seriously even if they come out with a DLC I have to wonder if they will fix the assets problem if you just want to play solo. If a new ending relies on your saved game ending (shepard lives or dies ) then it will suck because I am pretty sure I did all the quests and got all the assets and still came up short of points.

[shepardthegreat97]

http://www.shacknews...ased-by-bioware

Hmm..

[Sublyminal]

shepardthegreat97 wrote...

ITS FREAKING MASS EFFECT! Of course people will buy it. "If you build it, they will ******." Oh, wait a minute...

I don't care if it's God Effect the fourth coming of Jesus Christ himself. I would NOT and I repeat NOT buy another ME game, if they don't fix this craptastic ending. It's the passive fans that make this movement hardest, the ones that are like... "Oh, okay, I'm fine with this ending, here BW let me bend over and touch my toes, so you can continue to rape me in my ass even harder" 

Long time fans don't deserve this BS and Shepard damn sure doesn't. If however, they do fix the endings, I can consider giving them one more shot, since I didn't play DA2, so BW is only on it's 1st of two strikes with me.

[tay2208]

Elvwood wrote...

What everyone does not know is that Bioware also merged with Geico
You Give us 15 minutes and we'll lower you expectations.

Seriously even if they come out with a DLC I have to wonder if they will fix the assets problem if you just want to play solo. If a new ending relies on your saved game ending (shepard lives or dies ) then it will suck because I am pretty sure I did all the quests and got all the assets and still came up short of points.

I had glitches regarding the war assets.  Some of them wouldn't even show up for me. 

[Shadow Wolf75]

I'll say this like I've said it in a few other threads; if ending DLC appears that actually fixes the fail, I will buy it. But as for any other DLC or even another game from EA/Bioware? AHAHAHA, you guys burned that bridge.

[Elvwood]

tay2208 wrote...


I had glitches regarding the war assets.  Some of them wouldn't even show up for me. 

I Spent hours going back and forth to the Citidel stopping by every person hoping to pick up
so asset conversations and still didn't add up
I was at about 3582 or something like that.
How many did you get ?

[tay2208]

Elvwood wrote...

tay2208 wrote...


I had glitches regarding the war assets.  Some of them wouldn't even show up for me. 

I Spent hours going back and forth to the Citidel stopping by every person hoping to pick up
so asset conversations and still didn't add up
I was at about 3582 or something like that.
How many did you get ?

A little under 3400.  Some else did tell me that it's impossible to get 4000 without MP, a few disagreed. Never got a definitive answer. Looks like I'm gonna start playing online.

Modifié par tay2208, 14 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Tezzajh]

i got 4500 with 100% galatic readiness

[chancewc64]

shepardthegreat97 wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...

DrowNoble wrote...

shepardthegreat97 wrote...

First off, I would like to establish I have been a ME fan sense it came out. And yes,  I did play (and watch as well) the ending.

 People are petitioning for a DLC that changes the Mass Effect 3 ending. But... not going to happen.

1). Bioware has said multiple times "For all those Mass Effect fans, there will be more." Why change the ending when Bioware can release another game that shows the rebuilding of the Mass Relays (its Bioware, they will find a way) and the fate of the normandy crews. Everyone wins. Bioware makes millions, fans get closure. (mind=blown)

2). All those who create art accept criticism. But Bioware seems to encourage it. They wanted an unforgettable ending. And you know what, the succeeded. This is the most I have ever seen anyone talk about an ending. That being said, was the ending preforable? To me, sort of. It ended Shepards story perfectly. But it never really applied your choices to the ending. Unless you derped through the entire game, everyones ending was pretty much the same. But, with a new game, Bioware can apply choices from all ME games, including if you cured the genophage and if Earth survived. (I am aware the krogans are probably dead, but then again, plummeting to a planet from outer space didnt kill Shepard.)

3). If in some slim situation that Bioware released a DLC, not everyone would buy it (or even download it if it was free.) I would pay like 3 dollars for a new ending, but that is the extent. And if they were to release another game, all the people who got default endings would be like . I would officially be Biowares bi*** if they did.

 I hope my points were valid enough. If not oh well. If I am wrong, I will be happy to eat my own words.

Problem is the way ME3 ended, there can't be an ME4.  No relays, no interstellar travel.  Most races are dead as when the relays go boom the nearby system went boom with it.  If somehow Earth didn't go boom, every race will die out as Earth can't support all those people (turians can't eat human food fyi).

Can't even do a "beat the game continue on" DLC since, as I stated above, no interstellar travel and dozens of systmes destroyed.

There have been numerous posts and articles about why this isn't about being critical of art.  It's about an unsatisfying ending that was filled with plot holes and no closure.  Not to mention the dishonesty from Bioware about how there were 17 different endings, a satisfying conclusion and a culmination of all our decisions.  All lies.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

1. The relays were only "destroyed" in the "red" ending. They were not destroyed in either the green or blue ending.

2. There will be ample opportunity to rebuild the galaxy even in the "red" ending. We have no idea if every system was wiped out, and we certainly have no reason to think that the races couldn't re-invent the necessary technology.

3. Glactic civilization continues. The old man and the kid are proof of that.

 Thank you kind sir.

Actually the Relays are destroyed in all endings.  Here is a video of the synthsis ending.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Blood Wraith5]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

There is a difference between an unforgettable ending and and unforgivable ending.

unforgettable(ME1 and ME2)         unforgiveable(ME3)
there's the difference