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[Lextra]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

It's just some other random person.

yea because there are so many random N7 person's right? oh wait...

[JasonTan87]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

He crashed there.

He survived because Prangley erected a barrier when he was crashing to Earth.

Nice one, Prangley!

It's just some other random person.

And this is why people (like me) who support the indoc. theory - don't take people, who critize people like me for supporting the theory - serious.

They can't come up with a plausible answer.

Because Bioware doesn't have a plausible answer.  That does not make your answer any more valid.

[mastercheif-117]

Nighthunteer wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

He gets to breathe because he fought off the indoctrination. People who chose Control/Synthesis got indoctrinated and believe what they are shown by the Harbinger in the induced dream.

Yeah, that is what i hope it is as well - but what I dont understand is how the people that dont think the indoc theory is true.

I dont even know if i think its true yet....but meh....

I'm all for RIT. Whether or not we believe in it is a matter of optimism vs pessimism I suppose. 

[Nighthunteer]

Nefelius wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

Hey!

So, id like to know - everyone that refuses to belive the indoc theory,
How do you explain Shepard waking up in the concrete rubble?

Imo this is the only sure thing we have, everything else is just grasping at plausable to "prob not" straws. But this, I dont see how else it could be explained. Not even Bioware (Never thought i would say not even infront of BW, geez) would belive that he could make it to earth by falling, after being blown up

Specially after the kid told him he would die anyway!
If they wanted to make it belifeable that he surived the exoplosion, they would have shown him hovering in space, since he already walked in space between the citadel and the crucible - and instead of a breath perhaps a finger twitch.

Lets hear it!

Pretty simple. You can survive a blast but you cant survive disentegration (like in other 2 "choices")

And he's not on Earth.

He is not on earth? Where is he then? There is no concrete on the citadel, and you cant breath in space.
Looking forward to your answer!

There's no ocncrete on the Citadel? Did you see ENTIRE Citadel as SHepard?
You cerainly could breath (and the scientists too) on the derelict Reaper.

The supposed sheilds that held in air for you to breath on surived the explosion of the citadel you mean, also - since the rubble is not hovering around i also assume it created gravity?

[Tomeran]

Maybe its just me, but I dont recall seeing the entire crucible+citadel being ultimatly completly totally pulverized by the resulting explosion. I see several large explosions at the center of the expanded citadel(with its arms open). To me, that doesnt mean that the entire things disintegrates. So to me it seems feasible he/she could survive in rubble still orbiting earth, although this time I dont see shep walking away from the whole ordeal as easily as he did in a very similar situation at the ME1 ending.

What are Bioware's actual intentions with the brief clip of Shep breathing? I dont know, only Bioware can answer that one. My speculation is that they'd offer at least one final alternative that doesnt end up with your beloved hero/heroine ending up totally toast, and you're left to pretty much fill in the blanks anyway you want.

Unless Bioware now (hopefully) intends to release epilogue-like content that can fill in the half a billion gaps in the three ending, and Shep might actually, to a point, be playable.
"But what of the other two choices that clearly kill shep?"
Well, aside from the fact that you never actually see it ultimatly confirmed that Shep -dies-(but again, it is -heavy- speculation on what happens with shep after the synthesis and control options), there is a chance Bioware might do here like they did before, with Dragon age Origins and the expansion. For those that dont know, DA:O had in a sense similar ending results in terms of character death. Your warden could make the ultimate sacrifice and take what appears to be a more "good" option, whereas what might appear as a more "evil" option would mean the warden survived. It can be argued left-right-and-center if the ending options in ME3 are evil, good or neutral, the colours dont neccecerily present paragon-renegade and neutral here and Bioware intentionally threw in some imagiry to show that, but the point is that in DA:O expansion, they gave you the option to either create a new hero or if you survived with your warden, continue with him.

Its likely just wishful thinking from me that they'd pull something like that in coming ME3 dlc/expansion, but I would very much not mind to be granted a few final moments with Shep to close things up properly, to finally get that closure that the trilogy, and Shep, deserves.

[Nefelius]

Nighthunteer wrote...



The supposed sheilds that held in air for you to breath on surived the explosion of the citadel you mean, also - since the rubble is not hovering around i also assume it created gravity?

They did survive on another Starwizard's creation. The derelict Reaper, and there were gravity too.
And we didn't see the Citadel ripped to shreds. Just some explosions there and there.

Modifié par Nefelius, 16 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[savionen]

Seems like if its an Easter Egg, why not have it for all 3 endings?

Even on Destroy the God-Kid says "Yeah, you're probably going to die because of your implants" and the Citadel explodes multiple times in Shepard's face.

[Nighthunteer]

It could see Shepard suriving in the rubble above earth if:

1. Humans could breath in space.
2. The rubble showed signs of having no gravity.
3. There was not what looks like a broken house in the background.

[pharsti]

Nighthunteer wrote...

pharsti wrote...

Humans breathe?

What else do you expect to have explained >_>?

How he got there, how he surived two massive explosions in orbit above earth - only to be breathing back on earth.
1 explosions clearly encases him in fire, the other - as seen from space, covers the entire area he and spacekid was standing on.

Again, its fine if you dont believe it, all im saying is, the way things have already gone, squadmates teleporting into the Normandy, the fact she was revived once already, seriously, why do we even bother talking about death in a universe where with enough money and time you can bring anyone back >_>?

And the starchild which might just have shielded her with space magic\\made her immortal\\possessed her!

Still say the simplest explanation is the correct one, fell, survived, went to have a drink with Wrex.

My point is, what matters is she breathes in the end, youll never know exactly HOW she got there, all you can do is speculate and come up with the best thing you can rationalize.

I for one wont accept the indoc theory (aka lame fanfic asspull as far as im concerned) no matter what, since i consider it about 3 times worse than the ending and its multicolored explosions of doom. XD


None of this was happening if BW had given us anything they said they would thou, instead the ending is based on speculation, imagination, and apparently, lots of space magic.

[nomoredruggs]

Its probably because the ending we got, was the planned ending meant to give closure to the series...
So, why not make people guess what happened all the way through the ending, then make them try to guess what happens to the rest of the galaxy after the ending, and then show shepard as being alive to make people question if and how he/she survived, only to finish with a blatant rip off of a wintersun single all so they could get Buzz Aldrin some lines in..

Why add a game ending when you can make the paying customer to do it for u...

Maybe Shepard isnt just breathing, maybe shepard is inhaling a big deep breath to let out an enormous sigh, because even shepard knows what a mess the ending is.

Yup I think the best way to explain it is "Lots of speculation from everyone!"

Modifié par nomoredruggs, 16 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Reiella]

Lextra wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

It's just some other random person.

yea because there are so many random N7 person's right? oh wait...

Play multiplayer some You'll fnd several random N7s .

[FOX216BC]

Easter egg i guess.
But why do we hear wind in space, no wind in beginning of ME2 during Normandy destruction and shepard's dying.
Just like the ending this easter egg doesn't make any sense.
And people who love the ending because it's artistic......
If i wanted art i would have bought a freaking art book.
I liked ME for it's fantastic story and it should have a great ending(s depending on the choices you made) not some picasso ending.

[savionen]

Reiella wrote...

Lextra wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

It's just some other random person.

yea because there are so many random N7 person's right? oh wait...

Play multiplayer some You'll fnd several random N7s .

Hahaha.

Bioware: Yeah, you remember that one guy you played multiplayer with that one time that had N7 armor? Yeah, he was the one in the rubble.

[Aurvant]

I support the Indoctrination Theory mainly because it attempts to make the bizarre ending sequences after Harbinger's beam seem sensible.

One thing that bugs me is that The Catalyst, if you have enough EMS, asks Shepard to "Wake up" when it first begins to speak.

Also, am I expected to believe that, in a time when EVERYONE has a ****ing spaceship, that nobody saw this big open panel on The Citadel where a starry God-Child was hanging out? Catalyst said that an organic had never been there...HOW? And if Catalyst had always been there then WHAT WAS THE POINT OF SAREN AND SOVERIGN "RETAKING" THE CITADEL!?

Am I to believe that the Catalyst controls the reapers but doesn't control the Citadel in some capacity? Is it not some kind of superior AI or is it a ****ing ghost? If TIM couldn't control the reapers then what makes Shepard so special? Just because it's Shepard?

None of this makes any sense.

Also, if TIM sought to control the reapers then why didn't he, you know, go ahead and attempt it? He could have just gone up there, chatted up the Catalyst, and then activated the console for himself like he wanted. Why wait for Shepard? What was the point? He already had the upper hand, so why squander it?

Again, none of this makes any sense.

[Spaceguy5]

111987 wrote...

To be fair, Shepard's body did survive re-entry in ME2...

There wasn't much left of it.

[pharsti]

nomoredruggs wrote...

Its probably because the ending we got, was the planned ending meant to give closure to the series...
So, why not make people guess what happened all the way through the ending, then make them try to guess what happens to the rest of the galaxy after the ending, and then show shepard as being alive to make people question if and how he/she survived, only to finish with a blatant rip off of a wintersun single all so they could get Buzz Aldrin some lines in..

Why add a game ending when you can make the paying customer to do it for u...

Maybe Shepard isnt just breathing, maybe shepard is inhaling a big deep breath to let out an enormous sigh, because even shepard knows what a mess the ending is.

Yup I think the best way to explain it is "Lots of speculation from everyone!"

Yup, maybe thats what Shepard was going to do, start swearing at the state of the ending they came up with.

[CavScout]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

He crashed there.

He survived because Prangley erected a barrier when he was crashing to Earth.

Nice one, Prangley!

It's just some other random person.

And this is why people (like me) who support the indoc. theory - don't take people, who critize people like me for supporting the theory - serious.

They can't come up with a plausible answer.

I never saw a face. How do you know who it was?

[Nighthunteer]

savionen wrote...

Reiella wrote...

Lextra wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

It's just some other random person.

yea because there are so many random N7 person's right? oh wait...

Play multiplayer some You'll fnd several random N7s .

Hahaha.

Bioware: Yeah, you remember that one guy you played multiplayer with that one time that had N7 armor? Yeah, he was the one in the rubble.

[Mycrus Ironfist]

1.) it was another N7

2.) shepard in rigor mortis

[savionen]

CavScout wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

He crashed there.

He survived because Prangley erected a barrier when he was crashing to Earth.

Nice one, Prangley!

It's just some other random person.

And this is why people (like me) who support the indoc. theory - don't take people, who critize people like me for supporting the theory - serious.

They can't come up with a plausible answer.

I never saw a face. How do you know who it was?

The damage on the armor exactly matches Shepard.

[Trikormadenadon]

Greed1914 wrote...

Still confused why Shepard lives in this option when the Catalyst says that the destroyed technology includes the very implants that brought him back to life. I'm not saying that the other two need to let Shepard live, I'm saying that having that result does not fit with what we were told.

Unless the Indoctrination Theory is correct. Then it makes sense.

[pharsti]

CavScout wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

He crashed there.

He survived because Prangley erected a barrier when he was crashing to Earth.

Nice one, Prangley!

It's just some other random person.

And this is why people (like me) who support the indoc. theory - don't take people, who critize people like me for supporting the theory - serious.

They can't come up with a plausible answer.

I never saw a face. How do you know who it was?

Well, theres always the fact that theres a N7 dogtag, and better yet, the breath is clearly male on a HESHEP and Jennifer Hale on Shepard >_>

Yes, Mr. Meer makes me have an amazing disconnection between what im hearing and what im supposed to be feeling.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

The only way I see it make sense is through the indoctrination theory.. he never went up the beam in the first place.. other than that I don't know... it doesn't make sense that he "fell" from the Citadel, 1 he would of burnt up in the atmosphere and 2 people who say "he fell in ME2" well as previously stated he was "meat and tubes" so yeah no way..

Only way that it makes sense is through indoctrination theory.. people who disagree or don't believe the theory never have real answers for this because well, there isn't one.

[MandatoryDenial1]

 Terrible writing, "hope," back door, or controversy; just pick one at this point It really doesn't matter anymore.  Enjoy the ride to the ending and alt +F4 when you get to the end honestly that is the only way to keep the ending from destroying your five year experience.

[CavScout]

savionen wrote...

The damage on the armor exactly matches Shepard.

LOL, what!?