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[Adamzen]

be buged and glitched as f***. After learning that all those archery talents are worth jack and that daggers are useless unless used in a heavy cun+build i need to find out that stealing successes actually fill my pockets with air... what the f***?
Is "Rogue" the new synonym for "gimped warrior with only 1-2 talent/skill specs worth investing in" in the DOA universe?

[Serenity84]

My dual wielding duelist/assassin is great. She does a third of the party damage. And I don't even have any points in stealth. I'm using a longsword and an axe.



Leliana doesn't do as much damage, but her archery come in handy. No, she won't kill powerful enemies singlehandedly (which is really the only thing people want who complain about archers being useless), but she does help a lot. I also let her do traps.



Get the dexterity hotfix to make daggers behave like they are supposed to and make archers more powerful:

http://dragonage.gul...rity_hotfix_101

[Nassou]

L2P



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[Ryngard]

First off it is spelled ROGUE! Good lord I get tired of seeing "rouges". ARRRG!



I'm playing on the 360 (no patches yet) and my rogues kick butt! I think it is YOU that is doing something wrong.



Take Leliana for instance... I have her archery built maxed out, and I make sure her tactics are set properly. The instant we start combat she can usually one-shot the average enemy. She constantly peppers them with arrows (got to LOVE scattershot) and she even does some crowd control thanks to a talent that lets her knock them prone. She is badass and with her longbow she is far out of any range of the enemies being able to hit her back. So healing is never wasted on her. She does almost 40% of the party damage (if we were all equal we'd each do 25%, so she is above the curve).



Seriously, don't be all ranty and crazy sounding in your posts... makes you seem foolish and ignorant. Instead try to address specific concerns. Post your build (including stats, skills, and talent choices). You'll get more help if you do.

[Elanareon]

L2P the game first. Im sorry but seriously everyone who complains here in the forums about gimped warrior, useless rogues just doesn't know how to play them properly...

[Krucible]

yeah, those rouges should be red in the face over their petty combat skills.





arf.

[Adamzen]

To those blokes who can't read :
my post ain't about dmg it's bout choises. And how does "learning how to play" get rid of the stealing bug?

Modifié par Adamzen, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:32 .

[Godeshus]

Warriors, Mages, and rogues are all useles. You don't need any of them.

[Serenity84]

Actually look through the talents. Rogues have the most choices out of any class. They are really versatile and can go be build in different ways. And all of them work.



It's not true that tons of cunning is the only option. Yes, cunning is used many of the utility talents and as an assassin, but you can also go pure STR/DEX and only take as much cunning as you need to unlock talents (22). Or go DEX/CUN with 20 STR. Or all three equally. They are viable.



What doesn't work is having a maxed out warrior with maximum utility skills and maximum stealth. It's possible if you buy tomes for extra talents. I did that for Leliana actually. But not until the end of the game. And at that point you get little use out of it.



What's true is that lockpicking doesn't yield much useful loot. Stealing though can be a nice source of income.

[MartinJHolm]

Adamzen wrote...

be buged and glitched as f***. After learning that all those archery talents are worth jack and that daggers are useless unless used in a heavy cun+build i need to find out that stealing successes actually fill my pockets with air... what the f***?
Is "Rogue" the new synonym for "gimped warrior with only 1-2 talent/skill specs worth investing in" in the DOA universe?

You really have a way with words, surely with your gift people always listen to you 

[Adamzen]

yeah...of course i can make a heavy STR/DEX dw mastery char who deals decent dmg but for that i could've gone for a warrior (almost no difference)

And the game is easy enough to get trough using a archer or dual daggers wielding char but then again...a warrior would do the trick also (even better).

Add the bug to stealing and the limited use of lockpick and u rly got only the bard/assassin heavy cun+ build which distinguishes the rogue from a plain leather warrior.

[Godeshus]

Ryngard wrote...

First off it is spelled ROGUE! Good lord I get tired of seeing "rouges". ARRRG!

To be fair, when you type fast, it is easy to throw in the "u" before the "g". 

[th3warr1or]

ROGUE... omg.

[Serenity84]

Backstabbing, combat movement (180° flanking angle), coup de grace (automatic backstab against stunned enemies), stealth. All things warriors don't have. The duelist and assassin specializations also go together nicely with that kind of playstyle.



Moreover, rogues get far more skill points. You can max out combat training, coercion and either poison or trap making. You could max out both if you buy skill books.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Rouge is indeed pointless. I find girls to be beautiful enough without it.

[daem3an]

I'm still not sure what the complaint is, exactly. Can you explain the stealing bug and limited use of lockpick?

[Dlai]

I dunno, my girlfriend puts on a nice red rouge that I think is nice. Enhances her already natural beauty. lol.



oh boy....rouge.

[UlteriorModem]

I used to be with the l2p crowd.

I played all the way through with a Rouge Archer build. It was hard, very hard but yes I got all the way through and thought well that was hard but not impossible.

Then I started a second play through with a Dwarven Warrior and oh my gawd it was like taking off the shackles and seeing the light for the first time. The game is much much easier as a warrior.

So I look at it this way, if you want a real challange play a rouge.

[Misspelled on purpose to upset the Ruoge spelling ****s]

Modifié par UlteriorModem, 28 novembre 2009 - 03:56 .

[TileToad]

Rouge is a Rogue after a fierce bloody battle.

I actually think most Warriors are useless. I had a party of three (level 7) Warriors and one Mage once, and I couldn't believe how fast the Warriors fell against simple groups of shambling corpses and war dogs.

Modifié par TileToad, 28 novembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[Ginnerben]

Stealing bug - Let me guess, its saying "Item Received" but you're not getting an item put to the top of the list?



That happens when there is already a stack of that item.



If you're not talking about that, then maybe talking about the bug would help.

[Brother Pain]

Rogue works excellent, both for damage output and skills. I'm having a much harder time keeping my 2h warrior alive to be honest.

[cheeseslayersmu]

I'm doing 67% of my party damage on a rogue...and that's with high damaging characters.



Dual Wield and Momentum + Flaming Weapons and Runes (Why am I capitalizing everything?) are your friends.

[Cadaveth]

Brother Pain wrote...

Rogue works excellent, both for damage output and skills. I'm having a much harder time keeping my 2h warrior alive to be honest.

Same here, I have way tougher time baby sitting my 2h tank than my assassin-duelist rogue. I love him

[Greenaway]

Rogues are definitely the most interesting and fun class to play if developed even marginally correctly. Also, they are the deadliest in the game even in the "glitched and bugged" state. If they feel gimped, you might be doing something wrong there.

My main character rogue (PC, unpatched game, no dexterity fix):

-half of the party damage with dual wielding ("broken") daggers (+ runes and poisons);
-stealth scouting (makes more than 9/10 enemy ambushes fail miserably);
-traps (disarming and setting);
-bombs;
-tons of extra (stealing, breaking in, assassination) quests (and money);
-the only way to pick locks;
-combat stealth (= free criticals);
-great light armors with minus fatigue for endless skill attacks;
-extra ranged mage killing (best longbows hit farther than fireballs - without any points in ranged skills);
-fun and deadly specializations (assassin-duelist or bard-ranger)

Warriors are supremely boring in comparison.

Modifié par Greenaway, 28 novembre 2009 - 04:53 .