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[Seneva]

After a 3rd playthrough I noticed Ametherine in the Aleinage. IIRC she is Iona's daughter. When you try to talk to her she says something about her mother not being back yet.

Can my pc do something for her?

playing a noble now but kinda rushed through the origin story and didnt even spoke to Iona this time (shame on me!)

[Seneva]

no-one knows?

[Jayce]

No, there's no conversation option with her. My male PC actually bedded her mother and I felt horribly guilty I couldn't even tell her what had happened.



It's the most heart-breaking and needless loose end in the game by far and the only one that made me want to hunt down Bioware employees and kick them. Hard.

[Seneva]

damn you bastard developers

[Silensfurtim]

they just made her name yellow so that we could remember her from Iona lol. i wish there was a quest..

[Loc'n'lol]

Oh good catch, I had forgotten about her... Well too bad there is nothing to do with her.

[Seneva]

imo you should get the option of adopt her, ofc only when you play a noble origin.



especially if you bedded Iona!

[Spava]

Yeah because running around with you and killin’ darkspawn is so much fun for a little girl ^.^

[Seneva]

When you see the little girl you're not far off from the end. The PC could send her to Arl Eamon to ensure that she surives and will have a good chance of growing up instead of possibly being sold as a slave.



Then at the end Eamon brings the girl to the coronation scene with everyone present.



If you sacrifice yourself she will be taken care off. If you survive you will or can act as parents.

[Jisai]

I like that idea Seneva.

Bioware! Make it happen!

[Suron]

yah because..if I have a one-nighter with some chick I met within a few hours of meeting...and she later died in a car crash (or in any way) it's my responsibility to adopt her..



the option wouldn't hurt to be there sure..maybe...the little girl wouldn't know you..why would she trust or want to go with you? And why in god's name would you want to take a little girl when you don't know what will happen and if you'll die fighting the Blight..it's not something your PC would be worried about in the midst of things.



after the end, off camera, perhaps.



so just pretend you survived killing the arch-demon and after going outside to the balcony to wave at the people chanting for you..pretend your character returned to the alienage and took the little girl in.



there ya go..you got your wish

[random.name]

Jayce F wrote...

No, there's no conversation option with her. My male PC actually bedded her mother and I felt horribly guilty I couldn't even tell her what had happened. d.

Sicko

[Seneva]

Suron wrote...

yah because..if I have a one-nighter with some chick I met within a few hours of meeting...and she later died in a car crash (or in any way) it's my responsibility to adopt her..

Her mother got cut down because she went down on my PC.  Or her mother got murdered while she was in her bedroom. Mentioning a carcrash in a fantasy game... well... nvm.

the option wouldn't hurt to be there sure..maybe...the little girl wouldn't know you..why would she trust or want to go with you? And why in god's name would you want to take a little girl when you don't know what will happen and if you'll die fighting the Blight..it's not something your PC would be worried about in the midst of things.

My PC went through great lenghts to protect people. Refused to take rewards unless pressed. Hell she even denied the hero of redcliff because she was there for another reason.

so just pretend you survived killing the arch-demon and after going outside to the balcony to wave at the people chanting for you..pretend your character returned to the alienage and took the little girl in.

there ya go..you got your wish

Perhaps *my* PC does care about that little girl. Pretending you go back to the alienage isn't really working.

Modifié par Seneva, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:32 .

[TheGreenLion]

Spava wrote...

Yeah because running around with you and killin’ darkspawn is so much fun for a little girl ^.^

Morrigan thought so when her mummy used her for bait to kill templars....sounds like good fun to me

[Jisai]

There is a certain level of responsibility one must take if they are a direct contributor or accessory contributor to an end result, moreso even in a tragedy.

In the case of Iona and her daughter:
If the PC cared enough to ask more than general questions in the attempt to bed or gain Iona's affections and interest, they would have found out quite a few things and in that shared a beginning bond with Iona. The fact that this woman decided to share her body, and her past with the PC, reflects a level of trust and interest from her.

No, one does not assume that if you bed them that you must take responsibility for their life, but if you took charge of them (they were under your protection in the bedroom) and then suddenly in your charge they were slain, the morality of knowing she told you that her daughters' father is dead and her mother has now died before you would suggest that unless you are of a chaotic evil personality that one would want to help this now orphaned child. Not to mention her benefactor of her heighten station, Lady Landra is now dead too...

Since she is in the alienage, it is assumed that the other Elves there would try to take care of her since they seem to put a great importance on family, but the PC bears the responsibility to tell her daughter or at least her current charges/relatives that this occured. Now, the PC being a human noble would have the resources to do what you could to help under normality if Howe had not killed your parents. Help doesnt necessarily mean monetarily, it could just mean aid or support in other fashions.

But I still think that the PC should have been given the optional side quest to seek out Iona's daughter and choose what they would like to do. It is a tragic 'loose string' that seriously needs to be addressed. IMO I would give the PC the options ability, if there were no others to take the child, to adopt or at least take charge of the child. The PC could send the child to a place of safety (Soldiers Peak when its cleared out) and there while the Blight is being addressed she could be taken care of. If the PC dies at the end the child would be under the protection of the Grey Wardens, still be protected and cared for. I am sure there is much more middle detail that could be added, but that is just a minor start.

This scenario works especially well if the PC is a female and chose Liliana as their love. 

Modifié par Jisai, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:35 .

[Jayce]

Suron wrote...

yah because..if I have a one-nighter with some chick I met within a few hours of meeting...and she later died in a car crash (or in any way) it's my responsibility to adopt her..

Bad comparison. If your date happened to die on that date... I dunno, say she was in your car and you were hit by another and she was killed, you'd kinda want to pass that info on to her family, right? Especially if they don't know she's dead.

Or am I being retarded for not being a callous SOB?

[Seneva]

Jisai,



I wholeheartly agree with everything you wrote. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking loose ends like this should be adressed by Bioware.

[Pyroh502]

Jayce F wrote...

No, there's no conversation option with her. My male PC actually bedded her mother and I felt horribly guilty I couldn't even tell her what had happened.

FemalePC: "Your mom did not only like men.  I was able to pick her up after a few compliments.  She was a dynamo in bed, and probably my best one night stand.  Oh yeah, and she got run though after opening the door wearing only her underwear."
Daughter: ?!?!

[Paranid]

i say feed the brat to morrigan for some magical experimenting

[Suron]

yes perhaps the analogy I chose wasn't the best but the point still stands.



And Iona's daughter has no CLUE her mother is even dead..and some humans..who are generally mistrusted and often hated by elves..comes along..tells the girl her mom is dead..and wants her to go with them?



yeeeeeaaaaah ok....



Realistic Scenerio; you tell the little girl..she runs off screaming/crying...you cause a stir and are driven out of the alienage or attacked....best case..the elves say they will keep their own.



you are serious delusioned if, in the context of the story/world/lore, you think the girl or the elves in general will be all willy-nilly to have you take her off...the little girl doesn't know you..and like I said she doesn't even KNOW her mom is DEAD...



So as I said...pretend you went to the alienage after the game ends and you got your happy-go-lucky unrealistic scenerio to play out.



Like I said..further interaction involving this would be great...but I don't think it would, or should, play out the way you think it would



besides..it's aweful careless of a Warden who doesn't even know if they're going to survive the Blight take in some chicks daughter that you had a one night fling...hell the only place you could send her is to Eamon's...as you have no home of your own (another thing..yah real good..take the girl on the road to die in camp during a darkspawn ambush)..and who's to say he'd agree? why should he? he'd probably say the girl needs to stay with her people...at best give a little cash to help her...because it's not like someone wouldn't take advantage of the girl and STEAL the gold or anything.



it's an unrealistic scenerio...so..yah...return to the Alienage off-screen after the ending..and live out your scenerio then.



don't want to? oh well.

[Jisai]

Suron wrote...

yes perhaps the analogy I chose wasn't the best but the point still stands.

And Iona's daughter has no CLUE her mother is even dead..and some humans..who are generally mistrusted and often hated by elves..comes along..tells the girl her mom is dead..and wants her to go with them?

yeeeeeaaaaah ok....

It has potential that the PC whom is of good standing could easily come into the alienage and speak to the childs' charges/relatives/caretakers about this tragedy. The fact that Iona's family worked directly for Lady Landra and her family for generations build merit on the fact that now Lady Landra is dead, the Cousland castle is being occupied by foreign forces and the PC fled the castle to not only find your brother but to speak of the tragedies that occured. You forget that the PC is a Noble, a station next to royalty and in this certain airs of responsibility are understood.

Realistic Scenerio; you tell the little girl..she runs off screaming/crying...you cause a stir and are driven out of the alienage or attacked....best case..the elves say they will keep their own.

you are serious delusioned if, in the context of the story/world/lore, you think the girl or the elves in general will be all willy-nilly to have you take her off...the little girl doesn't know you..and like I said she doesn't even KNOW her mom is DEAD...

So as I said...pretend you went to the alienage after the game ends and you got your happy-go-lucky unrealistic scenerio to play out.

Apparently you didnt put alot of thinking into your statements otherwise you would know what I spoke upon would be true. The childs caretakers WORK for Lady Landra, word of her demise would be almost as instantaneous as your showing up and a family friend AND Noble, speaking upon this.

Like I said..further interaction involving this would be great...but I don't think it would, or should, play out the way you think it would

besides..it's aweful careless of a Warden who doesn't even know if they're going to survive the Blight take in some chicks daughter that you had a one night fling...hell the only place you could send her is to Eamon's...as you have no home of your own (another thing..yah real good..take the girl on the road to die in camp during a darkspawn ambush)..and who's to say he'd agree? why should he? he'd probably say the girl needs to stay with her people...at best give a little cash to help her...because it's not like someone wouldn't take advantage of the girl and STEAL the gold or anything.

it's an unrealistic scenerio...so..yah...return to the Alienage off-screen after the ending..and live out your scenerio then.

don't want to? oh well.

No, one could have the child stay in the protection of the late Lady Landra's house, I am sure her husband still lives and as they worked directly for that family for generations, I see little reason for them to expulse the child just because her mother was slain. If the PC wanted to take charge of the child, no it would have to obviously be  through a good rep with the Elves, perhaps after one gained the respect of the Dalish but again that 'middle info' I spoke that could be imputted as well.

Modifié par Jisai, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:48 .

[kuroshimodo]

Anzurok wrote...

Iona shouldn't have opened that door.

Indeed.

[Azazel005]

Yes, I would have liked to tackle the poor, sweet Iona out of the way of that arrow, alas I couldn't. My character despite being somehwat a womaniser would CERTAINLY WITHOUT A DOUBT taken measures to insure that Iona's daughter (Amethyne?) was taken care of. Iona, was a ward in my castle in the service of my guest, and also spent time with me intimately the fact that I cannot see to it that this child is taken care of to the best of my resources wounds me.

[Crunchyinmilk]

There's no reason you can't approach the alienage elder and offer assistance unbeknownst to the child. After establishing your character has a care, an epilogue can just mention her joining your household and receiving preferential treatment. Maybe she gets the honor of washing Anora's unmentionables. Its always nice to help the little people.