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[Luiginius]

Wishpig wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Even if you disagree with the why, over a thousand fans have been able to come together to fund over $40,000 for a charity organization.

Negatively(your opinions may vary)

Word of mouth carries people's opinions much more to other people faster than anything. Instead of just relying on reviews, people will hear about a lot of people saying something is crap before they may end up buying it. This is the case for movies as well. I also personally believe this is why DA2 ended up dropping so quickly in sales after initial release.

HAHAHA! This must make the writer behind the ending either REALLY happy or REALLY depressed. His horrible failure helped raise 40,000 for chariety... so maybe it's both.

This kinda makes me allright with ME3's ending. It may have sucked, but it sucked SO bad it did something more important than any ending to a videogame. Next paycheck I get is going towards this.

Don't hate, donate. hah. Gave me some closure at least.

[jimbo32]

Stanley Woo wrote...

jimbo32 wrote...

I find it extremely hard to believe that someone at BioWare - whether a writer, producer or QA - , at some point, didn't say "No offense guys, but this ending is completely lame and makes very little sense.".

You can believe what you will. It is, in fact, extremely easy to believe something about a process that can't be explained or justified to you. Especially when the company employing that process is already a target of criticism.

I am really not at liberty to talk about the specifics of what "someone at BioWare" did or didn't do "at some point" during development.

You read my comment out of context, I think. I was responding to your "crystal ball" post. Here's the full text:

jimbo32 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

Stan the man, you're in QA are you not?

Yes, I am in QA and have been for 11 years.

You
didn't forsee what the endings would do to the fanbase?  I can
understand a controversial ending, but not one that is blatantly so full
of holes.  I won't list them, they are there to read.

You didn't foresee it, either. But Stan, i hear you say, i'm not a psychic. I can't predict the future! And that's when I coyly wink at you and walk off into the sunset.

Seriously,
though, if you think there is some magic formula that allows prodcut
creators to see the future and gauge consumer response, then I'd like to
get my hands on it because that's a billion dollar bit of wizardry
right there!

No one can predict the future.

The
difference between us and the team at BioWare is that we weren't privvy
to how the ending plays out until we actually experienced it, wheras
I assume most BioWare employees at least had a general idea of the
details before the game launched. So the crystal ball analogy doesn't
really apply.

I find it extremely hard to believe that someone at
BioWare - whether a writer, producer or QA - , at some point, didn't
say "No offense guys, but this ending is completely lame and makes very
little sense.".

[jerrinehart]

Stanley Woo wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

Stan the man, you're in QA are you not?

Yes, I am in QA and have been for 11 years.

You didn't forsee what the endings would do to the fanbase?  I can understand a controversial ending, but not one that is blatantly so full of holes.  I won't list them, they are there to read.

You didn't foresee it, either. But Stan, i hear you say, i'm not a psychic. I can't predict the future! And that's when I coyly wink at you and walk off into the sunset.

Seriously, though, if you think there is some magic formula that allows prodcut creators to see the future and gauge consumer response, then I'd like to get my hands on it because that's a billion dollar bit of wizardry right there!

No one can predict the future.

You don't need a magic formula to know that the people who love this series wanted what we have been getting from the last two games. Storylines that are explained, make sense, with purpose, and real choice, you guys did a freaking INCREDIBLE job at it until the last 10 minutes of the last game. Seriously, what the hell happened???

[Saint Op]

I think part of what is not understood is the 40K is a selective survey...
Its like if you went into 1K Taco Bells and did a survey asking people if they like to eat at Taco Bell...
All these polls where in topics relating to not likeing the end..
Thats what Woo is probably talking about.

[devSin]

jijeebo wrote...

You just need to look at the @masseffect twitter, every second tweet is them asking someone either "What didn't you like about the endings?" "Why didn't tou enjoy the endings?" or "Was there anything about the game you did enjoy?"

I can't decide if Jessica has magic fingers or if she's really a robot.

Probably she is robot fingers.

[Darth Malignus]

durasteel wrote...

dragonage200200 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

 WHO"S SIKED FOR DA3?

I lol'ed. And its because I am one of the few people on this board who are.

Interesting point. I think it is safe to say that the overwhelming majority of us will play DA3, but that's not the most interesting question. I'm curious to see how many buy upcoming BioWare titles as pre-orders, as opposed to waiting for the $29.99 complete edition with all the DLC 9 months or a year later.

I have to admit that I have been buying BioWare products without hesitation or reservation, pre-ordering collector's editions of everything with an absolute conviction that it is money well spent. Without exaggeration or hyperbole, the end of ME3 has made me consider whether that will necessarily be true going forward. As amazing as the game is otherwise, the end does make me question their commitment to quality and the integrity of their narratives across a game series.

Bingo! I almost feel like a girlfriend cheated on me. It'll be a long time before I can trust her to go alone to a party.

[hurricaneez2]

Wow....I hope Dragoonlordz doesn't work at any company I associate with. A company shouldn't listen to its customers? Great business model there.

[TomY90]

I think they are listening very carefully, but unfortunately for us they are using a marketing technique is any publicity is good publicity.

i.e. keep us going on about the endings, including creating sites to demand they fix it you name.

then they announce this free DLC which makes them look good for acknowledging there mistakes, for being free and keeps everyone interested in the game till then.

[Dragoonlordz]

Wishpig wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Even if you disagree with the why, over a thousand fans have been able to come together to fund over $40,000 for a charity organization.

Negatively(your opinions may vary)

Word of mouth carries people's opinions much more to other people faster than anything. Instead of just relying on reviews, people will hear about a lot of people saying something is crap before they may end up buying it. This is the case for movies as well. I also personally believe this is why DA2 ended up dropping so quickly in sales after initial release.

HAHAHA! This must make the writer behind the ending either REALLY happy or REALLY depressed. His horrible failure helped raise 40,000 for chariety... so maybe it's both.

This kinda makes me allright with ME3's ending. It may have sucked, but it sucked SO bad it did something more important than any ending to a videogame. Next paycheck I get is going towards this.

I like this way of thinking, I actually loved the endings but if was not for others dislike of the ending the charity would of got nothing. Still the fact people throw money with conditions or demands alongside makes the demands unable to be fulfilled because it means that anyone can buy Bioware out as for as creativity, the more money someone gives them the more they get their way, happens in politics and now they wish to make it happen with developers. They should of donated regardless without demands, linking money to a demand is detrimental to their goals.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Darth Malignus wrote...

durasteel wrote...

dragonage200200 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

 WHO"S SIKED FOR DA3?

I lol'ed. And its because I am one of the few people on this board who are.

Interesting point. I think it is safe to say that the overwhelming majority of us will play DA3, but that's not the most interesting question. I'm curious to see how many buy upcoming BioWare titles as pre-orders, as opposed to waiting for the $29.99 complete edition with all the DLC 9 months or a year later.

I have to admit that I have been buying BioWare products without hesitation or reservation, pre-ordering collector's editions of everything with an absolute conviction that it is money well spent. Without exaggeration or hyperbole, the end of ME3 has made me consider whether that will necessarily be true going forward. As amazing as the game is otherwise, the end does make me question their commitment to quality and the integrity of their narratives across a game series.

Bingo! I almost feel like a girlfriend cheated on me. It'll be a long time before I can trust her to go alone to a party.

DA2 was that girlfriend for me.

I dumped her.

[John Epler]

cinderburster wrote...

devSin wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Just stop being cryptic with crap like "We're looking at the feedback and appreciate the points made, doesn't mean we're going to do anything though... But never say never, but never say definately... But if you knew what we were planning you'd definately keep your copies forever, but that doesn't mean we're fixing the reason people would give their copies away... But it also doesn't mean we aren't."

Stanley has been copy/pasting the same thing for years now. Nearly all of them have.

These responses could be lifted verbatim from the DA2 forums last year, and they'll reappear on the DA3 forums next year.

Stanley is not going to tell you anything. He's not going to make you think he even has anything to tell you. He can't.

This is true.  One, you're asking these questions in a No Spoilers section of the forum (which I imagine devs have to adhere to, too) and two, if there are plans the people within BioWare are obligated not to reveal them until they are about to/have come to fruition.  Otherwise people hear about something that's just on the table and hasn't even been rendered yet, latch on to it, and get upset when it gets scrapped.

There's a legal concern here, too, in that employees of publicly traded companies have to be very careful what they say in public. Given that the rules are, to a degree, somewhat convoluted - it's often best to err on the side of caution. And, yes, it's very true that we try and avoid talking about anything until we're certain it's coming out, as things change all the time in game development.

And lest anyone take this as any kind of indication about anything, I'm not involved with the Mass Effect franchise. Because I just know that, at some point, someone will take what I said as confirming something or another.

[Darth Malignus]

Luiginius wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Even if you disagree with the why, over a thousand fans have been able to come together to fund over $40,000 for a charity organization.

Negatively(your opinions may vary)

Word of mouth carries people's opinions much more to other people faster than anything. Instead of just relying on reviews, people will hear about a lot of people saying something is crap before they may end up buying it. This is the case for movies as well. I also personally believe this is why DA2 ended up dropping so quickly in sales after initial release.

HAHAHA! This must make the writer behind the ending either REALLY happy or REALLY depressed. His horrible failure helped raise 40,000 for chariety... so maybe it's both.

This kinda makes me allright with ME3's ending. It may have sucked, but it sucked SO bad it did something more important than any ending to a videogame. Next paycheck I get is going towards this.

Don't hate, donate. hah. Gave me some closure at least.

Ahh, so it was really a ploy on BioWare's behalf to get us to donate more money to charity? I see what you did there, BioWare.

[SuddenlyPhoenix]

Stanley Woo wrote...

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending.

In the middle of writing an article,
Trying to find a way to talk about the game without talking about how 60%+ is so damn depressing
nor does it have the same replayability like its predecessors

Game is only awsome when people want to keep playing it after they finish it
Mass Effect 3, one play though and its no point in playing again <_<

[HiroVoid]

Wishpig wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Even if you disagree with the why, over a thousand fans have been able to come together to fund over $40,000 for a charity organization.

Negatively(your opinions may vary)

Word of mouth carries people's opinions much more to other people faster than anything. Instead of just relying on reviews, people will hear about a lot of people saying something is crap before they may end up buying it. This is the case for movies as well. I also personally believe this is why DA2 ended up dropping so quickly in sales after initial release.

HAHAHA! This must make the writer behind the ending either REALLY happy or REALLY depressed. His horrible failure helped raise 40,000 for chariety... so maybe it's both.

This kinda makes me allright with ME3's ending. It may have sucked, but it sucked SO bad it did something more important than any ending to a videogame. Next paycheck I get is going towards this.

Truthfully, it reminds me of the old saying 'If I had a dollar for every complaint I heard."   Imagine if they did this type of thing for every time people had a complaint against a company.  Anyway, I do hope that the community takes the suggestions of making this an annual thing(not taking back the endings, but the charity) seriously.

[kbct]

darkshadow136 wrote...

devSin wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Just stop being cryptic with crap like "We're looking at the feedback and appreciate the points made, doesn't mean we're going to do anything though... But never say never, but never say definately... But if you knew what we were planning you'd definately keep your copies forever, but that doesn't mean we're fixing the reason people would give their copies away... But it also doesn't mean we aren't."

Stanley has been copy/pasting the same thing for years now. Nearly all of them have.

These responses could be lifted verbatim from the DA2 forums last year, and they'll reappear on the DA3 forums next year.

Stanley is not going to tell you anything. He's not going to make you think he even has anything to tell you. He can't.

Yep I agree, I do remember almost eact comments from the DA2 thing a year ago, just a few words chaged here and there. 

Seriously? That sucks. Well, the first few posts were generic but some of them were specific to one poster.

[Dragoonlordz]

hurricaneez2 wrote...

Wow....I hope Dragoonlordz doesn't work at any company I associate with. A company shouldn't listen to its customers? Great business model there.

Do not put words in my mouth as your clearly do not understand what it is I said.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Parmida]

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

We have a lot of people giving us feedback, and due to the diverse nature of our fanbase and community, there are a lot of different opinions and suggestions floating around, and some of it will be contradictory. I encourage all those giving us feedback to consider that the game has only been out a short time and that it does take time to consider all the feedback coming at us. Thank you all for your enthusiasm and support (and criticism).

See ? was it really that hard ? just reading your post gave me a bit of hope.

[durasteel]

TomY90 wrote...

I think they are listening very carefully, but unfortunately for us they are using a marketing technique is any publicity is good publicity.

i.e. keep us going on about the endings, including creating sites to demand they fix it you name.

then they announce this free DLC which makes them look good for acknowledging there mistakes, for being free and keeps everyone interested in the game till then.

I would welcome it with an open wallet.

[jijeebo]

slyguy200 wrote...

devSin wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Just stop being cryptic with crap like "We're looking at the feedback and appreciate the points made, doesn't mean we're going to do anything though... But never say never, but never say definately... But if you knew what we were planning you'd definately keep your copies forever, but that doesn't mean we're fixing the reason people would give their copies away... But it also doesn't mean we aren't."

Stanley has been copy/pasting the same thing for years now. Nearly all of them have.

These responses could be lifted verbatim from the DA2 forums last year, and they'll reappear on the DA3 forums next year.

Stanley is not going to tell you anything. He's not going to make you think he even has anything to tell you. He can't.

that is what pax will be like

There's a gameshow in Britain called QI, where if a contestant gives the obvious, cliche'd answer, a buzzer sounds and the answer they said flashes on the wall...

The fans should write all the recycled phrases they use on signs, then whoop and stick the sign in the air if they use them during pax.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

JohnEpler wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

devSin wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Just stop being cryptic with crap like "We're looking at the feedback and appreciate the points made, doesn't mean we're going to do anything though... But never say never, but never say definately... But if you knew what we were planning you'd definately keep your copies forever, but that doesn't mean we're fixing the reason people would give their copies away... But it also doesn't mean we aren't."

Stanley has been copy/pasting the same thing for years now. Nearly all of them have.

These responses could be lifted verbatim from the DA2 forums last year, and they'll reappear on the DA3 forums next year.

Stanley is not going to tell you anything. He's not going to make you think he even has anything to tell you. He can't.

This is true.  One, you're asking these questions in a No Spoilers section of the forum (which I imagine devs have to adhere to, too) and two, if there are plans the people within BioWare are obligated not to reveal them until they are about to/have come to fruition.  Otherwise people hear about something that's just on the table and hasn't even been rendered yet, latch on to it, and get upset when it gets scrapped.

And lest anyone take this as any kind of indication about anything, I'm not involved with the Mass Effect franchise. Because I just know that, at some point, someone will take what I said as confirming something or another.

Lies! Burn the witch!

[devSin]

JohnEpler wrote...

There's a legal concern here, too, in that employees of publicly traded companies have to be very careful what they say in public. Given that the rules are, to a degree, somewhat convoluted - it's often best to err on the side of caution. And, yes, it's very true that we try and avoid talking about anything until we're certain it's coming out, as things change all the time in game development.

David can't post anymore, because people can't take a joke and have fun, can he?

I still remember the time Fernando Melo said he was working on getting out high-resolution textures for Item Pack #1. LIAR! Fernando Malo!

Modifié par devSin, 15 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[darkshadow136]

Darth Malignus wrote...

And now almost 47.000 people have voted on the poll, which by now could be called the semi-official poll on the forum.

I'm still curious, Mr. Woo. How many people need to vote, before the sample size is accurate in your mind? Still holding off, until ALL who bought it give a vote?

I don't think any of them will admit anything anytime soon, maybe not even if a good portion of their customer base takes their business elsewhere. At this point the situation make me feel there is to much of a disconnect between the developer and the consumer that purchases their products. If they were really listening , they would quit talking like polititions, and really comunicate and reach out to their customers, instead of coming across patronizing and non-commited and lets be honest dismissive of their customers complaints and feedback.

Modifié par darkshadow136, 15 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[Gwtheyrn]

Tazzmission wrote...

i like the ending choices mainly because its something new and yes it gives you a choice with all 3

lets be honest here the reason why people are so up in arms is because they didnt get a full on explination of the noramdy crew

if they included that explination how much you want to bet that there would be another bogus excuse to protest against something else?

No, it isn't new at all. This same ending was done in a game called Deus-Ex back over a decade ago. In fact, this is eerily similar with the ability to make decisions which have affects on the gameplay up until the end... where you have a choice between Controlling the system, destroying the system, or merging with the system.