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JohnEpler wrote...
I think Dave just doesn't post because, really, there's not much he can say at the moment. I mean, most of what he can talk about is just rehashing the same questions and thoughts. I stick around because I am an enormous fan of discussing the theory of game mechanics and the reasoning behind particular design choices.
But! I'm bringing this off topic.
Stanley Woo wrote...
I am impressed by the number of people who have responded to the poll, but it's still self-selecting and posted on a site where the developers are known to listen and respond to feedback. It's not going to be "accurate," but that doesn't mean it's not note-worthy.Darth Malignus wrote...
And now almost 47.000 people have voted on the poll, which by now could be called the semi-official poll on the forum.
I'm still curious, Mr. Woo. How many people need to vote, before the sample size is accurate in your mind? Still holding off, until ALL who bought it give a vote?
I don't nee to know what, so much as whether or not we even will get an explanation someday (preferable sooner than later).Maria Caliban wrote...
Pretty sure that neither Stanley nor John could speak to what the producers of ME plan to do.N7Infernox wrote...
Will the producers for the game (or anyone who worked on ME3) at least inform fans at some point on how/why the current ending was decided upon?
Like John said, they're hamstrung by rules and regulations that come with being a large corporation. Rules and regulations designed to maximize profit and minimize risk.darkshadow136 wrote...
At this point the situation make me feel there is to much of a disconnect between the developer and the consumer that purchases their products. If they were really listening , they would quit talking like polititions, and really comunicate and reach out to their customers, instead of coming across patronizing and non-commited and lets be honest dismissive of their customers complaints and feedback.
Stanley Woo wrote...
People seem to have the same kinds of questions, the same kinds of conspiracy theories, and misrepresent the same things from project to project. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, after all.devSin wrote...
Stanley has been copy/pasting the same thing for years now. Nearly all of them have.
These responses could be lifted verbatim from the DA2 forums last year, and they'll reappear on the DA3 forums next year.
Stanley is not going to tell you anything. He's not going to make you think he even has anything to tell you. He can't.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Oh, I wouldn't want that... but a "swear jar" for the forum might be nice.HiroVoid wrote...
Truthfully, it reminds me of the old saying 'If I had a dollar for every complaint I heard."Imagine if they did this type of thing for every time people had a complaint against a company.
I mostly jest. His burnout was a long time coming, even before the switch to BSN.JohnEpler wrote...
I think Dave just doesn't post because, really, there's not much he can say at the moment. I mean, most of what he can talk about is just rehashing the same questions and thoughts. I stick around because I am an enormous fan of discussing the theory of game mechanics and the reasoning behind particular design choices.
John Epler is a cinematic designer for Dragon Age. He works on that franchise exclusively.darkness reborn wrote...
I have a question for you:
Why did you lie about the leaks being out of date when they were not?
The idea that knowing the percentage of people who finished the first act of a game is 'statistically useless' isn't one I agree with.Gatt9 wrote...
With all respect Mr. Woo...
Bioware datamines achievements that aren't descriptive variables, such as the percentage of people who completed the first act of DAO, which doesn't give you any idea why they didn't finish, which makes them completely useless. I don't understand why Bioware would datamine variables that are statistically useless, but then state this poll is statistically useless?
It doesn't really matter if it's self-selecting or not, a large number of people feel strongly enough to vote. I'd say that makes it far more valueable than datamining variables that don't give you any descriptive information.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Oh, I wouldn't want that... but a "swear jar" for the forum might be nice.HiroVoid wrote...
Truthfully, it reminds me of the old saying 'If I had a dollar for every complaint I heard."
Syrellaris wrote...
aksoileau wrote...
Gwtheyrn wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
i like the ending choices mainly because its something new and yes it gives you a choice with all 3
lets be honest here the reason why people are so up in arms is because they didnt get a full on explination of the noramdy crew
if they included that explination how much you want to bet that there would be another bogus excuse to protest against something else?
No, it isn't new at all. This same ending was done in a game called Deus-Ex back over a decade ago. In fact, this is eerily similar with the ability to make decisions which have affects on the gameplay up until the end... where you have a choice between Controlling the system, destroying the system, or merging with the system.
Correct, the ending is nothing new. In fact it just seems alien to the franchise. The Normandy crew is just one of many problems with the endings. There also the issue of why the Normandy is fleeing a battle scene in the first place? Or how certain people even got on the Normandy, or where Sword fleet is. Theres a dozen more, but I don't want to spoil the entire game right here.
I would like to know your reasoning behind the problems you associate with the normandy crew?
somecthemes wrote...
Well, wow! Just finished the game, was flabbergasted and thought to rush here and stand in a small corner being annoying while everyone else just jumped in and loved the game totally and thought I was too picky. It's kinda nice, in a way, to see similar sentiments; and though I also love all the online support to change the ending, the best that could be realisticly hoped for would be a subsequent comic or novel released in a year to try and salvage the series.
It's not that I wouldn't LOVE a chance to play the game with renewed aspirations to play thirteen playthroughs just to see every little bit of their fine game, the development process would seem to counter such aspirations. It took so bloody long to finally get here, had repeated accidental releases that back in November were already getting fan laments, and was release essentially as originally shown, despite naysayers reporting that it was essentially just a initial draft. If the developers had begun immediately, even then, I imagine a revised ending DLC would still be a months off, so why would they rush into the fight now? No, any revision to the ending will have to come in much easier to market, then release. comic or novella.
Sorry to burst bubbles or kill any hopes, but if you were building a house and once finished, were told to take off the roofing shingles because of leaks and thought you could just get by with a 5 minute paint job, wouldn't you. Well..maybe not you personally, but if you were a corporate entity which had shareholders and investors more than willing to ignore a little bad press, you might concider the option.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Oh, I wouldn't want that... but a "swear jar" for the forum might be nice.HiroVoid wrote...
Truthfully, it reminds me of the old saying 'If I had a dollar for every complaint I heard."
Stanley Woo wrote...
People seem to have the same kinds of questions, the same kinds of conspiracy theories, and misrepresent the same things from project to project. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, after all.devSin wrote...
Stanley has been copy/pasting the same thing for years now. Nearly all of them have.
These responses could be lifted verbatim from the DA2 forums last year, and they'll reappear on the DA3 forums next year.
Stanley is not going to tell you anything. He's not going to make you think he even has anything to tell you. He can't.
Modifié par Siegdrifa, 15 mars 2012 - 02:20 .
LegendaryBlade wrote...
darkshadow136 wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
I am impressed by the number of people who have responded to the poll, but it's still self-selecting and posted on a site where the developers are known to listen and respond to feedback. It's not going to be "accurate," but that doesn't mean it's not note-worthy.Darth Malignus wrote...
And now almost 47.000 people have voted on the poll, which by now could be called the semi-official poll on the forum.
I'm still curious, Mr. Woo. How many people need to vote, before the sample size is accurate in your mind? Still holding off, until ALL who bought it give a vote?
I'm glad you guys are at least taking it seriously.
I think it's a little more than noteworthy that the game has hardly been out over a week and already 47k people have given their thoughts on the ending. More telling that the Facebook page to completely change the ending has over 30k likes.
jerrinehart wrote...
Syrellaris wrote...
aksoileau wrote...
Gwtheyrn wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
i like the ending choices mainly because its something new and yes it gives you a choice with all 3
lets be honest here the reason why people are so up in arms is because they didnt get a full on explination of the noramdy crew
if they included that explination how much you want to bet that there would be another bogus excuse to protest against something else?
No, it isn't new at all. This same ending was done in a game called Deus-Ex back over a decade ago. In fact, this is eerily similar with the ability to make decisions which have affects on the gameplay up until the end... where you have a choice between Controlling the system, destroying the system, or merging with the system.
Correct, the ending is nothing new. In fact it just seems alien to the franchise. The Normandy crew is just one of many problems with the endings. There also the issue of why the Normandy is fleeing a battle scene in the first place? Or how certain people even got on the Normandy, or where Sword fleet is. Theres a dozen more, but I don't want to spoil the entire game right here.
I would like to know your reasoning behind the problems you associate with the normandy crew?
Seriously?
Here read this.
www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/6/
JohnEpler already talked about this. There are a ton of regulations and other stuff which keeps employees from having to answer certain questions. The first we'll hear of any type of big response will come in an official announcement or interview from the higher-ups. Not Stanley Woo or any of them answering them.PiEman wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
Oh, I wouldn't want that... but a "swear jar" for the forum might be nice.HiroVoid wrote...
Truthfully, it reminds me of the old saying 'If I had a dollar for every complaint I heard."
I'd rather have a dollar for every time one of the mods skated a question, or ignored any responses that weren't particularly easy to answer in this thread...
Modifié par HiroVoid, 15 mars 2012 - 02:21 .
devSin wrote...Like John said, they're hamstrung by rules and regulations that come with being a large corporation. Rules and regulations designed to maximize profit and minimize risk.
And now BioWare is a big corporation (the fact that EA is in charge is really incidental). They have to play by the adult rules, even when they just want to make fun games and have everyone like them.
Im interested/looking forward to seeing what the offical response will be. I hope it comes soon.Any idea WHEN we might hear an official response? Days? Weeks? Months?
Stanley Woo wrote...
Yes, I am in QA and have been for 11 years.aksoileau wrote...
Stan the man, you're in QA are you not?You didn't foresee it, either. But Stan, i hear you say, i'm not a psychic. I can't predict the future! And that's when I coyly wink at you and walk off into the sunset.You didn't forsee what the endings would do to the fanbase? I can understand a controversial ending, but not one that is blatantly so full of holes. I won't list them, they are there to read.
Seriously, though, if you think there is some magic formula that allows prodcut creators to see the future and gauge consumer response, then I'd like to get my hands on it because that's a billion dollar bit of wizardry right there!
No one can predict the future.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
LegendaryBlade wrote...
darkshadow136 wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
I am impressed by the number of people who have responded to the poll, but it's still self-selecting and posted on a site where the developers are known to listen and respond to feedback. It's not going to be "accurate," but that doesn't mean it's not note-worthy.Darth Malignus wrote...
And now almost 47.000 people have voted on the poll, which by now could be called the semi-official poll on the forum.
I'm still curious, Mr. Woo. How many people need to vote, before the sample size is accurate in your mind? Still holding off, until ALL who bought it give a vote?
I'm glad you guys are at least taking it seriously.
I think it's a little more than noteworthy that the game has hardly been out over a week and already 47k people have given their thoughts on the ending. More telling that the Facebook page to completely change the ending has over 30k likes.
High emotion and lack of reason and perspective is always highest just after release, thats is why these forums become a hostile place every single time a title comes out and people warn others to avoid the forums during first few weeks until those angry about any change whatever it is cool their heads and gain some perspective. With every new title the hostility becomes more regardless of what title because people seem to think it is more okay to be more agressive with threats and such shown over past few months where it reached unacceptable levels (twitter incident). Every title it has got worse and it is the fans who got worse in how they treat the developers and their work rather than how the developer treats the fans being much different.
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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 02:32 .
Dragoonlordz wrote...
LegendaryBlade wrote...
darkshadow136 wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
I am impressed by the number of people who have responded to the poll, but it's still self-selecting and posted on a site where the developers are known to listen and respond to feedback. It's not going to be "accurate," but that doesn't mean it's not note-worthy.Darth Malignus wrote...
And now almost 47.000 people have voted on the poll, which by now could be called the semi-official poll on the forum.
I'm still curious, Mr. Woo. How many people need to vote, before the sample size is accurate in your mind? Still holding off, until ALL who bought it give a vote?
I'm glad you guys are at least taking it seriously.
I think it's a little more than noteworthy that the game has hardly been out over a week and already 47k people have given their thoughts on the ending. More telling that the Facebook page to completely change the ending has over 30k likes.
High emotion and lack of reason and perspective is always highest just after release, thats is why these forums become a hostile place every single time a title comes out and people warn others to avoid the forums during first few weeks until those angry about any change whatever it is cool their heads and gain some perspective. With every new title the hostility becomes more regardless of what title because people seem to think it is more okay to be more agressive with threats and such shown over past few months where it reached unacceptable levels (twitter incident). Every title it has got worse and it is the fans who got worse in how they treat the developers and their work rather than how the developer treats the fans being much different.
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