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[Teddie Sage]

Darth Malignus wrote...

GREAT! I have a bug to report about the ending, Mr. Woo.

I doesn't work like that. You probably meant this as a joke, which I don't find funny at all, but I don't recall QA being priviledge to meddle with the main plot of the games. They are not part of the writing team, unless some of the writers also act as part-time QA. QA is serious business. It requires lots and lots of hours per day to find the glitches, reproduce them, write them down on paper or notepads, send the save datas to the game developpers and restart again from step one for many companies. So yeah, before criticizing a QA next time, think about what they're going through for us.

[Hunter of Legends]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

The thing I simply don't like, is how some questions are easily dodged by the game producers or paraphrased and changed to their own advantage. This is a part of general marketing I never liked. Not saying they should do this or should do that, but it frustrates me personally to no end. Clearly, BSN has a hardcore fanbase for every games made by the separate teams of this company... It would be fun sometimes to feel the trust and love from the developers instead of being treated like strangers. Oh, but don't mind me... I'm just being paranoid, like usual.

The community treats us like trusted buddies when things are rosy and there are no problems. When issues come up, they want OFFICIAL DEFINITE CORPORATE ANSWERS. Not that there's anything wrong with that, because we act the same way. When it's just us chatting about this or that, you'll find people like me or John or Priestly to be fun and informative. When issues come up, as devSin implied, the same kinds of official responses are presented.

As long as you are aware of why this happens, and can accept some measure of disappointment when soliciting us for OFFICIAL ANSWERS, everything should be fine.

Will the fact that many fans are extremely dissatisfied be addressed?

I would be greatly saddened if Bioware just put their fingers in their ears and pretended like nothing is wrong.

[philippe willaume]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh man, that is typical Woo and Priestly style moderating right there. lol

How about a real answer now?

You haven't been listening to us at all, have you?

welcome to the club :-)
in all seriousness Given the situation it is less than fair to ask you for an official answer, it is good enough that you replied.
Philippe

Modifié par philippe willaume, 15 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[Heavenly_King]

For me the ending was not that bad. It leaves the door open for more games . And having 5000 or higher EMS, makes you realize that there is something cool.

ME3 would have been a masterpiece if, in order to found some of the artifacts (protheans, and reaper) EDI detects some kind of anomaly, so you have to investigate the depths of some place, killing monsters, and exploring in order to obtain those precious things. That is my only complain in ME3. Gameplay, story, and graphics are way better in the 3rd one but some of the RPG elements have been diluted a little.

Also I think that they should have incorporated the mining mechanic of ME2, because it make sense. You are in an intergalactic fight, that determines the fate of the universe, so more minerals will help to make more ships, equipment etc.

ME3 is fantastic, and I really hope that they make lots of single player DLCs that let you explore more places in the galaxy. If Bioware make that, ME3 would be near perfection really....and the best game I would ever play.

[Gwtheyrn]

[Off-topic post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Teddie Sage]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

The thing I simply don't like, is how some questions are easily dodged by the game producers or paraphrased and changed to their own advantage. This is a part of general marketing I never liked. Not saying they should do this or should do that, but it frustrates me personally to no end. Clearly, BSN has a hardcore fanbase for every games made by the separate teams of this company... It would be fun sometimes to feel the trust and love from the developers instead of being treated like strangers. Oh, but don't mind me... I'm just being paranoid, like usual.

The community treats us like trusted buddies when things are rosy and there are no problems. When issues come up, they want OFFICIAL DEFINITE CORPORATE ANSWERS. Not that there's anything wrong with that, because we act the same way. When it's just us chatting about this or that, you'll find people like me or John or Priestly to be fun and informative. When issues come up, as devSin implied, the same kinds of official responses are presented.

As long as you are aware of why this happens, and can accept some measure of disappointment when soliciting us for OFFICIAL ANSWERS, everything should be fine.

I see. I understand perfectly. Sorry...

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

People are saying many things about the endings, but I think the most prominent one is: Our decisions don't matter. It appears the biggest change between all of them and the 'secret' one is a 5 second clip. This is not what I, and I'm sure others, expected. Variety, variety, variety. This is the word to remember when you boast a game where "your decisions matter."

[kbct]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh man, that is typical Woo and Priestly style moderating right there. lol

How about a real answer now?

You haven't been listening to us at all, have you?

Can you at least summarize what you want us to take away from this exchange because you don't want to talk about what everyone here wants to talk about - namely the ending.

[Idiotking]

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I would be greatly saddened if Bioware just put their fingers in their ears and pretended like nothing is wrong.

That's what I'm worried about, too.  It's just too easy to listen to the people who support you and ignore those who don't.

[Teddie Sage]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

The thing I simply don't like, is how some questions are easily dodged by the game producers or paraphrased and changed to their own advantage. This is a part of general marketing I never liked. Not saying they should do this or should do that, but it frustrates me personally to no end. Clearly, BSN has a hardcore fanbase for every games made by the separate teams of this company... It would be fun sometimes to feel the trust and love from the developers instead of being treated like strangers. Oh, but don't mind me... I'm just being paranoid, like usual.

The community treats us like trusted buddies when things are rosy and there are no problems. When issues come up, they want OFFICIAL DEFINITE CORPORATE ANSWERS. Not that there's anything wrong with that, because we act the same way. When it's just us chatting about this or that, you'll find people like me or John or Priestly to be fun and informative. When issues come up, as devSin implied, the same kinds of official responses are presented.

As long as you are aware of why this happens, and can accept some measure of disappointment when soliciting us for OFFICIAL ANSWERS, everything should be fine.

Will the fact that many fans are extremely dissatisfied be addressed?

I would be greatly saddened if Bioware just put their fingers in their ears and pretended like nothing is wrong.

Sadly, it's not their job. PRs are usually meant to do that. And I'm not sure we have one that logs in on BSN these days, unless s/he's a ghost member.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 15 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[WarBaby2]

Stanley Woo wrote...

As long as you are aware of why this happens, and can accept some measure of disappointment when soliciting us for OFFICIAL ANSWERS, everything should be fine.

Not all people know that, or have the patience to go along with that... I know you can understand that. I'v been there, I worked in customer relations for quite some time. Sometimes it's just easier, and wiser, to just stick to the facts.... even if that's boring.^^

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

[DigitalMaster37]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Darth Malignus wrote...

GREAT! I have a bug to report about the ending, Mr. Woo.

I doesn't work like that. You probably meant this as a joke, which I don't find funny at all, but I don't recall QA being priviledge to meddle with the main plot of the games. They are not part of the writing team, unless some of the writers also act as part-time QA. QA is serious business. It requires lots and lots of hours per day to find the glitches, reproduce them, write them down on paper or notepads, send the save datas to the game developpers and restart again from step one for many companies. So yeah, before criticizing a QA next time, think about what they're going through for us.

I'm sorry but, i found that comment to be hilarious! 

[Toshir]

Can we get a hint of what makes it that we should hold our ME3 saves forever?

[Teleraine]

Well this is weird now that I'm presented with active Bioware employees (not that your not active just active in a discussion sense)

I find that I'm still in shock of the ending and have no real heart to ask anything since it cant or wont be answered at this time..or ever. That's not overly negative that's just a statement of the current reality I'm living/presented with.

[Darth Malignus]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Darth Malignus wrote...

GREAT! I have a bug to report about the ending, Mr. Woo.

I doesn't work like that. You probably meant this as a joke, which I don't find funny at all, but I don't recall QA being priviledge to meddle with the main plot of the games. They are not part of the writing team, unless some of the writers also act as part-time QA. QA is serious business. It requires lots and lots of hours per day to find the glitches, reproduce them, write them down on paper or notepads, send the save datas to the game developpers and restart again from step one for many companies. So yeah, before criticizing a QA next time, think about what they're going through for us.

My gun didn't require reloading in the end. That ought to count as a bug, since I had to worry about it constantly in ME 2 and 3, right?

[dragonage200200]

I really do not mind when you guys comment on it as much as IF you guys comment on it. I just want to hear BWs honest opinion on all of this nonsense with the endings.

[Teddie Sage]

My best friend used to be a QA. He told me a lot about it. He almost lost his sanity over it.

Edit: Whoops. Off topic again. Sorry about that. ^^'''

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 15 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[Agarcn]

Mr. Woo i have to say i have gained a great amount of respect for you taking all this abuse from people That aside i think the big frustration people are having right now is people wanting clear answers when in a corporate world you can not give one unless you are given permission from the higher ups. Which i assume you have not been given any statement to give at this point in time. Again i say Bravo Mr. Woo bravo.

[Gwtheyrn]

Lionheartwolf wrote...

they dont really need to do anything to keep the consumers happy just like the consumers dont have to buy their next game.

people are allowed to have an opinion about how much they dont like the ending but the minute they buy mass effect 4 i lost all respect for them. thats why im curious about how well DA3 will do when that finally comes around because im pretty confident the people who hated 2 will still be picking it up launch day.

No, actually, I won't. I may pick it up used a few months or a year later just to see if they actually tried to correct their mistakes. Sadly, DA2 killed my enthusiasm for the fiction.

[Mythandariel]

I am still in shock that I got trolled by Harbinger. I got trolled by a Reaper.

Either that makes you guys evil or genuises... possibly both. But really, we would have waited while you perfected the ending. We would have waited another year. Not saying we would have liked it, but we would have waited.

[Stanley Woo]

kbct wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh man, that is typical Woo and Priestly style moderating right there. lol

How about a real answer now?

You haven't been listening to us at all, have you?

Can you at least summarize what you want us to take away from this exchange because you don't want to talk about what everyone here wants to talk about - namely the ending.

BioWare listens to all feedback when we release games. Not just those praising our games, and not just those who have issues and concerns with our games. We don't listen only to our community, or only to popular websites. Even if we don't respond immediately or to your satisfaction, BioWare appreciates its fanbase--all of it, even the part of it taking a break from BioWare games--and the feedback it provides. We will not always agree, and you will not always like what we do, but that's not going to stop us from striving to do better in the future. And we hope that, like us or not, you will come along for the ride because, hey, we might make something you'll really like next time. You are always welcome.

[Tyrael02]

SebastianDA wrote...

I'd hope you would develop a game that pleases your fans. I haven't touched any mass effect game since the ending. The ending was a huge disservice to the fans. I think some Forbes articles should be read. I've never seen an investor like hearing that a company isn't there to please their clients who pays the bills.

I agree. By extension I also think the current ending should be an available alternative rather than having some of the choices we have made over three installments funneled and crammed (and somewhat neglected?) into what the ending is now. We were all aware that ME is a dark and emotional story, but what we have been given really is a large disservice. The entire trilogy readies us for a monumental moments of catharsis and then sort of pulls the punch with the ending. The choices we have made really shape the story and for the end of such a trilogy a more satisfying and all-encompassing ending would be priceless for the fans. 

[Kloborgg711]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that this is just a self-serving poll so it can't be accurate. The self-serving poll asking if ME2 was disappointing still garnered 80%+ people who said they liked ME2, despite the relatively "big" controversy at the time. This isn't even a controversy, it's 90% of players who hate the endings, another 5% who don't mind, and maybe (maybe) 5% who like it but most of whom probably wouldn't mind extra options.


EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't mean to display any disrespect here. It's hard not to sound confrontational or aggressive when a lot of us have been waiting a long time to get any sort of response. 

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 15 mars 2012 - 03:18 .

[Darth Malignus]

Gwtheyrn wrote...

Lionheartwolf wrote...

they dont really need to do anything to keep the consumers happy just like the consumers dont have to buy their next game.

people are allowed to have an opinion about how much they dont like the ending but the minute they buy mass effect 4 i lost all respect for them. thats why im curious about how well DA3 will do when that finally comes around because im pretty confident the people who hated 2 will still be picking it up launch day.

No, actually, I won't. I may pick it up used a few months or a year later just to see if they actually tried to correct their mistakes. Sadly, DA2 killed my enthusiasm for the fiction.

Well, here's something that'll get your juices cooking.
www.baldursgate.com/
What's this countdown for, anyways?

[Rockworm503]

Syrellaris wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

Thank you, but while they may be an indication of something, they are based on a self-selecting sample of a specific minority of our total player base. Specifically, the ones who feel the strongest about the situation and seek out ways to make their displeasure known. So yes, they are useful in gauging how our community feels, but no, not necessarily as "proof" of how the general public feels.

Thank you! I am glad you are not listening to them. To me the endings make perfect sense and I do not wish to see them changed! Thankfully bioware knows it is only the minority acting up.

This always amuses me.
Whenever someone has anything negative to say just ignore them cause their just a loud minority.
Its funny how quick that mindset changes when you're part of that minority.