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[Hunter of Legends]

Stanley Woo wrote...

kbct wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh man, that is typical Woo and Priestly style moderating right there. lol

How about a real answer now?

You haven't been listening to us at all, have you?

Can you at least summarize what you want us to take away from this exchange because you don't want to talk about what everyone here wants to talk about - namely the ending.

BioWare listens to all feedback when we release games. Not just those praising our games, and not just those who have issues and concerns with our games. We don't listen only to our community, or only to popular websites. Even if we don't respond immediately or to your satisfaction, BioWare appreciates its fanbase--all of it, even the part of it taking a break from BioWare games--and the feedback it provides. We will not always agree, and you will not always like what we do, but that's not going to stop us from striving to do better in the future. And we hope that, like us or not, you will come along for the ride because, hey, we might make something you'll really like next time. You are always welcome.

Yes, we/I understand you will listen but will you respond to the dissent?

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 15 mars 2012 - 03:18 .

[Stanley Woo]

WarBaby2 wrote...

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

And this sets up the community to hear "we are going to comment soon," with "comment" meaning "giving you good news" and "soon" meaning "any time now." At least a witty comment makes no promises and sets up no expectations except that I'm a smart aleck.

[Farbautisonn]

Stanley Woo wrote...
BioWare listens to all feedback when we release games. Not just those praising our games, and not just those who have issues and concerns with our games. We don't listen only to our community, or only to popular websites. Even if we don't respond immediately or to your satisfaction, BioWare appreciates its fanbase--all of it, even the part of it taking a break from BioWare games--and the feedback it provides. We will not always agree, and you will not always like what we do, but that's not going to stop us from striving to do better in the future. And we hope that, like us or not, you will come along for the ride because, hey, we might make something you'll really like next time. You are always welcome.

-Thats nice....


....so do you like waffles? 


Edit:

And by You, I mean you personally, not everyone at Bioware/EA. Just want to make sure I pointed that out.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 15 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[InvincibleHero]

jeweledleah wrote...


empire strikes back was a movie number 5 and people knew that movie number 6 was coming.  and movie numbers 6?  has a happy ending.

its much easier to live with a downer ending when you know there's a light at the end of the tunnel, when you know that the story is on over yet.

Mass Effect 3 is IT for Shepard.  the final instalment.  and that's why people want closure.  also - without going into spoilers to much, regardless of which ending you chose, this sycle is not salvageable.   the galaxy is still screwed. what Shepard DID was potentialy stop another cycle from happening (I'm saying potentialy, becasue in case of one of the endings, in 50k years, who knows what happens...)  to call this ending bittersweet would be very optimistic.  YMMV of course.

lastly.  there a huge difference between a movie.  and interactive experience that developers CLAIM in an interview was co-written with the fans.  (and concidering ammount of fan service in ME3, some of it directly pulled from character support threads, fan art meme's etc.  yeah.  it really was).  when developers open themselves up to fan feedback in such a manner, and actualy encorporate it.  you cannot just  scream "artistic integrity!  its their story!"  becasue it no longer is.

I'm glad they seem to be still listening to feedback.  all feedback, not just  "I'm going to defend bioware, becasue I like playing devi's advocate" feedback.  I except it will take a fair bit of time to formulate a responce.  I was impatient back when bioware was staying completely silent.  but now that they are showing that they just haven't formulated final response yet?  I'm willing to wait for it.

P.S>  could someone please explain to me what exactly makes downer ending artisticaly better then a happy one?  and why is it a desire for an option of a happy ending somehow seen as a bad thing?  immature thing?  I don't know about you all, but i'm old enough to have delat with plenty of downer endings in real life, I'm past the age when I wanted to seek out fictional drama becasue my real life didn't have enough strife in it.

Thanks for being civil.  A few points it was taboo then for movies to have the bad guys win. No one knew what movie 6 would bring it could have ended with the Empire finsihing off the Rebellion which almost did happen.

How do you know nothing can be done for the galaxy after ME3? BW writes it not you or I. They know the exact state of things and how to start their next game if there is to be one at this point given the negativity they are subjected to and people saying I will never buy another ME/BW?EA game if they do not cave to my desires now.

There is no difference. Meida creator has all rights associated with it. we are just the consumers. It is nice that BW is open and does incorporate fan feedback when many others do not. There is such a thing as becoming too demanding and stepping all over their creation. What you want collides with what they have made and wanted for ME. So you deserve to have your want satisfied over theirs?

No devils' advocate. I truly beleieve in an artist's right of interpretation. Don't like it fine create your own art. Your job is to consume it or not and offer feedback if you wish. It is not a relationship where you get to make demands like you could tell a contractor to paint your bathroom a ceratin color. Imagine your buying a Picasso and making changes that suits you. Do you think it will be owrth as much now? No way. His vision and his piece. ME 3 is the colaboration of many hardworking people that had a vision too. 

I never said it was better or more artistic just one Bw has every right to make and it is up to us to accept it as such. I would not have minded if they included it in the original menu of options but they did not. To change now would be to cave to fan demand and ruin their credibility as a game media creator. if they are willing to change the ending then all is fair game people just have to kick up enough noise. So their product is changeable and not something they believe in and will stand by.

The funny thing is people saying they sold out making COD clone want them to sell-out and make happy ending for them. It is a wonder they cannot see the realtionship between the two. It would be a bigger cop-out to abandon their art and pander to vocal fans than try to broaden the appeal of their games which is understandable.

[Kloborgg711]

Stanley Woo wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

And this sets up the community to hear "we are going to comment soon," with "comment" meaning "giving you good news" and "soon" meaning "any time now." At least a witty comment makes no promises and sets up no expectations except that I'm a smart aleck.

Can I ask one thing then? Regardless of when it happens or what it contains, can we expect an "official" Bioware response to the ending issue? It would be nice just to know it won't be ignored into oblivion.

[ViperAlvein]

Stanley Woo wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

And this sets up the community to hear "we are going to comment soon," with "comment" meaning "giving you good news" and "soon" meaning "any time now." At least a witty comment makes no promises and sets up no expectations except that I'm a smart aleck.

And better to be a smart aleck than give people false hope and get rediculed for it later. ((That said, I wouldn't mind some hope as i'm sure many of my fellow 'dislike ending' comrades would agree lol)) But we'll take what we're given!

[gamegoddess 21]

please change the endings! either use the indoctrination theory where the only way to wake up is to choose destroy and have a high enough readiness score. or add a fourth option that destroys the reapers and does not destroy the mass relays or the geth maybe like a hidden option that the catalysts doesn't mention and shepard finds and angers the catalyst

[BuffPhantoms]

actually almost noone cares, and they won't change anything.

[DigitalMaster37]

Stanley Woo wrote...

kbct wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh man, that is typical Woo and Priestly style moderating right there. lol

How about a real answer now?

You haven't been listening to us at all, have you?

Can you at least summarize what you want us to take away from this exchange because you don't want to talk about what everyone here wants to talk about - namely the ending.

BioWare listens to all feedback when we release games. Not just those praising our games, and not just those who have issues and concerns with our games. We don't listen only to our community, or only to popular websites. Even if we don't respond immediately or to your satisfaction, BioWare appreciates its fanbase--all of it, even the part of it taking a break from BioWare games--and the feedback it provides. We will not always agree, and you will not always like what we do, but that's not going to stop us from striving to do better in the future. And we hope that, like us or not, you will come along for the ride because, hey, we might make something you'll really like next time. You are always welcome.

I can only respect that Woo! Honestly, understanding how business works, you are 100% correct. 

Here's hoping we get news soon, but I am very optimistic about ME3's future as it relates to a better ending and I am looking forward to it. I need those blue babies you know...

Put in a special word for me to the devs. thanks! 

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 15 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[Dragoonlordz]

PiEman wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Well I liked it. So I guess that would make me one.

Like I have said in the past I do not treat any game not even ME franchise as a dictionary or thesaurus, a biography or documentary or require everything to be answered. I treat it as a form of entertainment. In that it succedded and hence the enjoyment. I also have stated you will never get 100% closure on everything because the outcomes are infinite over time. You make choice x save it saves y (closure), he goes on and lives happy life or sad one (closure), he had a child and that child went on and lived his life (closure) again and goes on forever. How much is enough is subjective. If you require facts to enjoy yourgames as opposed to emotional response to enjoy a game then so be it but as a form of entertainment it did just fine by me and I have been a long time member of Biowares community and purchaser of their titles like many others so I will ask you leave out any snide comments or silly generalisations just incase you think about doing so. 

I really am sick of you.

How do you justify them lying about the choices mattering at the very end then? Or do you just REALLY like the color green?

You asked a question I answered it, your opinion of me is not relevant to that. You never said you wanted an answer from everyone except myself. As you have asked another question of me I will answer that too. The choices mattered to me where it counted which was part of the 45 hours I spent playing the game prior to the end final 10 minutes, the final choice was mere icing on a cake and not the be all and end all of everything that I did prior. As long as whatever option or choice or lack of gave an emotional conclusion to the end of the trilogy then I was content and happy with that, as said the choices for me were covered in everything leading up to that point the ending required emotional impact.

Stop treating everyone who liked the game is lower beings. If you do not like it fair enough but you don't get to dictate what other people enjoyed so stop it. If you ask a question you shouldn't be attacking someone who answered it just because you hate the answer.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[Lord Costantino]

Stanley Woo wrote...

kbct wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh man, that is typical Woo and Priestly style moderating right there. lol

How about a real answer now?

You haven't been listening to us at all, have you?

Can you at least summarize what you want us to take away from this exchange because you don't want to talk about what everyone here wants to talk about - namely the ending.

BioWare listens to all feedback when we release games. Not just those praising our games, and not just those who have issues and concerns with our games. We don't listen only to our community, or only to popular websites. Even if we don't respond immediately or to your satisfaction, BioWare appreciates its fanbase--all of it, even the part of it taking a break from BioWare games--and the feedback it provides. We will not always agree, and you will not always like what we do, but that's not going to stop us from striving to do better in the future. And we hope that, like us or not, you will come along for the ride because, hey, we might make something you'll really like next time. You are always welcome.

This will help sum up why the ending has issues.

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/ and the main reasons.

I really hope better endings are on the way. Yes, some should have Shepard die and some should have him live. Choices matter.

Modifié par Lord Costantino, 15 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[bleachorange]

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

They show a majority of BSN users who vote on polls do not like the ending. You are confusing sample size with a proper sample. If you poll every New Yorker, and 90% of them agree on something, does the rest of America automatically fall in line? Statistically speaking, a sample size of over 1,000 doesn't improve accuracy that much. But you must take a sample from the representative population, not just one part of it.

That said, I too want a new ending. read here, if you still are, please Stan. It highlights my thoughts nicely.

http://www.gamefront...comment-page-1/

[Neroteyen]

Stanley Woo wrote...

BioWare listens to all feedback when we release games. Not just those praising our games, and not just those who have issues and concerns with our games. We don't listen only to our community, or only to popular websites. Even if we don't respond immediately or to your satisfaction, BioWare appreciates its fanbase--all of it, even the part of it taking a break from BioWare games--and the feedback it provides. We will not always agree, and you will not always like what we do, but that's not going to stop us from striving to do better in the future. And we hope that, like us or not, you will come along for the ride because, hey, we might make something you'll really like next time. You are always welcome.

Well just so you know. Many of us apreciate you taking the aggro. tanking if you will IF, WHEN ETC you can say anything about this furor you will. Thank you for chatting in general. Its been a lonely time lately with seeming no response. So until thier is something official. I for one thank you muchly just for at least taking some of the venting:)

[Chaoswind]

seems like this is a good day, my CE finally came home, and the forums get a blue post to calm the masses

all is good, all is great and my game is ready to play!!!!

work in 6 hours so that gives me 4 hours to play

[PiEman]

I give up. They're not going to give us real answers, and they don't give a crap about the fanbase, no matter how many times Woo says that isn't true.

Gah...

[NewUszi]

Do people really feel entitled to BW employees coming onto the forums and interacting with them? Are they aware there are plenty of developers who flat out refuse to engage their player base at all?

http://jeff-vogel.bl...ould-never.html

[Stanley Woo]

Agarcn wrote...

Mr. Woo i have to say i have gained a great amount of respect for you taking all this abuse from people That aside i think the big frustration people are having right now is people wanting clear answers when in a corporate world you can not give one unless you are given permission from the higher ups. Which i assume you have not been given any statement to give at this point in time. Again i say Bravo Mr. Woo bravo.

I've been abused on the forum before. This isn't even close to it. The vast majority of folks here have been very reasonable and have asked good questions. It's this kind of environment that attracts developers to participate in discussions, so the more threads the community creates that are as mature and civil as this one is, the more likely it is that developers (and jerks like me and John Epler) will want to come chat.

[ViperAlvein]

BuffPhantoms wrote...

actually almost noone cares, and they won't change anything.

I may not be a moderator or anything, but is there really any need for comments like this?

[TheJiveDJ]

Stanley Woo wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

And this sets up the community to hear "we are going to comment soon," with "comment" meaning "giving you good news" and "soon" meaning "any time now." At least a witty comment makes no promises and sets up no expectations except that I'm a smart aleck.

But then that sets the expectation that you're a smart aleck!  What if you cease to be one!!  Then you've let us down and we're all going to go into fan-rage mode and DEMAND that you return to being a smart aleck!!  lol

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 15 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[Computim]

Personally I just want to know that my complaints were heard and not be made to feel like it's a privillege to speak to the people who sell me their product. I guarantee we wouldn't have a lot of customers where I work if I ever tried that.

I disliked the ending, I felt it wasn't complete for a whole whack load of reasons, I felt it wasn't to the quality or caliber the rest of the series, even the rest of the game had. I was gushing about it to anyone and everyone who would listen while playing it, then I just 'dropped off the earth' after the game. I found the forums here and vented, assuming that adding my voice to the collective voices of others would make a difference, I stuck around because the community was friendly, and the charity stuff made me feel like, regardless what happened, I wasn't wasting my time.

Really hope the DLC addresses the complaints on here.. There are a lot, and considering how many people are vocal about them it's not just a small minority, it's a passionate core of Bioware's business. Their hardcore loyal fanboys, of whom I have considered myself one for many years. I've loved BW since the KOTOR days.

[LegendaryBlade]

BuffPhantoms wrote...

actually almost noone cares, and they won't change anything.

40,000 people and 45k dollars in donations disagrees with you

[dragonage200200]

Stanley Woo wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

And this sets up the community to hear "we are going to comment soon," with "comment" meaning "giving you good news" and "soon" meaning "any time now." At least a witty comment makes no promises and sets up no expectations except that I'm a smart aleck.

And witty comments always make people laugh, so you know, that helps.

[Chaoswind]

oh take it easy, a lot of people got their games 48 hours ago and some don't even have it, Woo is taking the aggro and tanking, now give the devs time to cast something to cure the berserkers

[Darth Malignus]

Stanley Woo wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

A simple "We cannot say, but we may be able to comment at that soon" sometimes get's you farther than a witty comment.

And this sets up the community to hear "we are going to comment soon," with "comment" meaning "giving you good news" and "soon" meaning "any time now." At least a witty comment makes no promises and sets up no expectations except that I'm a smart aleck.

People: Some companies work under the pretense that even if their employees DO know something about anything related to the company, they still can't comment on it. Sometimes they can't even comment on whether or not they CAN comment on it. I know, that makes no sense what so ever, but it's not Mr. Woo's fault.

[Darkwingduck]

So Mr. Woo would I be correct in assuming that at the moment Bioware isn't prepared to respond to anything because they are building a consensus? Could I then illogically conclude that Bioware are geth?...I freakin knew it!