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[domainfighter]

HELL YA!!!! I like see that! BW is starting to ask us about the ending and lets hope the DLC is ending based

[Farbautisonn]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
This community? You must be joking.

They would leak stuff the secon they got it regardless. Hell they already did in the past.

-This community includes you.

[Vasarkian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

Stan the man, you're in QA are you not?

Yes, I am in QA and have been for 11 years.

You didn't forsee what the endings would do to the fanbase?  I can understand a controversial ending, but not one that is blatantly so full of holes.  I won't list them, they are there to read.

You didn't foresee it, either. But Stan, i hear you say, i'm not a psychic. I can't predict the future! And that's when I coyly wink at you and walk off into the sunset.

Seriously, though, if you think there is some magic formula that allows prodcut creators to see the future and gauge consumer response, then I'd like to get my hands on it because that's a billion dollar bit of wizardry right there!

No one can predict the future.

I believe they call it Quality Assurance, and it can be supplemented by tasking the community with NDA's randomly to test the game.

This is also a good reason why QA testers should probably never be reused by the same company due to developed bias.

This community? You must be joking.

They would leak stuff the secon they got it regardless. Hell they already did in the past.

Leaks really don't matter and can't be stopped anyway.

NDA's are serious and you can sue people who breach them

But yes from the community, randomly, see what they think, then task that with the current QA team and see what the results are. Always change the QA so you don't develop bias's.

[eoinnx03]

Stan just one question has bioware looked at any of the polls about the endings?

And Stan thanks for replying!

[Jayce]

The Razman wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

They mind as well take out the word 'like' and just leave it to what people disliked about it. Then again, it should be obvious what people dislike about it.

Yes.

Because nobody liked anything about the ending. Everybody on the planet hated everything about it.

Even their cats hated it.

Even Steve hated it.

STEEEEEVE!

Seriously.

(And by seriously, I of course mean NOT seriously.)

I've been browsing here on and off all day and of the hundreds or thousand odd posts I've read, I've seen maybe a dozen people (myself included) say anything positive about the ending....

[Amikae]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

If you want people to buy it you are...

We develop the game based on market research, general feedback, and our own ideas and goals.

The gamer with the screen name Jayce F ultimately has no control over what the end product will be. Jayce F can certainly make suggestions and critique the games and offer other feedback, but our games are not made "to please Jayce F."
And you likely bought Mass Effect 1 and enjoyed it. How could we have made that game "to please Jayce F" if it'sthe first game in the series, and the first game of a new franchise? Presumably, we kind of know what we're doing and made the game to please a section of the gaming market.

That's what I mean.

Then let me ask you this, since you're QA - Did you like the endings, when you tested the game?

[Vasarkian]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

I've neither read any Twilight novel, nor seen the movies and all I know about either is that the vampire is called Edward and in the movie has sparkly skin. So sorry, I can't

Actually, you pretty much just did.

How does a sparklely vampire please anyone enough to buy 4 book and tickets to 5 films?

Women seem to like it for the romance.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I understand you can't predict the future.

But if you had stayed in touch with your playerbase you would have come pretty damn close.

[Farbautisonn]

Credit where credit is due. Thanks for the dialogue, Stan. Im sure we all appreciate it very much.

[Wishpig]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

...Wow.

He meant YOU, as in a single person. They made the game in hopes to please the majority. They failed, but they certainly didn't mean too.

If you want an entire game where you can make sweet love to Joker... too bad... it's not a game just for you.

Modifié par Wishpig, 15 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[Farbautisonn]

Wishpig wrote...

If you want an entire game where you can make sweet love to Joker... too bad... it's not a game just for you.

.....wait... wat? 

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

dragonage200200 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

They mind as well take out the word 'like' and just leave it to what people disliked about it. Then again, it should be obvious what people dislike about it.

There are few things, but someparts of the ending I like, EX: The moment when Shepard and Anderson are sitting together looking at Earth.

tbh I think the whole game is fine up to the end of that last conversation with Anderson


You know if they had made Shepard hit the destroy button right before that conversation and you had a shot of Anderson and Shepard chatting while watching earth and then the citadel blew, I could have lived with that

Modifié par DinoSteve, 15 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[kbct]

Stan, why wait so long to respond? It seems like BioWare saw this train coming for days.

Modifié par kbct, 15 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Wishpig]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

If you want an entire game where you can make sweet love to Joker... too bad... it's not a game just for you.

.....wait... wat? 

I meant the Batman villian of course...

[Stanley Woo]

Jayce F wrote...

It must pretty much suck to be you guys right now and having to deal with this.

Actually, I'm all right with it. The community has been articulate, considerate, and for the most part extremely respectful and smart with how it is providing its feedback. And a large portion of those dissatisfied with the ME3 endings are cautioning others to keep the criticism constructive, to be respectful to the developers, and to remain civil in their arguments. I appreciate that a great deal, and I thank you and the rest of our community for that.

I just hope that I can do my little bit to convince you that, yes, we are listening and dispel at least some of the "BioWare doesn't care fo this reason or that" type comments. i've always said that we may not always be able to say what you want to hear, or even respond all the time, but we are always listening.

[Dragoonlordz]

Vasarkian wrote...

Leaks really don't matter and can't be stopped anyway.

NDA's are serious and you can sue people who breach them

But yes from the community, randomly, see what they think, then task that with the current QA team and see what the results are. Always change the QA so you don't develop bias's.

And if those members they pick from this community do not agree with you on a future product and actually give feedback that is detrimental to your stance on top of the fact they will inevitably leak every single peice of information about the product regardless of NDA's as they alays seem to do these days and if they get sued everyone will cry foul again too then what? Take an example I disliked DA2, maybe you disliked DA2, we might have been happy based on that to think have same goals in every single title which is not the case and would you cry foul then or bias if at that time my stance or yours is different to a following title? I do not think this route would work.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Vasarkian wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

I've neither read any Twilight novel, nor seen the movies and all I know about either is that the vampire is called Edward and in the movie has sparkly skin. So sorry, I can't

Actually, you pretty much just did.

How does a sparklely vampire please anyone enough to buy 4 book and tickets to 5 films?

Women seem to like it for the romance.

The concept is solid, but the execution is terrible.

It's like taking the concept of Star Wars and replacing Luke Skywalker with Wesley Crusher.

TAKE THAT, WIL WHEATON!

[Tazzmission]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

It must pretty much suck to be you guys right now and having to deal with this.

Actually, I'm all right with it. The community has been articulate, considerate, and for the most part extremely respectful and smart with how it is providing its feedback. And a large portion of those dissatisfied with the ME3 endings are cautioning others to keep the criticism constructive, to be respectful to the developers, and to remain civil in their arguments. I appreciate that a great deal, and I thank you and the rest of our community for that.

I just hope that I can do my little bit to convince you that, yes, we are listening and dispel at least some of the "BioWare doesn't care fo this reason or that" type comments. i've always said that we may not always be able to say what you want to hear, or even respond all the time, but we are always listening.

thanks stan nice to hear someone speak honestly

i feel really bad for you guys having to listen to them

[dantesfire10]

up to them now. everyone has said what they needed to say. it's up to Bioware now to change (anything) they feel is necessary (if they believe it's necessary).

[Sentr0]

Wishpig wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

...Wow.

He meant YOU, as in a single person. They made the game in hopes to please the majority. They failed, but they certainly didn't mean too.

If you want an entire game where you can make sweet love to Joker... too bad... it's not a game just for you.

problem is the majority is all but pleased, so something must have gone wrong.



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Modifié par Sentr0, 15 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[bluewolv1970]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

If you want people to buy it you are...

We develop the game based on market research, general feedback, and our own ideas and goals.

The gamer with the screen name Jayce F ultimately has no control over what the end product will be. Jayce F can certainly make suggestions and critique the games and offer other feedback, but our games are not made "to please Jayce F."
And you likely bought Mass Effect 1 and enjoyed it. How could we have made that game "to please Jayce F" if it'sthe first game in the series, and the first game of a new franchise? Presumably, we kind of know what we're doing and made the game to please a section of the gaming market.

That's what I mean.

and yet the endings would STRONGLY suggest otherwise...I mean given there is a poll here which has 99% of over 40,000 voters saying they did not like the endings...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 15 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[HiroVoid]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

...Wow.

If you don't like the game, don't buy it.  If you bought it based on trust of the company, be more careful in future purchases.  Also, this is basically Stanley's basic reply to posts talking about feedback such as with Dragon Age II.  I'm pretty sure he has it as a note to copy and paste at this point.   Anyway, I've always liked the blunt posts of Stanley Woo compared to the wishy washy ones.  It feels more blunt and honest anyway.

I can understand why people would be more upset for ME3 though since it's hard for people to not buy the last entry in the series of games you may have liked.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 15 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[ebevan91]

Stan, since you're reading this thread, when can we expect to see the next patch? I'd really like for those bugged side missions to be fixed so I can replay ME3 again.

Also the whole EMS/War Assets thing. Bioware says you do not need MP to get the best ending, but that's not true.

Modifié par ebevan91, 15 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Wishpig wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

If you want an entire game where you can make sweet love to Joker... too bad... it's not a game just for you.

.....wait... wat? 

I meant the Batman villian of course...

And then Harley drops you into a vat of acid.