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[John Epler]

And I do want to thank everyone for remaining civil. It's unfortunate that, sometimes, there are some people on these forums that take things too far and represent us all poorly to the outside world, but I believe (and this thread is bearing out this belief) that, by and large, people are able to stay on the appropriate side of passion versus vitriol.

It's quite appreciated, and it's a lot easier for a developer to interact with you all when the personal attacks and insults are kept to a minimum.

[John Epler]

Tazzmission wrote...

Nachtritter76 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

and they said choices from me1 will have a major impact in me2 and yet it was limited and wheres the same outrage for that?

people need to quit hanging onto every little tibit because things do change and heck some things may even be impossible to do

People were disappointed back then too. But there were other problems that required more attention. Besides, ME2 wasn't the definitive ending to the series.

ME3 is.

but how many people made petitions on making me1 choices dlc to have for me2?

or how many threads have you seen people say well we are owed rights and what we say matters regarding it?

or how many people made a hey everyone lets be some internet wallstreet bad guys and start fighting the power and chant lets hold the line until our demands our met?

my issue isnt about the ending my issue is how posters have been bad mouthing the devs

id like to see you do a trilogy and have 99% of your fans call you a hack or ask for you to be fired from your job

Again, the majority of people aren't asking for people to be fired, or referring to anyone as a hack. Yes, there's a loud minority that does this, but by and large people are being respectful and civil while bringing up what they see as an issue with the game. 

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. And there's a world of difference between 'critical' and 'hostile'. Believe me, I've been in the DA2 forums since pre-release, so I've seen both sides of that coin.

[John Epler]

baronkohinar wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I'll say that I loved the ending to Dark Tower and found it immensely satisfying, which I've always understood to be a minority opinion. So, you know.

I similarly was a big fan. However, I felt with DT that was the inevitable end. With ME3 it felt like the end was divorced of our choices and the effect we'd had on the galaxy, not to mention the themes up until that point.

Also, note that Stephen King never promised that the fans that they wouldn't all be forced into the same ending before we bought the book ;-)

Honestly, when I first heard about Dark Tower's ending (out of context), it almost made me stop reading (I had it spoiled for me because I was late to the party). But I'm glad I kept on, because the journey was pretty awesome, and, once I got through that journey, the ending turned out to work quite well. Of course, any series with wolves of the Calla in it is aces - but now I'm going off-topic.

At the end of the day, I think everyone has the right to share their opinion, as long as they do so respectfully - which everyone here is doing. At the same time, I would ask that we stay away from 'objective truth' posts, because there are a number of people who are enjoying the ending. I'm not saying that people who don't like it are wrong, so let's not start that tangent. What I -am- saying, though, is that people saying 'you liked it? HOW COULD YOU LIKE IT WHEN IT WAS SO OBVIOUSLY BAD?' aren't really being constructive.

Personally, I'm happy with it, but again - everyone's allowed to have their opinion. But please try and remember that a lot of talented people put their heart and soul into this game, and accusations about how they're 'lazy' or what have you aren't constructive. They made a creative choice you may not be happy with - it's not a reason to denigrate them or their abilities. I'm really happy people are remaining respectful - let's try and keep things that way.

[John Epler]

And to clarify, I'm certainly not saying 'TOE THE LINE' if you don't like the endings. Let's keep the comments to the endings specifically, though, rather than the people involved.

[John Epler]

calabain wrote...

I know this is hard, but try to see it from an outsiders perspective.  Between little stuff being mishandled (the whole Tali fiasco, for example) to endings whose cinematics are all essentially the same, its easy to see how the lazy stigma could be applied to Bioware (being associated with EA doesn't help, fair or no)

Personally? I think its ridiculous.  Very few people want to make something bad or lazy or rushed, they want to be lauded and remembered.  Honestly, no one here knows what you guys do to make these games, how work life is or anything like that, so those opinions are based on a limited perspective.  

Oh, I do look at it from an outsiders perspective. There's a reason we're, to a degree, lenient on these forums - we understand that there's a lot that happens that isn't public. No one knows the hours that are worked, or the sacrifices that are made - or the reasons why things happen the way they do. And that's not your guys' fault, because why should you know these things? So when someone's passionate but reasonable, well, that's an opinion we can respect, and one we'll look at, even if we don't necessarily change what they want changed.

At the same time, though, it's that same disconnect that needs to be kept in mind when you're interacting with developers. Because just as it can be hard for you to know what we know, it can be difficult for us to look at what's being said with the understanding that you really don't know what goes on at the studio. When you're coming off months and months of little sleep and regarding your family as 'those strangers who happen to share a house with me', it can be frustrating to hop on a forum and see 'BioWare is lazy/what a bunch of hacks!'. Since, in your mind, you -know- exactly what you've done to get that game out. And it's hard to remember that, well, the fans as a whole don't know the same things.

Does that make sense? As long as things are respectful, and everyone at least makes an attempt to understand each other, I think there's some good discussion that can happen on these boards. As soon as it gets personal and nasty, though - that's when things start to spiral. I like to keep it on the constructive side of things.

[John Epler]

Once again, please keep this spoiler free. Thanks!

[John Epler]

Nachtritter76 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Once again, please keep this spoiler free. Thanks!

I didn't see it as a spoiler, but I guess it might have been.

Still, Cthulhu will rise when the stars are right. 

Mostly because you were quoting the other guy, who had spoilers.

Also, I oppose the return of the Old Ones and all their priests.

[Stanley Woo]

Daggerville wrote...

Speaking of Farscape (on an off-topic sense here), the ending of the last Farscape season can be comparable to the endings of Mass Effect 3. You have two characters that you loyally followed through the seasons and they end up being vaporised in the last moment, as some sort of evil cliffhanger / heart stab. Though, the mini-series fixed this.

And thank you so much for spoiling the ending of Farscape for me.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's stay on topic, please. MelfinaofOutlawStar, Nachtritter76, take your chat to private message or IRC. Thanks.