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[K_Tabris]

The Normandy scene showing my two squadmates exiting, the same ones who rushed the beam with my Shepard makes absolutely no sens, no matter how you spin it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Broskys, I'm excited for all the new content that will come out! At least, I hope, RIGHT STAN the MAN? Nah, I just think how silly it is that people complain about this ending but not any other Bioware ending, seriously look at:

ME: Same ending with a little variation depending on character choice
ME2: Same ending with a little variation due to character choice (live or die)
DAO: Same endings (live or die) with variation due to character choice
DA2:Well, I think I don't need to explain that one XD
ME3: SAME ENDINGS WITH VARIATION DUE TO CHARACTER CHOICE

But now see? It's always been that way, there's always been limited end choices with little variation to said ending. I get people want to see some closure, what happened to my crew? WTF, why destroy the relays? What about the love of my digital life? Maybe some of you even would just like some clarification or a text epilogue like in DAO.

Well, if it means that much to you, fill in the blanks, think, MAKE A CHOICE. Isn't that what you have been complaining about not being able to do? Oh, the irony.... If you want an ending, make one, but personally I love the ending of which I was given because I know that I'll have so much more to explore in DLC and future games. In other news, WHO"S SIKED FOR DA3?

The endings for the preceding titles make sense when you're trying to steer the narrative a certain direction for a general conclusion. If any of the ME games should have had a more liberal ending it's ME3 becuase it was the end of the series. They could have done anything and everything but chose a more conservative approach.

[Darth Malignus]

Mr. Woo, the sole reason the fanbase is in such an uproar is simply because we were unprepared. And yes, we are disgruntled to say the least, even though I can understand why you would try to dodge that particular bullet. And we're not blaming you personally, unless you're admitting you had a hand in it.

We actually thought that by reading the word "BioWare" on the package, it meant "Quality", as it used to in the past. You guys always stood out as never compromising on the story. Hell, the game mechanics were pretty much secondary. We loved the story and our character developement, and the fact that fans could grow to love certain games more than even their boy/girlfriend says it all.

We've read the interviews. Your lead designers etc. told us flat out it was going to be more of the same as previously, and then they pulled this stunt. We're so disappointed, because we had our hopes up to a degree I don't think you people at BioWare completely fathom (yet). The ME-universe consumed us, some might say "indoctrinated us", and then we were fed a dog biscuit at the very end, where all of those decisions we spent hours, days, MONTHS making were effectively rendered useless, each and every one of them. And instead we got a Deus Ex rip-off.

To make the end of the most expected title in 2012 an artistical experiment was the mother of all bad marketing decisions (you'd think M. Night Shyamalan on a bad day had a direct part in writing that, no disrespect to his films). We could halfways accept the Tali-photoshopped failure (to a degree), even the whole mess with the Day 1-DLC. But the horribly written and executed endings, where even part of it was a photoshopped background of a stock picture anyone could find online, that was the ultimate insult.

If this kind of publicity is what you were looking for, you certainly got it. As far as I remember, that's 2 articles in Forbes on this particular topic by now. The must-read for shareholders in the US, Canada and in pretty much every Western economy. Can we agree on that much, at least?

Modifié par Darth Malignus, 15 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[Stanley Woo]

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

[infalible]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Presumably, we kind of know what we're doing and made the game to please a section of the gaming market.

That's what I mean.

What section of the gaming market, Stan? What is Bioware's defined segment of the gaming market, and has it changed since you shipped Baldur's Gate, or Neverwinter Nights?

I have many presumptions about the above questions, but the biggest one is that you're unlikely to answer me. Marketing would likely have a field day if you did.

Modifié par infalible, 15 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[Syrellaris]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

Thank you, but while they may be an indication of something, they are based on a self-selecting sample of a specific minority of our total player base. Specifically, the ones who feel the strongest about the situation and seek out ways to make their displeasure known. So yes, they are useful in gauging how our community feels, but no, not necessarily as "proof" of how the general public feels.

Thank you! I am glad you are not listening to them. To me the endings make perfect sense and I do not wish to see them changed! Thankfully bioware knows it is only the minority acting up.

you might want to look up what minority means - 90% of 42,000 did no tlike the endings and 7% did not like on aspect of the endings - so 3% of 42,00 people liked the endings...

the game sold almost 2 million times. Taking into account that is
perhaps around 1.8 million unique players, the 40K is nothing but a
minority.

[The Razman]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

Thank you, but while they may be an indication of something, they are based on a self-selecting sample of a specific minority of our total player base. Specifically, the ones who feel the strongest about the situation and seek out ways to make their displeasure known. So yes, they are useful in gauging how our community feels, but no, not necessarily as "proof" of how the general public feels.

yes 40,000 people is a small sample size - please

I've never even seen that poll. Most likely because I like the ending, and am not clamouring to find ways of expressing my feelings towards it.

40,000 is definitely not a small number ... but it's also a biased sample. Ignoring that is foolish.

[Dragoonlordz]

Vasarkian wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

Thank you, but while they may be an indication of something, they are based on a self-selecting sample of a specific minority of our total player base. Specifically, the ones who feel the strongest about the situation and seek out ways to make their displeasure known. So yes, they are useful in gauging how our community feels, but no, not necessarily as "proof" of how the general public feels.

Don't forget that this same community is the one that made BioWare what it is today.

You mean the community that tries to force the developer to replace it's creativity for fan service and make threats such as with DA2, Liara figurine, Origin, Anime series all of which had people trying to threaten cancellations which led the the meme of "Pre-Order cancelled" and of which is a small sub section of the overall amount of people who buy their games which equates to less than 1%?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 01:29 .

[dragonage200200]

TheBandit554 wrote...

 WHO"S SIKED FOR DA3?

I lol'ed. And its because I am one of the few people on this board who are.

[Volus Warlord]

Syrellaris wrote...

the game sold almost 2 million times. Taking into account that is
perhaps around 1.8 million unique players, the 40K is nothing but a
minority.

You know most statiscians use a sample size of about 1-4k , right? 

[hubbardray]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

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No they show that a majority of BSN active user does not like them. Other people doesn't have problem with it as seen in many other site. If by majority you call 9000-15000 vote on a million selling game. Yeah sure whatever you want to call majority. 

While it would be unfair to say that 99% of players were displeased just from this poll, it still serves as a good idea about the general feelings for the endings. If people don't vote, you cannot say "oh but they all like this option, I know." If anything, you would split it equally for each side, and that still ends with more than 50% displeased. With the current data(BTW, 40k is a MASSIVE sample size), it is VERY safe to assume that the majority does not like the current endings.

Personally, if 35% of people didn't like a something, I would at least at least look into it. At 50%, I would know that I had screwed up. Its nice to see that BW is paying attention(or at least smart enough to lie and say they are) to something this major.

Modifié par hubbardray, 15 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[Vasarkian]

Stanley Woo wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

No offense, but when you refer to "popular accounts", please understand that those who look into these things don't actually believe any of the "popular" review sites because they've all had skeletons in the closet about being paid off for reviews or have been proven to review things inaccurately.

I don't see any all or nothing or us vs them, but you don't seem very understanding or agreeable.

[Tietj]

It's not really an "all or nothing" attitude in this case though. If the 1% of the game that was awful were somewhere in the middle, it would be completely different. It's the fact that its the very last part of a trilogy that really makes people unhappy

[Amikae]

Stanley Woo wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

Everyone, that speaks negatively of the game's endings also acknowledges, that the game is awesome up to that point. Maybe even your best game to date. But the endings hold a lot of weight, so you can't really blame anyone.

[infalible]

I shall rage at you all about disregarding the 40,000 poll.

In most other statistical studies representation for millions is done using a sample size of a few thousand because it is, near every single time, more than accurate in its indications. So 40,000 people saying they dislike the game's ending is more than enough to draw representative data for the 2,000,000 people that purchased Mass Effect 3.

[Vasarkian]

Amikae wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

Everyone, that speaks negatively of the game's endings also acknowledges, that the game is awesome up to that point. Maybe even your best game to date. But the endings hold a lot of weight, so you can't really blame anyone.

The assets not being valued or included or really factored in any significant way prevents replay when you realize nothing you do matters.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Stanley Woo wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

That just answered a lot of questions.

[SilentWolfie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

Mr Woo,



What the video describes is how people perceive experiencing a certain event and how one will remember it. Yes, 99.9% of the game experience is wonderful, but 0.1% of it is all people will remember. People will only be talking about how and why ME 3 failed so much. This is history for me and probably many others for me, to be so invested in a game, and denying such an ending.

To disregard this event or thinking that 99.9 % great experience will triumph a 0.1% bad memory is wrong. Human minds do not work this way.

Modifié par SilentWolfie, 15 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[Syrellaris]

Vasarkian wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

I've talked to other Mass Effect fans that have chosen NOT to buy 3 because they've heard the ending sucks.  Regardless of where the true majority sits, word-of-mouth can--and in this case, possibly will--cost sales.

that's unfortunate since they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending. I often wish the internet did not have an "all or nothing" "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to evaluating things. It really prevents us from having more discussions like this.

No offense, but when you refer to "popular accounts", please understand that those who look into these things don't actually believe any of the "popular" review sites because they've all had skeletons in the closet about being paid off for reviews or have been proven to review things inaccurately.

I don't see any all or nothing or us vs them, but you don't seem very understanding or agreeable.

The only one that did that was IGN and for some reason the internet gaming community went as far as labeling it on every major review magazine, website or otherwise associated with it.

It was blown out of proportion sadly. However, Word of Mouth is still the best advertisement a game can have and thus word of mouth review by people that played it and you know are in most cases better.

[addiction21]

Stanley Woo wrote...

We always listen and consider what our community has to say. We have been listening the entire time. That does NOT mean, however, that we are obligated to respond, to agree with you, or to develop the game to please you.

We have a lot of people giving us feedback, and due to the diverse nature of our fanbase and community, there are a lot of different opinions and suggestions floating around, and some of it will be contradictory. I encourage all those giving us feedback to consider that the game has only been out a short time and that it does take time to consider all the feedback coming at us. Thank you all for your enthusiasm and support (and criticism).

Fix it now or lose me forever!!!!

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Syrellaris wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

Thank you, but while they may be an indication of something, they are based on a self-selecting sample of a specific minority of our total player base. Specifically, the ones who feel the strongest about the situation and seek out ways to make their displeasure known. So yes, they are useful in gauging how our community feels, but no, not necessarily as "proof" of how the general public feels.

Thank you! I am glad you are not listening to them. To me the endings make perfect sense and I do not wish to see them changed! Thankfully bioware knows it is only the minority acting up.

you might want to look up what minority means - 90% of 42,000 did no tlike the endings and 7% did not like on aspect of the endings - so 3% of 42,00 people liked the endings...

the game sold almost 2 million times. Taking into account that is
perhaps around 1.8 million unique players, the 40K is nothing but a
minority.

You clearly don't understand statistics. Enjoy your stay all the same.

[Stanley Woo]

Syrellaris wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Idiotking wrote...

Mr. Woo, I just ask that you keep in mind the polls that are floating around this site.  They show that it really is a majority of people who do not like the endings.

Thank you, but while they may be an indication of something, they are based on a self-selecting sample of a specific minority of our total player base. Specifically, the ones who feel the strongest about the situation and seek out ways to make their displeasure known. So yes, they are useful in gauging how our community feels, but no, not necessarily as "proof" of how the general public feels.

Thank you! I am glad you are not listening to them. To me the endings make perfect sense and I do not wish to see them changed! Thankfully bioware knows it is only the minority acting up.

I didn't say we weren't listening to them, nor did I imply it. Even if they are "only the minority," they are still part of our fanbase (and our community) and they have still provided feedback.