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[aznguyen316]

Tielis, see my post right above yours. I play WoW and character movement is almost exactly like Wow (hell most character button mapping is like Wow's default in this game I noticed). The only difference is no panning with left click, but uses right click hold to pan while running w/ "w" or standing still.. the other option missing that I'd like is an auto-run =) oh how I miss middle clicking and just steering w/ right click down.



I was pleasantly surprised how the game handled since I'm a big WoW player and it was nearly exact transition.

[allothernamesweretaken]

WabeWalker wrote...

It's a constant struggle just to keep the camera facing in the right direction.

You click on the ground ahead of you and the camera takes control and swivels around so that it's facing directly behind your character. Okay, but now the camera has been screwed up, so you have to readjust it so that it's facing in the direction in which you want it to face. If you want to click on an area directly in front of you it's difficult to do because your character is kind of blocking the way.

Only does that if you don't zoom out, genius

[Tielis]

Thank you! No autorun? I'll prepare some ice for my wrist, then.

[Syrellaris]

I doubt the camera will be an issue, considering it is fully customizable, the fact you are ignoring these facts, shows to me what type of gamer you are. So these flood of posts will either be you and your friends or simply a few who truly do not like the camera all that much

[aznguyen316]

Tielis wrote...

Thank you! No autorun? I'll prepare some ice for my wrist, then.

yeah I really feel like auto-run could have been implemented rather easily and would not have taken away from anything... oh well, that's what mods are for I guess

[th3warr1or]

Khalek1 wrote...

If I remember correctly, KOTOR used the same type of camera setting and you couldnt click on the ground to make you character move to that position. So i would say its a standard BioWare thing. Also, neverwinter nights 2 wasn't made by BioWare it was Obsidian

You've got a pretty hot female avatar.

[WabeWalker]

aznguyen316 wrote...

you can toggle character running or walking.. default is numpad/

Okay, for the 50'th time now - that doesn't work.

Yes, that works for those people who want to steer their character around (as though they're playing some kind of first person shooter or something). But I don't want to do that. I want to move my character by right clicking on the ground. That's all I want to do. Just right click on the ground. 

The way it's setup the character will always run. There's no toggle for this. 

And for those of you telling me to start messing around with .ini files in order to get the camera to zoom in closer... uh yeah, right. I didn't realize that I was going to have to be a low-level programmer in order for basic camera functions to work properly in this game.

Seriously, it's my job to be tinkering about with .ini files. 

[bodines1]

I watched quite a bit of wardens quest, and none of them had any of the camera issues you all seem to be having. Are you sure you don't just have the camera set to "driving" mode?

[Ub3r_]

auto-run is "/" on the numpad, sheesh, so much BS floating around

[Ub3r_]

auto-run is "/" on the numpad, sheesh, so much BS floating around

[WabeWalker]

I agree.



There's a lot of BS floating around.

[LordGarm]

Too bad you're having trouble enjoying the game but after reading all your posts in this thread I'm almost certain 99% of the people playing the game won't care for the walking/running dilemma or the inabilitily to do an extreme zoom in.

[Alienraptor]

I actually have a question for the OP:



If you pull the camera all the way back (so it assumes a quasi-isometric view), is it still tethered to your selected character (like NWN) or is it free-panning (like BG)?



It sounds like there are some frustrating limitations to the camera controls for players who are very particular about the feel of the game, which I think is a legitimate complaint. Unfortunately, the OP also hasn't done the greatest job expressing these concerns; many of the posts were confusingly worded and I got a feeling of great impatience, which is never helpful.

[Aapheus]

Umm, for all of you citing to te manual, where are you reading the game manual?

[Wolfheze]

WabeWalker wrote...

And guess what - you can't zoom the camera right in on your character. The camera stops way before you get a close up of your character's face.

This is SO disappointing. Why bother having such an elaborate character creation utility when you can't even zoom in on your character! It's even worse than Mass Effect. You feel like you're about ten miles away from your character?

And seriously, you guys actually prefer this? Wow. I sure don't. All the charm of being able to zoom right in and swivel the camera around on my character as my character walks up the street is gone. This feels EXACTLY like Jade Empire. I feel like I'm playing an action game here?

And yes is the PC.

Huge, huge, disappointment.

What are you talking about? I've played Mass Effect for the PC, you can get right up on the PC's face, infact I did it after making my first character because I wanted to check out his scar and everything. Also, if you are playing the PC version of DA:O I highly doubt that they have 0 camera control, no zoom, etc. But whatever, I'm not here to argue, just my two cents while I wait for the game in the mail .

[DPB]

Alienraptor wrote...

If you pull the camera all the way back (so it assumes a quasi-isometric view), is it still tethered to your selected character (like NWN) or is it free-panning (like BG)?

I don't have it yet, but it detaches from the character at the highest zoom level. Quote from the manual:

To zoom the camera, scroll with your mouse-wheel. When the camera is fully zoomed out, you can pan across the battlefield using the arrow keys, by clicking the mouse wheel and dragging, or simply by nudging the edge of the screen.

Aapheus wrote...

Umm, for all of you citing to te manual, where are you reading the game manual?

Here.

[Amaron]

The OP is totally confusing everyone.



tl;dr version: Camera is great and everyone who thought NWN2 camera failed hard will love this.



1) The camera does not rotate on it's own unless you are in 3rd person view. If you zoom out properly the camera stays fixed just like you'd expect.

2) Zoomed out the camera is free panning like BG2 (though you can't just pan all over the map sadly).

3) You can zoom in plenty close. Zooming in any closer is pointless for anything but screen shots.

4) No you can not walk and use click to move. The game determines how fast you'll run based on how far away you click. You can walk with wasd but that's it really. 99.9999999% of people who play the game will not care one lick about walking anyways.

[PorcelynDoll]

So you have to use the keyboard to control the camera? You can't zoom with the wheel or turn with right button?

[Kiddeth]

I set the Camera in NW2 up just like it is in WoW and played it like an MMORPG worked flawless.



hopefully be able to do the same here.

[simpatikool]

All I got out of this thread is some wack job actually liked the NWM2 camera? Am I reading this right?

[The Dead Milkman]

WabeWalker wrote...

Okay, how many of us are coming from Neverwinter Nights 2 - well, you know how many camera options they gave us there. A lot. Here, there are virtually none at all. 

This feels like Jade Empire. 

You end up steering your character from point A to point B. In Nevewinter Nights 2 I would click on the ground and then pan the camera around my character as my character moved. Nope - can't do that in this game. You have to stare at your character's ass the whole time.

And guess what - as far as I can tell, you can't click on the ground and walk your character there. Your character will always run. Wow, just kills the atmosphere. Yes, there's a run/walk toggle for steering your character, but again, I can't stand steering my character - you just end up staring at your character's ass the whole time.

So is this what we have to put up with because the game was made for consoles. Wow. This is hugely, hugely disappointing. To learn that the camera is far more Jade Empire than Neverwinter 2 - just wow.

People are going to be complaining about this for months to come. 

This idiot is obviously on the console version and din't bother to do any research at all before buying. Anyone complaining about this deserves to suffer because they are too stupid to know what they're getting into. I don't remember the camera in ME,or JE or either KOTOR being a problem. Loved them all. I'm not an idiot so I know console version has different UI than PC. so there's that.

[DPB]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

So you have to use the keyboard to control the camera? You can't zoom with the wheel or turn with right button?

No.

To zoom the camera, scroll with your mouse-wheel. When the camera is fully zoomed out, you can pan across the battlefield using the arrow keys, by clicking the mouse wheel and dragging, or simply by nudging the edge of the screen. At any zoom level, clicking the right mouse button and dragging rotates the camera.

[Monolithic0117]

Don't feed the thread, guys. The OP has obviously made his mind, and pointless posts calling him an idiot and saying he's wrong aren't going to change anything. Let this thread be buried away silently.

[burner087]

WabeWalker wrote...

aznguyen316 wrote...

you can toggle character running or walking.. default is numpad/

Okay, for the 50'th time now - that doesn't work.

Yes, that works for those people who want to steer their character around (as though they're playing some kind of first person shooter or something). But I don't want to do that. I want to move my character by right clicking on the ground. That's all I want to do. Just right click on the ground. 

The way it's setup the character will always run. There's no toggle for this. 

And for those of you telling me to start messing around with .ini files in order to get the camera to zoom in closer... uh yeah, right. I didn't realize that I was going to have to be a low-level programmer in order for basic camera functions to work properly in this game.

Seriously, it's my job to be tinkering about with .ini files. 

He doesn't like it.  it is an epic fail.  Everyone that has installed it, please uninstall and return the game to Bioware.

Seriously, sorry you don't like it.  Most everyone I have heard talk about the game likes it.  Bioware couldn't please everyone and you just happen to be one of the few that aren't pleased.  Back to NWN2 i guess.  Enjoy.

OR.. you can keep playing and find that you can work with it.  Then enjoy the game.

[Slimcharles]

I got the game and I agree, the camera is AWFUL.



Strong console port.