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[Olem]

Whenever I see threads like this I feel like throwing up. :c

[WazTheMagnificent]

I only want them to add one thing to the ending, one ****ing thing: The ability to tell the starchild to go **** himself. I'd rather let the cycle continue than serve his flawed ideals.

Well okay, it would be nice to see some of the plot holes fixed too.

Modifié par WazTheMagnificent, 16 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[agathokakological]

 OP needs to wake up.

[Delpinolikespotatoes]

They won't see anymore of my money, that for sure.

[rinoe]

Read carefully, he want the same as we are, but, he want more:))) Not just the ending patched , but entire new Shepard story...

But it will not work. Nobody will belive in promises anymore, if the ending of ME3 stays like it is. It will be damn hard to sell....

[FoxShadowblade]

I can understand liking the endings.. But telling BioWare to not put out ending DLC(because it will be dlc, not a patch) when the majoRitywants it seems like such a douche move...

[joiner87]

if we stop posting here it will fall out of evetyones view (and mind)

[ssyyllaarr]

the 5% can complain all they want about us, fact of the matter is we have risen above that sentiment and made a logical point as to why Bioware absolutely should DLC alternate endings, or go with this indoctrination theory, and went about it in a mature manner. For example the charity drive. Now there not all doing this, but most of the 5% is firing at us with meaningless insults and illogical arguments that prove nothing but how much they fail to understand. Im sure Bioware is fully aware that over 90% of the fan base on here is in agreement over this matter, so people like the OP pose no threat too us. Ignore it. @RetakeMassEffect3 - We will hold the line.

[Vorlon010]

It does seems odd to me that while the vast majority of people I've seen complaining about the ending have done so in a cool, collected, mature fashion, on the flipside most of the people opposed to changing it have ranted, thrown insults and whined like spoiled schoolchildren.

Me, I just want an answer from Bioware yea or nay, so I know how to address the ending and my future buying plans. I think they'd be dumb *not* to make an ending DLC, especially given how many of us have turned around and said we'd pay for it.

Line, hold, you know the rest.

Modifié par Vorlon010, 16 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Preorder cancelled!!

[TobiTobsen]

Xusa wrote...

There are 16 different endings, even if all of them have the same feel to them.

Could you tell me what other endings you have found?

Even if I'm generous I only see six different endings.

www.youtube.com/watch

Where are the other ten? Do you take the non-standard game overs into account?

I'm serious. I really want to understand where people see 16 endings, Casey's PR speeches excluded.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 16 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[magnuskn]

Liquoid wrote...

We should start a petition and raise money for charity! Demand that Bioware NOT change the ending!

That would be amusing, if only to see how hard it would fail, compared to the "Better Endings" charity.

[nikola8]

It's not about whether there should be new endings or not. It is about creative integrity. This is Bioware's work. It is their project. For those who claim that the group who wants to change Mass Effect 3's ending has been acting in a mature way, they haven't read the actual petitions that are swarming the internet. I read the petitions and I am floored at the audacity. All over them they use the phrases "we demand" and "we request." What ever happened to "we ask"?

The debate about the actual endings is a very subjective one. However, there is a side debate brewing, and that is the question of creative liberty and license. For example, it aesthetically bothers me that the Mona Lisa doesn't have eyebrows. But I'm not petitioning the Louvre to go draw them on. In the same way, we need to accept that, although we may or may not agree with the ending, we must still accept it as canon. Our created Shepards operate in a world with restraints, and those restraints are put on us by the creators of the game. It is therefore not our place to demand new endings; we need to accept that this is still Bioware's work. If the endings had been different and if a different group had hated the different ending, they would be wrong to demand that ending be changed. In essence, it doesn't matter what the ending is, it is not our place to demand a new one. It is within our rights to hate the game, to not buy new products from Bioware, etc., but when we feel so entitled that we demand that the game be changed, we have crossed a line. If the endings are changed, the creative integrity of the product is forever tarnished. Therefore, whether or not you like the ending, the idea of changing the ending should be appalling on the principle of artistic integrity.

[Tamcia]

It's not like BW games are about choice....oh wait. Yup, it's totally OK for you to like the ending, but others can't even get an OPTION of choice to get what they want? Hypocrite.

[Element Zero]

I thought about starting a new thread entitled: "Bioware: Do Not Listen to Xusa". Then I realized that would be unnecessary, since Xusa's voice will be lost in the overwhelming call of the thousands who want better endings.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 16 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[LucidStrike]

nikola8 wrote...

The idea of changing the ending should be appalling on the principle of artistic integrity.

Artistic integrity? Mass Effect 3 is a commodity. Is it art? Yes, but it is COMMISIONED art, and when patrons are not satisfied with commissioned art, it's expected that they'll complain.

At the end of the day, it's up to BioWare.

They can pretend the concept of artistic integrity is fully applicable to COMMISSIONED art and probably garner a bad reputation for ruining the best sci-fi IP yet, lose a lot of money...and please...you.

They could also change the ending, so that they don't depress their fans, probably BETTER their reputation by responding to fan feedback involving fans more directly in development process, and make more money.

Also, consider that maybe they actually do care what their fans think of their work. In that case, they probably genuinely want to know what we didn't like. Never heard of constructive criticism or feedback?

Modifié par LucidStrike, 16 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[Grimsaw]

Not to be a contrarian, but can't an artist(s) make a mistake? I mean, as much as I agree with everyone's complaints about the ending and as much as I'd like it fixed, I'm worried that this will set a very bad precedent.

To me this is bigger deal than Broken Steel. I just think if this is the ending they wanted to tell then: Boooo Bioware, but it is their story. I would hate to start thinking of my video games as a "consumer product" even though I guess really when you get down to it, thats what they are.


* Side note: I'm really impressed with the level of maturity this thing has played out. +1 internet!

Modifié par Grimsaw, 16 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[DiegoProgMetal]

I'm glad you enjoyed the ending. You probably had a great time playing it like (mostly) all of us had. But, unlike us, you enjoyed how it ended. So why would I "throw stones" at you? You're free to give your opinion, or at least I hope in your country you are free to have one.
I disagree with you. Just that.

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 16 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[Nu-Nu]

nikola8 wrote...

It's not about whether there should be new endings or not. It is about creative integrity. This is Bioware's work. It is their project.

I seriously doubt Bioware even had full control over their creativity. EA buisnessmen in suits who aren't trained in anything creative will stick their nose in and interfere with the creative process. No creative group who works for a corporate business which is all about making money will ever have full control over their creativity. No, such thing as creative integrity when it comes to ruthless buisnesses.

Since Bioware usually has a great track record, I can only assume EA stuck their nose in the ending.

This link is for web design, but can be used across all creative fields - theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

[P47 ace]

This was suppost to be the last game with shepherd in it, there needs to be closure not this crap deus ex machina, Lost-ish ending that raised more questions than it answered, was full of logic and plot-holes. And was just dam bleak, and frustrating.

All my sheperds where suppost to end up with their LI's living happy together

Conner Shepherd and laira, with little blue children, running around on some planet.
Daylin Shepherd and Tali living happily in a house on Rannoch
Layla Shepherd and Kadein living in together little biotic children on a colony
Crystal Shepherd and Garrus roming the stars fighting greed corruption and injustice in far off places.

These are my Sheperds, My choices, My lives and I get nothing from the current ending but what I and many other have listed.

[Moirai]

nikola8 wrote...

It's not about whether there should be new endings or not. It is about creative integrity. This is Bioware's work. It is their project. For those who claim that the group who wants to change Mass Effect 3's ending has been acting in a mature way, they haven't read the actual petitions that are swarming the internet. I read the petitions and I am floored at the audacity. All over them they use the phrases "we demand" and "we request." What ever happened to "we ask"?

The debate about the actual endings is a very subjective one. However, there is a side debate brewing, and that is the question of creative liberty and license. For example, it aesthetically bothers me that the Mona Lisa doesn't have eyebrows. But I'm not petitioning the Louvre to go draw them on. In the same way, we need to accept that, although we may or may not agree with the ending, we must still accept it as canon. Our created Shepards operate in a world with restraints, and those restraints are put on us by the creators of the game. It is therefore not our place to demand new endings; we need to accept that this is still Bioware's work. If the endings had been different and if a different group had hated the different ending, they would be wrong to demand that ending be changed. In essence, it doesn't matter what the ending is, it is not our place to demand a new one. It is within our rights to hate the game, to not buy new products from Bioware, etc., but when we feel so entitled that we demand that the game be changed, we have crossed a line. If the endings are changed, the creative integrity of the product is forever tarnished. Therefore, whether or not you like the ending, the idea of changing the ending should be appalling on the principle of artistic integrity.

I respect your viewpoint. But I will just add something here, that I've said elsewhere, that I feel gets overlooked with us seeing ourselves as fans, and the game as a piece of art:

For a large number of people the endings were nothing more than badly thought out illogical nonsense which posed more questions than they really answered, which is in complete deference to what Casey Hudson stated very recently that they would be.

The game is simply a commercial product - that should not be overlooked - and we are paying customers. We were, in part, mis-sold that product based on erroneous information. On that basis, as with any product we've paid for, we are perfectly within our rights to complain if it doesn't do what we were told it would do.

We are not viewing a piece of artwork in a gallery. We're buying it. And once bought, it becomes a product like any other purchasable item. If we feel dissatisfied with our purchase, we are, as with any comsumer product, entitled to complain about it to the manufacturer.

Modifié par Moirai, 16 mars 2012 - 08:14 .

[Jack_Forest]

nikola8 wrote...

It's not about whether there should be new endings or not. It is about creative integrity.  

I think you are missing the point - the ending itself ruins the integrity of the work.

[Benrosan]

Or maybe the ending is not the ending at all...Maybe our demands for (or against a change) are not relevant in the first place....

[tfKR3W]

 patch it 

[Xusa]

tallrickruush wrote...

I thought about starting a new thread entitled: "Bioware: Do Not Listen to Xusa". Then I realized that would be unnecessary, since Xusa's voice will be lost in the overwhelming call of the thousands who want better endings.

After this post I'm starting to feel I'm important. Please stop the flatter.

I stopped coming here because I've already made my point a few times and people just come here to post something that has already been said many times (like: "oh, I hate OP" "OP you fail" "OP I'm throwing up.. AT YOUR MOM!" "You're wrong because bla bla bla we're right (+ long explanation)")

I'm not here to tell right from wrong, I'm here to tell that BioWare has the right to do anything they want, and I hope they do so, because the only storywise feedback I remember BioWare followed sucked. And that was Homossexual interest possibility (no, I'm not homophobian, I just don't like when I'm being nice to someone and than just OH, ****, I JUST GOT ******).

Now you can continue to flatter me.