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[Brownfinger]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Enough with the "entitlement" crap. No, just, no. Paying customers are allowed to voice their opinions, particularly if they felt the company led them astray, It's no different than anyone else selling a product.

You do have the right to voice your opinion. But you do not have the right to demand them change their story. And yes, most of the "resistance" is acting like entitled children.

They're not entitled. All the PR nonsense led to this. Many promised were made over the course of the development and the end result wasn't what was promised. There's an agreement between writer and reader and that was pretty much thrown out the window.

Show me where you were promised the ending tailored to your specific desires, or even one that guaranteed your ideal fairy tale ending, and I will never criticize another uncompromising angst dispenser ever again.
Pretty please?

Modifié par Brownfinger, 15 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Aldandil wrote...

Fans' reactions to the endings prove that video games are not art, at least not in the eyes of most consumers.
If I buy a pair of shoes that fail to live up to the quality promised, the shoemaker owes me some form of compensation. If I read a book and dislike the story, the author owes me nothing. Apparently, video games are more similar to the former than the latter.

I would say it entirely depends on the title. Something like Katamari Damacy certianly wasn't made with profit in mind. It was one man's vision. Nothing similar had been made before, he had no market in mind. Now, certianly its sequels delved into the realm of shameless milking but the first one will always stand as a great and unique idea. There are games that are made for the sole joy of making them, like Flower. Then there are companies that shamelessly pump out series with DLC. Now, I'm not saying the developers of Mass Effect didn't enjoy making their titles but we're kidding ourselves if they were doing it for only that. Every game was altered to pander to a larger audience and they had a marketing budget that could feed a few African countries.

[kaisterbahn]

I wonder if this guy is familiar with the term 'strawman'. He certainly uses it a lot.

[Brownfinger]

kaisterbahn wrote...

Only in the mind of a blind contrarian is it 'entitlement' to get something you paid for.

You paid for the finale to a trilogy, that's what you received. Outside of the ending, did you not enjoy it?
Because if not, Bioware games probably aren't for you.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

http://social.biowar...5/index/9735242

I'll find more if you need them.

[HenchxNarf]

Brownfinger wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

Only in the mind of a blind contrarian is it 'entitlement' to get something you paid for.

You paid for the finale to a trilogy, that's what you received. Outside of the ending, did you not enjoy it?
Because if not, Bioware games probably aren't for you.

I think you're my new favorite person. And I agree with this.

[kaisterbahn]

Brownfinger wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

Only in the mind of a blind contrarian is it 'entitlement' to get something you paid for.

You paid for the finale to a trilogy, that's what you received. Outside of the ending, did you not enjoy it?
Because if not, Bioware games probably aren't for you.

Wrong, I paid for what was advertised, which was closure to the saga. That is not what was rendered.

[kaisterbahn]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

http://social.biowar...5/index/9735242

I'll find more if you need them.

Didn't your mother tell you not to play with matches around strawmen?

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

It gave about as much closure as Dr. Stiles suturing a wound while the sylus is up my nose.

[HenchxNarf]

kaisterbahn wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

Only in the mind of a blind contrarian is it 'entitlement' to get something you paid for.

You paid for the finale to a trilogy, that's what you received. Outside of the ending, did you not enjoy it?
Because if not, Bioware games probably aren't for you.

Wrong, I paid for what was advertised, which was closure to the saga. That is not what was rendered.

Not getting closure and not understanding what you were given are two different things. We were given an ending that provided closure, it's just that you didn't understand it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Then perhaps you can explain it to those of us who clearly couldn't grasp what we witnessed.

[kaisterbahn]

HenchxNarf wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

Only in the mind of a blind contrarian is it 'entitlement' to get something you paid for.

You paid for the finale to a trilogy, that's what you received. Outside of the ending, did you not enjoy it?
Because if not, Bioware games probably aren't for you.

Wrong, I paid for what was advertised, which was closure to the saga. That is not what was rendered.

Not getting closure and not understanding what you were given are two different things. We were given an ending that provided closure, it's just that you didn't understand it.

Again, wrong. And demonstrably so, in pretty much any spoiler thread. There is hardly any closure even if you take the endings purely at face value, which you might if you read at a elementary school level.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Seriously, Bioware and EA will never acknowledge what they have done. Perhaps there's truth in Hudson's interview that the endings were made to polarize people's view and encourage more interest and debate about the game.

This could be a new beginning for the Mass Effect franchise. Now that Shepard story has come to an end, Bioware can ultimately do spin-offs and probably expand further where it left off.

Bioware might concentrate on bringing to life the "First Contact War" where the Turians and the Humans fought each other or tell the story about the Geth uprising against the Quarians.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

There's already a great idea going around with Garrus and Wrex in a "buddy cop" scenario.

[Stofsk]

Aldandil wrote...

Fans' reactions to the endings prove that video games are not art, at least not in the eyes of most consumers.
If I buy a pair of shoes that fail to live up to the quality promised, the shoemaker owes me some form of compensation. If I read a book and dislike the story, the author owes me nothing. Apparently, video games are more similar to the former than the latter.

Nonsense. Art is criticised all the time. Your argument is unsound and draws a false comparison between your analogies.

[Brownfinger]

kaisterbahn wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

http://social.biowar...5/index/9735242

I'll find more if you need them.

Didn't your mother tell you not to play with matches around strawmen?

For all your trolling and snide remarks and derpy "facts is facts" statements that you've casually farted out, you've yet to present anything that vaguely resembled an intelligent argument. At least Melfina is trying.

And please Melfina, find more. Applicable ones this time, please. Because "bespoke" is a critical term, and while the cutscenes were identical, their future implications were not.
And maybe that's not good enough, for you. Maybe they'll tack on some DLC to quell the firestorms of red-faced people thundering away at their keyboards. I wouldn't mind that, I'm sure you'd be quite pleased with more finality.

The whole point of this thread is not that they show you holding hands with Garrus while you pick out ikea chairs together, the point is feeling like you deserve an apology because you hated ten minutes of an otherwise enjoyable 150+ hour story is mind-bogglingly asinine.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 15 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Brownfinger]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

Only in the mind of a blind contrarian is it 'entitlement' to get something you paid for.

You paid for the finale to a trilogy, that's what you received. Outside of the ending, did you not enjoy it?
Because if not, Bioware games probably aren't for you.

I think you're my new favorite person. And I agree with this.

<3
We should go out for ice cream, some time.

[Impulse and Compulse]

Bioware shouldn't apologize for making a monumentally, landmark, concreted in time terrible ending.

They should apologize for hyping us to make us think it would be otherwise, and then turning around and having the stones to try and justify their choice to the vast majority of angry fans.

This has got to be one of the rockiest starts for such an otherwise great game.

Face import problems? I guess I'll try and copy the face code-oh wait, it doesn't show in ME2 if you used an ME1 appearance. I guess I'll recreated it. There, that doesn't look so bad.

Oh, Day 1 DLC? No worries, I preordered from Target to get one of the last collector's editions. What's this? The squadmate in their entirety is already on the disk, and we're supposed to believe that the 600mb download somehow had more content than the new weapon and incredibly short mission? That's pretty sneaky, Bioware.

But at least I'm at the end. Everything, both in and outside the game hypes this; surely this must be the part they put the most work into, right? No way they would dare risk messing this up.

Right?

.....right?

.....ri-......wat.

Wat.

Wat?

What?

How the-

.........

If "The Truth" doesn't become reality, I'm not paying for another damn Bioware game for a while.

[thatdude90210]

The only one who deserve an apology are the color blind people.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Why does everyone assume it's because the endings weren't happy is the reason people are upset? It is for some, true, but not all. A lot of us can't take the nonsense that is shoved down our gullet in the last ten minutes considering the events that it took to get there. Not only in the third game but the installments that came before.

[Sentr0]

"Certainly it’s a very polished experience. In the story it starts at a time with a very singular focus and purpose in the galaxy. You could say the previous games were just a preamble to this moment. Everything has been building to this. It’s like the Superbowl. Who cares what happened in the regular season? Now’s the one that matters.“Fans want a definitive end. They’ll be the judge of that ultimately when they play it and see how we do that. Certainly, what this game absolutely does represent is the culmination of almost a decade’s worth of work for the studio and for Casey [Hudson] and his team in terms of exactly what we’re trying to do with the game we kicked off almost ten years ago. “They’re working really hard to make it a real proper conclusion, something that’s fitting to what they’ve worked on for so long, and what the fans are telling us they’re dying to see. - Aaron Flynn"

lol at this... so terribad