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[Harbinger of Hope]

Zolt51 wrote...

Except you actually want to purchase their games. You just want them to give you a reason to. Or an excuse to.

Please don't try and speak for me. If they do not fix these horrible endings I will not buy their games. I will not WANT to buy their games. Period. End of story.

[HKR148]

kato42 wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

Free DLC or not, if that's the case then Bioware should still be criticized for failing to notify the customers that their product isn't finished and still releasing it. Personally in every scenario I can possibly imagine, Bioware have created a very messy situation where no matter what happens, they are in for a loss.

Agred, I think they were far too 'clever' for their own good and they are going to take a hit on this one.  The longer they stall an announcement, the worse it gets.

It is quite astonishing to witness the collection of intelligent people getting absolutely dumbed down by the group-mindedness. Take NASA and their debacle with the space shuttle tragedy as a case, collection of nation's most brilliant people in a single institution, failing to even seriously consider what kind of damage the falling debree hitting the wing would've done to the shuttle that even an average physicists will point out and say "my god that looked serious". It's quite interesting.

[HKR148]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Except you actually want to purchase their games. You just want them to give you a reason to. Or an excuse to.

Please don't try and speak for me. If they do not fix these horrible endings I will not buy their games. I will not WANT to buy their games. Period. End of story.

Making assumption about what other individual may do is usually taking the road of insult, and over-generalization. Like what HoH said, base your opinion purely about yourself. For myself, I've done it with Maxis, Activision and EA Sports products; I see no reason why I cannot with Bioware's product.

Modifié par HKR148, 15 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[DeadLetterBox]

Thrawn777 wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

Thrawn777 wrote...

Here's the thing. If this whole thing is actually a false ending (the indoctrination theory), and they have free dlc planned to finish the story, then the whole thing is moot.  They will have provided an awesome experience, and in fact I will applaud them for having the balls to stick to their guns and remain silent in the face of all this furor.  However, if this is how they intended to end the game, then they broke serveral promises made about this product, and have shown that they don't give two s***s about me.

Free DLC or not, if that's the case then Bioware should still be criticized for failing to notify the customers that their product isn't finished and still releasing it. Personally in every scenario I can possibly imagine, Bioware have created a very messy situation where no matter what happens, they are in for a loss.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I thought it was a smart strategy that they're taking, simply that I would admire them sticking to their plan in the face of what's going on. That would be major dedication, especially considering they're a business being hit in the bottom line.

If this is so I would admire their resolve.  But it would be a crappy plan.  Not sure sticking to a crappy plan is admirable for much more than resolve.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

recentio wrote...

It's not a threat. It's the terms of business.

[HKR148]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Thrawn777 wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

Thrawn777 wrote...

Here's the thing. If this whole thing is actually a false ending (the indoctrination theory), and they have free dlc planned to finish the story, then the whole thing is moot.  They will have provided an awesome experience, and in fact I will applaud them for having the balls to stick to their guns and remain silent in the face of all this furor.  However, if this is how they intended to end the game, then they broke serveral promises made about this product, and have shown that they don't give two s***s about me.

Free DLC or not, if that's the case then Bioware should still be criticized for failing to notify the customers that their product isn't finished and still releasing it. Personally in every scenario I can possibly imagine, Bioware have created a very messy situation where no matter what happens, they are in for a loss.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I thought it was a smart strategy that they're taking, simply that I would admire them sticking to their plan in the face of what's going on. That would be major dedication, especially considering they're a business being hit in the bottom line.

If this is so I would admire their resolve.  But it would be a crappy plan.  Not sure sticking to a crappy plan is admirable for much more than resolve.

Well, somebody's gotta try the 'crappy' plan to show the world that 'crappy' plan doesn't work I suppose. Can't say much for whether the amount of time/effort/money they've invested was worth it on that.. regard however.

[TheRisenStar]

A threat vs a fact.

I had this conversation with a Netflix "fan" over my canceling their service last fall after they increased prices 100% and cut their service while offering less and less.

Call it what you want, threat, promise, fact... doesn't matter - Consumers have the right to voice their concerns with a product to the producer and can follow through with it if they please.

Even attempting to challenge this is a fundamental misunderstanding of your role as a consumer.

I run a small busness. If I hose up a project for a client, I expect to get called on it. And they can expect that I'll fix it. If I don't, I deserve to lose their business and if I do it frequently enough (or my mistake is that catastrophic) then I deserve to lose my business.

[magnuskn]

I'm just stating a fact. If BioWare doesn't fix this, I am going to fix my money flow towards them to zero. I'm not acting differently in that regard than millions of disgruntled costumers do every day in the whole world.

If BioWare thinks that they can get away with taking a dump on their costumers, then I got to do my damned best to remind them that this river doesn't only flow in one direction. We give you *our* money, because your product satisfies *us*. If it doesn't, you don't earn ( as much ) money anymore. Where that gets you within EA is well known from other absorbed companies.

[Jadebaby]

I swear this is like trying to light a match in a deep dark wind tunnel.

Conclusion: Never ****** off a pessimist.

[Tony208]

If they have nothing to lose, then they have no reason to do anything. You vote with your money, this is how capitalism works.

And gamers have been treated as second class citizens for way too long.

[Kloborgg711]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I swear this is like trying to light a match in a deep dark wind tunnel.

Conclusion: Never ****** off a pessimist.

This has nothing to do with the chances of whether or not Bioware actually fixes their endings. This is just us saying what will happen if they don't. I'm as hopeful as anyone else, believe me.

[suusuuu]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I swear this is like trying to light a match in a deep dark wind tunnel.

Conclusion: Never ****** off a pessimist.

This has nothing to do with the chances of whether or not Bioware actually fixes their endings. This is just us saying what will happen if they don't. I'm as hopeful as anyone else, believe me.

This. 

[Jadebaby]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I swear this is like trying to light a match in a deep dark wind tunnel.

Conclusion: Never ****** off a pessimist.

This has nothing to do with the chances of whether or not Bioware actually fixes their endings. This is just us saying what will happen if they don't. I'm as hopeful as anyone else, believe me.

I'm pretty sure they know what will happen if they don't.

That's what gives me hope.

[magnuskn]

WildcardCharlie wrote...
2) It's overly hostile and does not motivate them to do anything. It instead motivates them to ignore their base community and cater even more to mainstream fans.

You are stating this as a fact, when generally corporations only respond to financial incentives and the threat of costumers withholding money. Please stop making clearly false statements of this kind, you are helping nobody on this forum.

See how that works?

[daguest]

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

This. I never threatened them of anything. Just said the ending was garbage. But the truth is, with such a bad ending, and DA2, I'm not gonna buy a BW game as I always did before, on faith only. 
You may consider this as a threat, but it's just the truth.

[sorentoft]

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

This. It is not a threat. A simple statement of what is going to happen.

[GorrilaKing]

It's called "voting with your wallet", basically the only response we, as a customer, can give that might change things, given that they are a business. I am currently warning my friends about buying the game because, great as though it may be, I want to spare them the disappointment.

[Cody211282]

What wrong with saying that we wont buy stuff from them anymore? And how is that a threat?

[magnuskn]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare defenders are the ones acting entitled here. They think that BioWare is entitled to our money.

Guess what?

They aren't.

Seriously? Did you even read a single one of my posts? I'm not defending Bioware or telling you to buy their products.

No, you are telling us to not tell them that we aren't going to be buying their products. Your asking us to keep our mouths shut.

No. I'm not.

Yes. You are. You have repeatedly done so. Maybe if that isn't what you wanted to say, you should choose your wording better, instead of assuming that all of us didn't see what we saw.

Richard Pryor: "Who are you going to believe, woman? Me, or your lying eyes!?!"

But quite honestly, your whole argument is flawed. You are assuming that BioWare will become so enraged at costumers telling them to their face that they won't buy their products anymore, that they will become even more obstinate and not do anything because of that. That is not how capitalism works!

I actually believe that BioWare, as a company, is not composed of stupid people. As such, they will not let feelings get in the way of ensuring that future paychecks will come in from us. If us protesters were only a tiny fraction of their fanbase, yes, they could safely ignore us. But from everything I have seen, it seems like the majority of the fanbase is angry.

[Baine10]

Announcing what is wrong is not wrong. It's simply the way it was announced that matters.
That is the only idea OP has. Nothing more. The problem is that he took too many words to express this simple idea.

Then again, goes to show how pointless threads are getting nowadays.

[magnuskn]

Baine10 wrote...

Announcing what is wrong is not wrong. It's simply the way it was announced that matters.
That is the only idea OP has. Nothing more. The problem is that he took too many words to express this simple idea.

Then again, goes to show how pointless threads are getting nowadays.

No, the problem is clearly that the OP is thinking that BioWare is a human being, where feelings take precedence over cold calculations of profit. The reality is that BioWare is part of a giant corporation, where money talks first and second and third. Then maybe feelings come into it, because of the human parts of said corporation.

I find the notion of us costumers being the bullies here laughable. We are individuals who are protesting in the only way possible against a giant bloated corporate entity. Which is with telling them, as loudly and publicly as possible, that we will withhold our money in the future. The only thing being threatened here is their bottom line.

People, BioWare is not your personal friend.  If you come to their home, they will politely ask you to leave. They are a company, we are their costumers. Telling them that we will not buy their product anymore if the current one isn't fixed is us giving them a second ( or third or fourth, depending on how much you liked DA2 and SWTOR ) chance.

[Deathonwheels]

One of the things that I laugh at that keeps on popping up are the words "well you are all whining about a game ending that the mainstream has no issue with", then I look at the polls and petition pages going up all around the internet - heck even some reviewers and news sites are taking notice of the major fan outrage of this misendeavor, then I realize this: the people who are standing up for ME3's ending are a minority.
Funny that.

[deathscythe517]

I really hate how basic consumer rights are now treated as being 'unreasonable' or 'threatening'.

A: Bioware is a company, not a person, quit treating it as such.

B: It is within our right to calmly state that if they don't get their act together that they'll lose us as customers, I hate how the corporate made stereotype of the unpleasable masses is now treated as fact.

C: I do not care if they go bankrupt, go under, or whatever, it's part of the natural cycle of the free market which people who try to be apologists for companies try to subvert. If a business doesn't learn, it fails, and will likely be consumed by a larger entity or split into smaller companies, end of story.

[Cody211282]

deathscythe517 wrote...

I really hate how basic consumer rights are now treated as being 'unreasonable' or 'threatening'.

A: Bioware is a company, not a person, quit treating it as such.

B: It is within our right to calmly state that if they don't get their act together that they'll lose us as customers, I hate how the corporate made stereotype of the unpleasable masses is now treated as fact.

C: I do not care if they go bankrupt, go under, or whatever, it's part of the natural cycle of the free market which people who try to be apologists for companies try to subvert. If a business doesn't learn, it fails, and will likely be consumed by a larger entity or split into smaller companies, end of story.

I honestly think that a lot of people have no idea how a free market works. Then again I don't think Bioware or EA knows what PR is ether.

[WarBaby2]

GorrilaKing wrote...

It's called "voting with your wallet", basically the only response we, as a customer, can give that might change things, given that they are a business. I am currently warning my friends about buying the game because, great as though it may be, I want to spare them the disappointment.

Exactly... that's well within our rights as customers.

Modifié par WarBaby2, 15 mars 2012 - 10:00 .