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[Aedan276]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Thankyou OP that is what I have been saying. People wanting to see the endings changed is fine. People wanting to financialy threaten bioware and financialy threaten the franchise thus threatening future content is not fine.

You don't seem to understand how capitalism works. 

Threatening termination of service is exactly what you do when you aren't satisfied with the service. 

It's how my father brokered a better deal with a cable company when they left his service off indefinitely for no reason 

Modifié par Aedan276, 15 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Dreogan]

I see no reason I should magically become interested in Bioware's next release because I said "If Bioware doesn't show me they can end a trilogy satisfactorily, there's no reason I should trust them with another." If this somehow keeps them from finishing the job I paid them for (and they promised through countless interviews) then there's absolutely no reason I should do business with them again.

And yes, I will drag as many people as I can to hell with me. I do work retail, and every single person that has asked me about ME3 has made an informed decision about their purchase.

Modifié par Dreogan, 15 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[wesr]

I haven't seen in threats. We're just pointing out the fact that they've alienated their customers, failed to deliver a product they promised, and going to lose a ton of money thanks to the mainstream press getting on the story. We have every right to point out that we're not giving them any more money just like we would any other company who has produced an inferior product.
I am horrified by the fact that  people have no interest in voicing their opinions and "rock the boat" and just sit there and take being ripped off. Is this what we've come to in this country when we let people sell us stuff that isn't up to what it was supposed to be? This is why we have lemon laws for cars.

Modifié par wesr, 15 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[SandTrout]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

So, we should just suck it up and keep throwing money at them? Even if they make horrible games from here on out?

NO. Read my posts.

There's nothing wrong with making your disappointment known. I've been doing just that all along.

Demanding things and making ultimatums is not the way to go about it. It's hostile in nature and probably makes them LESS cooperative.

You are wrong. Negotiating from a weak possition does not make a company more cooperative. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Modifié par SandTrout, 15 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Pinworm45]

They're selling a product on the free market. The only way to make your opinion heard is to voice it with your wallet. It's not a threat, it's a statement. Their product doesn't live up to the standards I require to purchase it - no different than saying I will not buy X brands hammers when they continually fall apart.

More importantly, EA and stockholders will be effected, and if they're effected, they might ask for changes, and they actually have the power to make it happen.

I'm not one of the ones making these claims, btw.:happy: I hated the ending but I will still purchase their products unless they continue to flounder.

Modifié par Pinworm45, 15 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[RShara]

KotorEffect3: I put this in your other thread, but it might be seen better here, and also answers this OP :

So no one has the right to decide not to buy a product whose manufacturer they've lost confidence in?

If you went to your favorite restaurant, ordered your favorite meal, and found a scabby bandaid inside the main course, would you blithely go back to that restaurant as often as you could and eat what was presented to you without checking first?

Edit to add:  If they refused to acknowledge the bandaid came from them, or that the bandaid is MEANT TO BE PART OF the course, would you continue frequenting that restaurant?  Would you perhaps say to the manager, "Listen, I just want you to fix it.  Otherwise I don't plan on coming back here again.  This is my favorite place.  I would rather not have to do that but I will if I must."

Modifié par RShara, 15 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[WildcardCharlie]

TheRisenStar wrote...

Is BioWare entitled to my money and patronage?

I think stating the obvious is far from a threat.

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

[Walrusninja]

It's not a threat! It's a friendly reminder of the consequences of pissing on:

A. your fanbase
B. your masterpiece

We're just THAT giving

[Ailith Tycane]

OP, no one is threatening their children or livelihoods or anything like that, don't be so melodramatic. If people want to say they aren't going to buy Bioware games anymore, then let them.

Modifié par Ailith430, 15 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[WildcardCharlie]

RShara wrote...

KotorEffect3: I put this in your other thread, but it might be seen better here, and also answers this OP :

So no one has the right to decide not to buy a product whose manufacturer they've lost confidence in?

If you went to your favorite restaurant, ordered your favorite meal, and found a scabby bandaid inside the main course, would you blithely go back to that restaurant as often as you could and eat what was presented to you without checking first?

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What
I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just
continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option
via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what
you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But
making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your
games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them
less receptive to your opinions.

[2484Stryker]

I agree. Same thing with the review bombs. Although I think most people are pretty civil about it.

[ericjdev]

I'm not buying any more of their games until they fix the ending and someone from the company calls me on the phone and apologizes to me. Somebody important.

[RShara]

Sorry, read my edit.

[ticklefist]

Not being frank with them would do nothing but create a communication break down.

[KiroKatashi]

I do not think OP understands what the word "threatening" means.

Modifié par KiroKatashi, 15 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Kloborgg711]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Thankyou OP that is what I have been saying. People wanting to see the endings changed is fine. People wanting to financialy threaten bioware and financialy threaten the franchise thus threatening future content is not fine.

I don't like a company's product. I don't buy from that company. That's not a "financial threat". The fact that you think a billion dollar corporation needs your help to defend them from scattered disgruntled fans is kind of strange. Trust me, they can handle themselves. I am not "threatening future content", but I'm stating factually that if they don't fix the endings I will not buy future Bioware RPGs. 

[GuyWithFace]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

TheRisenStar wrote...

Is BioWare entitled to my money and patronage?

I think stating the obvious is far from a threat.

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

You don't seem to understand. We're not "threatening" them. Quite the opposite, in fact: we're giving them a chance to FIX THEIR MISTAKES. We're saying "We're incredibly disappointed in this product, and many of us won't purchase from your again. However, if you do happen to correct the mistakes/parts of your product we don't like, we may reconsider."

If you see that as 'threatening' them, your life must be scary as hell.

[Chaota Vos]

Guys no more announcements that you plan on voting with your wallets please, it doesn't get us anywhere.

[Dahelia]

Ailith430 wrote...

OP, no one is threatening their children or livelihoods or anything like that, don't be so melodramatic. If people want to say they aren't going to buy Bioware games anymore, then let them.

Actually......some people are and that is what pisses me off the most. I don't care if people say(type) "I'm going to boycott your games" because most people who say that are lying through their teeth(fingers). Real threatening is getting out of control. It is like one thing goes wrong and it is time for a select few to just jump the boat and freak out.

[KotorEffect3]

Aedan276 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Thankyou OP that is what I have been saying. People wanting to see the endings changed is fine. People wanting to financialy threaten bioware and financialy threaten the franchise thus threatening future content is not fine.

You don't seem to understand how capitalism works. 

Threatening termination of service is exactly what you do when you aren't satisfied with the service. 

It's how my father brokered a better deal with a cable company when they left his service off indefinitely for no reason 

So in other words you want to threaten bioware because you didn't get your way and ruin it for those of us that still like their product.

[Elite Midget]

It isn't a threat. A Threat implies we aren't going to do something unless a concession is made. Many have outright said that Bioware isn't getting any money from them anymore. That's a statement, they're far beyond threats.


Even if they fix the ending this is my last Bioware game.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 15 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Greed1914]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

TheRisenStar wrote...

Is BioWare entitled to my money and patronage?

I think stating the obvious is far from a threat.

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

And yet, if there isn't some sort of serious financial repurcussion they might not listen.  If anything, people are letting them know in advance why future DLC sales might suffer. 

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Aedan276 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Thankyou
OP that is what I have been saying. People wanting to see the endings
changed is fine. People wanting to financialy threaten bioware and
financialy threaten the franchise thus threatening future content is not
fine.

You don't seem to understand how capitalism works. 

Threatening termination of service is exactly what you do when you aren't satisfied with the service. 

It's how my father brokered a better deal with a cable company when they left his service off indefinitely for no reason 

So
in other words you want to threaten bioware because you didn't get your
way and ruin it for those of us that still like their product.

How does it ruin anything for you, exactly?  If you're happy with the product as is, then other people's complaints don't make a difference.  If you plan on buying DLC and future games, nobody is stopping you.  It's not like Bioware will never make another game. 

Modifié par Greed1914, 15 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[suusuuu]

WildcardCharlie wrote...
painting the devs as evil money-grubbers out to crush your dreams. 

wait... they're not?!

[Everwarden]

WildcardCharlie wrote...
"I'm quitting Bioware games if you don't change the ending' 

Last I checked a consumer has every right to stop buying from a company that disappoints them.

[locsphere]

I think this is one of the most respectful forums as well as groups I have been with. I doubt there are a lot of people who would even dare convey a threat. If they are, the are in a very small number of people. That being said this thread is unnecessary!