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[WildcardCharlie]

RShara wrote...
Edit to add:  If they refused to acknowledge the bandaid came from them, or that the bandaid is MEANT TO BE PART OF the course, would you continue frequenting that restaurant?  Would you perhaps say to the manager, "Listen, I just want you to fix it.  Otherwise I don't plan on coming back here again.  This is my favorite place.  I would rather not have to do that but I will if I must."

This is not an apt comparison, because nobody is asking you to give Bioware more money, certainly not me.

All I am saying is stop saying "I'm not going to buy your games anymore" because those words do not make them more likely to give you what you want, they make them less receptive to your opinions. They are less likely to take you seriously when you say things like that.

[Aedan276]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

TheRisenStar wrote...

Is BioWare entitled to my money and patronage?

I think stating the obvious is far from a threat.

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

I'll still buy their games. 

In the Used section, for $20. 

All I am saying is stop saying "I'm not going to buy your games anymore" because those words do not make them more likely to give you what you want, they make them less receptive to your opinions. They are less likely to take you seriously when you say things like that.

I don't know. I'm committing to it because of personal disappointment though, not as part of the Retake movement. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 15 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[Turkeysock]

No one has threatened Bioware as in "I'm going to hurt/kill you" threats.

It's the "I'm waiting to see how you respond and if I don't like it you'll never see another cent from me!" threat.

Much different.

[GuyWithFace]

locsphere wrote...

I think this is one of the most respectful forums as well as groups I have been with.!

You do realize you're talking about BSN, right?

[pavi132]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I am yet another person who hates the ending. Most people here are being very civil toward the devs, and that's great. Some others continue to make threads saying "I'm quitting Bioware games if you don't change the ending' etc etc...this gets us absolutely nowhere.

In fact, it probably makes them less likely to change anything.

I'm begging you...stop making it "us vs. them" and painting the devs as evil money-grubbers out to crush your dreams.

Uhh it's our right as consumers to not purchase future products and explain to them exactly why. That comment you quoted doesn't even seem like a threat or an inflammatory statement. 

[WildcardCharlie]

Glad to see a few people get the point that I'm making, but most still seem to think that I'm telling them they should keep buying Bioware games no matter what.

[Kloborgg711]

WildcardCharlie wrote...
But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

We're making a serious request to a giant corporation. We're not coaxing a few dollars from our uncles. The heads that decide the future will not see a few "nicer" comments in BSN and suddenly decide to be nice and return. Any decision on future DLC or new "endings" will come from a business point of view. We hope Bioware sees that they stand to lose a large portion of their market if they don't respond accordinly. Voting with our money is the only leverage we have, being "nice" may help, but it's not enough by itself.

[Everwarden]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
So in other words you want to threaten bioware because you didn't get your way and ruin it for those of us that still like their product.

I don't see why someone should take your taste into account when weighing what they should and shouldn't purchase. 

[suusuuu]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So in other words you want to threaten bioware because you didn't get your way and ruin it for those of us that still like their product.

How are we ruining it for people who like it? Explain please? Does EA have a switch that makes the game explode if they don't earn enough money or something? You got it, you like it, we can't do anything with that. 

[turian_rage]

Seriously? People threatening BioWare? I swear, people like that are dragging down the movement. People like that drag down all of the movements everywhere.

[RShara]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

RShara wrote...

KotorEffect3: I put this in your other thread, but it might be seen better here, and also answers this OP :

So no one has the right to decide not to buy a product whose manufacturer they've lost confidence in?

If you went to your favorite restaurant, ordered your favorite meal, and found a scabby bandaid inside the main course, would you blithely go back to that restaurant as often as you could and eat what was presented to you without checking first?

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What
I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just
continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option
via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what
you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But
making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your
games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them
less receptive to your opinions.

But that's what we're doing?  There aren't any threats.  Perhaps there is misunderstanding in what most people are saying.

They are saying, We don't like the ending.  Please change it.  If you don't, then I will have lost confidence in your games, and will most likely not purchase any in the future.

However, that's tl;dr for the internet, so the short version is, Fix it or I won't buy any more.

[TheDove]

Oh right. Because being an angry customer and demanding something change -lessens- the chance of it happening.

Huh.

[GuyWithFace]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

All I am saying is stop saying "I'm not going to buy your games anymore" because those words do not make them more likely to give you what you want, they make them less receptive to your opinions. They are less likely to take you seriously when you say things like that.

You don't seem to understand how business works(not a personal insult, just an observation based on your posts). BIOWARE WANTS OUR MONEY. If we say "we're not gonna give you our money because of *this*", it would be in their best interests to damn-well listen, especially when it's the vocal majority saying that same thing.

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 15 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[K7Sniper]

Immaturity goes all over the place unfortunately...

Yes, the current set of endings are rather confusing, and are the source of many bouts of rage, but remember, we are all living being here... unless you are the Geth.

Modifié par K7Sniper, 15 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[RShara]

Anyone who is threatening actual harm to anyone or anything (and means it because yes I have joked in private about it) is sick and the mods have a right to ban them.

[kato42]

This is the simple fact of business. You ****** off your customers, you lose them. Any business should be able to tell you that, although some fail to recognize it.

In fact, I think we are being damn nice to them, we are offering them a chance to fix this. We are waiting a surprisingly long time for them to fix this. I have just walked away and never looked back from many a business far quicker, and for far less, than this.

Besides, most businesses would rather be told that they made a mistake so they can fix it, than to just lose a customer with no opportunity to rectify their mistake.

As was said, in the end EA-Bioware doesn't HAVE to do anything. We aren't holding a gun to their heads. But we are holding our wallets, if they want to keep getting our money, they had better make us happy. But if they think their 'vision' is more important than ours - and our money - then that is their choice. They will have to accept the consequences however.

[RGC_Ines]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I am yet another person who hates the ending. Most people here are being very civil toward the devs, and that's great. Some others continue to make threads saying "I'm quitting Bioware games if you don't change the ending' etc etc...this gets us absolutely nowhere.

In fact, it probably makes them less likely to change anything.

I'm begging you...stop making it "us vs. them" and painting the devs as evil money-grubbers out to crush your dreams.

You probably forgot fact, that they are not only " artists" or " creators" but also sellers, and the player is a consumer. So If Im not happy with product I paid for, I have rights to say my opinion, and it's not making  war BW vs Players.
And yes, they are " money-grubbers" while making a game it's a buissnes and not charity. So the only and meaning for company way, to show my dissapointment it's lack of my cash. That's the reason why Im by " Im quitting BioWare games" player side. After big dissapointment DA2 was for me, and ME3 which ruined all serie at the ending I see no reason to support those IPs.

[WildcardCharlie]

To those that are saying "nobody is making threats" I'd encourage you to read @masseffect's mentions on Twitter, and some of the posts in the general forum here that have been closed down.

[pavi132]

GuyWithFace wrote...

locsphere wrote...

I think this is one of the most respectful forums as well as groups I have been with.!

You do realize you're talking about BSN, right?

You DO realize that you are on here as well? Your perception of the forums is warped. There are actually many more respectful posts than disrespectful ones. But no, go ahead and insult a community you are part of while attempting to separate yourself from that same group even though you are actively involved in it. 

[suusuuu]

locsphere wrote...

I think this is one of the most respectful forums as well as groups I have been with. I doubt there are a lot of people who would even dare convey a threat. If they are, the are in a very small number of people. That being said this thread is unnecessary!

This. So much!

[K7Sniper]

There is a difference in stating your opinion in a civilized manner, and threatening people...

[GuyWithFace]

pavi132 wrote...

GuyWithFace wrote...

locsphere wrote...

I think this is one of the most respectful forums as well as groups I have been with.!

You do realize you're talking about BSN, right?

You DO realize that you are on here as well? Your perception of the forums is warped. There are actually many more respectful posts than disrespectful ones. But no, go ahead and insult a community you are part of while attempting to separate yourself from that same group even though you are actively involved in it. 

Whoever said I was trying to separate myself from the same group?

Also, if you were here before ME3 released, you'd understand what I mean. When 98% of the forums didn't have one goal to rally behind, the forums were utter chaos.

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 15 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[KotorEffect3]

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So in other words you want to threaten bioware because you didn't get your way and ruin it for those of us that still like their product.

How are we ruining it for people who like it? Explain please? Does EA have a switch that makes the game explode if they don't earn enough money or something? You got it, you like it, we can't do anything with that. 

You are threatening future content such as DLC and possibly future games because you didn't like 5 minutes in what was otherwise a magnificent game.  I have seen calls to boycott planned DLC over the endings.  If you individualy decide not to purchase it than that is fine, that is your decision but people calling for boycotts and trying to financialy hurt bioware thus threatening the existance of the franchise threatens future content for those of us that still enjoy it.

[Haiyato]

For the most part, its been a pretty civil uproar. I just don't think I or lot of us has seen something of this magnitude (writers from Forbes had some things to say as well) and I can't really blame anyone for being upset and wanting answers for the ending. But hey if you enjoyed the ending more power to you. I am glad you enjoyed it

But honestly money does speak louder than words and sometimes that what it takes to get a company to listen.

[Baine10]

It's not a threat. It's called capitalism. You screw up, your consumers go elsewhere. Simple Logic.

Try to consider what threats mean and are before posting such threads.