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[suusuuu]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I'm asking you not to threaten to stop giving them more money if they don't fix the ME3 ending, because it HURTS our cause more than it helps it.

I want the ME3 ending changed just as badly as you do.

please watch this because I can't explain it better than he does.

http://www.youtube.c...p-eggD1Q#t=649s

[WildcardCharlie]

cyrrant wrote...

OP and his defenders seem to be treating Bioware (corporation) as though it were an actual person with its own feelings.

Facepalm.

I can't do this anymore.

Bed time for me, good night.

[RShara]

But we WON'T be giving them more money if they don't fix the endings? At least, I don't plan to because I am horribly disappointed in a lot of aspects of Mass Effect 3 (not just the endings, but they are the visible part of the iceburg). But fixing the endings would go a long way toward also fixing confidence in them. If they don't, it's going to be my last straw, and I highly doubt that they will see any of my money ever again.

And if any of my friends ask, Hey should I buy Mass Effect 3? I will say, Only if you want to be confused. Or, Sure, but don't get invested.

[KotorEffect3]

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 your point of view is so twisted around and warped I can't even begin to understand. If you're fine with the quality degrading with each new product (because that's what's happening) then you can pay them. I won't. And I advise other people to not do that too. I don't want my favorite type of entertainment get worse than it already is.

Degrading?  Ok other than DA 2 which I consider to be more of a hiccup than anything else I don't see how bioware's product is "degrading".  Don't say ME 3's ending is a sign of degradation either because it is widely accepted that the first 40 hours or so of the game was magnificent which indicates that bioware can still deliver the goods.  And by telling other people to boycott their product you are trying to bring down the world's and universes that I am still invested in.

[Xandax]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I am yet another person who hates the ending. Most people here are being very civil toward the devs, and that's great. Some others continue to make threads saying "I'm quitting Bioware games if you don't change the ending' etc etc...this gets us absolutely nowhere.

In fact, it probably makes them less likely to change anything.

I'm begging you...stop making it "us vs. them" and painting the devs as evil money-grubbers out to crush your dreams.

Funny: 
Vote with your wallet is the first line of defense appologists use when defending the quality or other issues with a company. 
Then when people claim to want to vote with their wallet - it now suddenly gets them nowhere and people should just keep throwing money at a qustionable ethics? 

To continue buying their products does not encourage the developers to think they might have done wrong or the cause the representatives to see they've lied to their customers.

This is capitalism - sales dictate the direction. Not just sitting on a forum or social media and being ignored or even sarcastically belittled.

Modifié par Xandax, 15 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[TiaraBlade]

How else are we supposed to get our dissatisfaction across to Bioware? Ultimately, we vote with our wallets.

Most of us here love Bioware and Bioware games; we WANT to keep playing them but Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 have raised concerns. Dragon Age 2 I can forgive as being rushed and also the developers honestly tried to really change it up to take advantage of what worked in Mass Effect 1/2 (voiced protagonist, sped up combat, etc...) as well as breaking the typical Bioware plot of collect the 4 plot coupons and then go to end game to save the world. It didn't work as well as we wanted but it laid groundwork for an amazing DA3.

ME3 had issues, including:
1. the endings that undercut all we did in the three games and makes it almost impossible to go forward in the series; not interested in prequels

2. Day 1 DLC that people had to pay for. I have little problem with extras to get people to buy the game new (like Shale for DA:O, Zaeed for ME2) but From Ashes went beyond that to charge money from even those buying the game new. Also, the contents and revelatons were of such magnitude that it should have been in the game proper.

3. The constant tie ins to get this goody and that goody by buying a phone or another game or the like. It's just too much.

Bioware is, IMHO, the best developer out there (or at least among the elite) with probably the best writers except for perhaps Obsdian. They are losing their way though. Maybe it's EA, maybe it's the new environment where you have to sell 1 million games to break even. I don't know but the relationship between developer and fan is getting strained and after ME3, it might have broken for me. I honestly can't see buying any more Bioware product after this; the game actually ripped at me emotionally; who wants to feel abused rather than elated when playing a GAME? I don't nor do many fans.

Let's get our views out there and get some positive changes for the good of both us and the developer. They want to make great games to sell to us and we want to buy great games from them to enjoy; let's make that happen.

[Harbinger of Hope]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare defenders are the ones acting entitled here. They think that BioWare is entitled to our money.

Guess what?

They aren't.

Seriously? Did you even read a single one of my posts? I'm not defending Bioware or telling you to buy their products.

No, you are telling us to not tell them that we aren't going to be buying their products. Your asking us to keep our mouths shut.

[KotorEffect3]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

OP and his defenders seem to be treating Bioware (corporation) as though it were an actual person with its own feelings.

Facepalm.

I can't do this anymore.

Bed time for me, good night.

Sleep well dude, some of these people are impossible to reason with.

[WildcardCharlie]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare defenders are the ones acting entitled here. They think that BioWare is entitled to our money.

Guess what?

They aren't.

Seriously? Did you even read a single one of my posts? I'm not defending Bioware or telling you to buy their products.

No, you are telling us to not tell them that we aren't going to be buying their products. Your asking us to keep our mouths shut.

No. I'm not.

[Aran Linvail]

Its not a threat , i dont have Dragon Age 2 because i dont like the way they made the game , if they dont change nothing about Mass Effect 3 , i never spend a cent in any Bioware game , its my money , i have to work hard for this money , they have to work hard for me to give to them , its simple.
But what is sad is , Dragon Age 3 goes gold , 80% of the gamers here pre order.

[GuyWithFace]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare defenders are the ones acting entitled here. They think that BioWare is entitled to our money.

Guess what?

They aren't.

Seriously? Did you even read a single one of my posts? I'm not defending Bioware or telling you to buy their products.

No, you are telling us to not tell them that we aren't going to be buying their products. Your asking us to keep our mouths shut.

No. I'm not.

Noone has any idea what you're trying to tell us because you have no idea what you're trying to tell us.

[Jadebaby]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

It doesn't really matter if it's fact or not, because even if you stop buying games, chances are the success of ME3 overall will lead to an increased fanbase. You saying "I'm  taking my ball and going home" probably just makes them roll their eyes and think of you as someone who is impossible to please, a lost cause.

Instead, just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

I hate the endings as much as anyone else. I cant even play multiplayer. BUT. This.

[RShara]

Okay, I just showed this thread to hubby, who is actually let down but not pissed at the endings.

And he doesn't understand what you are trying to say either, other than, "Yes we should stop buying BW games if we don't like them, but we shouldn't THREATEN to stop buying BW games if we don't like them"?

[JPR1964]

Sorry OP,

But personnaly, it's how I feel : dream crusher without a heart...

No more of my hard earned money for them...

Why I cannot say that?

JPR out!

[suusuuu]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 your point of view is so twisted around and warped I can't even begin to understand. If you're fine with the quality degrading with each new product (because that's what's happening) then you can pay them. I won't. And I advise other people to not do that too. I don't want my favorite type of entertainment get worse than it already is.

Degrading?  Ok other than DA 2 which I consider to be more of a hiccup than anything else I don't see how bioware's product is "degrading".  Don't say ME 3's ending is a sign of degradation either because it is widely accepted that the first 40 hours or so of the game was magnificent which indicates that bioware can still deliver the goods.  And by telling other people to boycott their product you are trying to bring down the world's and universes that I am still invested in.

Yes, it is degrading. I don't want to experience an ending like that in ANY GAME EVER AGAIN. It's retroactive for a large amount of people, making the previous games unplayable. And praising the game in my opinion shows Bioware and game devs and publishers in general that it's okay to release a game with a totally half assed and unpolished ending, if the content is fine. I don't want that. I want the endings to live up to the game's level. If the previous 40 hours (or 26 hours for me, and I didn't rush the game) were worse than one of the best gaming experience I had then maybe I could accept the endings. But this was explained a hundred times already. 

And releasing any pre-ending DLC is sickening IMO, so I am against that as well.

Modifié par suusuuu, 15 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[GuyWithFace]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Instead, just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

I hate the endings as much as anyone else. I cant even play multiplayer. BUT. This.

I'll just reiterate what I posted in another thread, because I believe I explained quite well what's going on, and you guys just seem to be confused:

The problem is that there are MANY of us who will possibly not buy future DLC. We're making our voices know because WE LOVE BIOWARE. Why can't you see this. We're warning them by saying "We didn't like your latest product, and don't feel it lives up to the Bioware standard. Many of us are going to take our business elsewhere if this is the direction your company is taking, but since we love your previous works so much, we're gonna give you a chance to correct what a large portion of your fanbase was disappointed with to re-earn our faith in your company."

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 15 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[sadako]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I'm asking you not to threaten to stop giving them more money if they don't fix the ME3 ending, because it HURTS our cause more than it helps it.

Dear manufacturer,
Please fix product, don't worry, even if you don't fix it, I'll buy more from you.
Am I the only one seeing the message sent here?

[suusuuu]

once again

http://www.youtube.c...p-eggD1Q#t=649s
doesn't matter if you like him or not, he's right about this.

[Captain_Obvious]

How exactly is informing Bioware that I am unhappy with their product and will most likely not purchase anything else from them if they do not fix their product considered a "threat"? I'm not threatening violence, or abusing Bioware staff; I'm exercising my right as a consumer to talk with my wallet. That's not threatening, it's simple Kroganomics.*

*I cannot take credit for the term, it was someone on the Urdnot Ratch Business thread from earlier.

[WildcardCharlie]

GuyWithFace wrote...


Noone has any idea what you're trying to tell us because you have no idea what you're trying to tell us.

Total nonsense. I've explained it clearly several times, and people either ignore it or fail to understand it and keep saying "SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD JUST KEEP BUYING THEIR GAMES???"

[Evan Belmont]

I've already talked two guys I know out of buying the game until ending DLC is released. This isn't something we're doing intentionally, but I don't want to mislead people I respect. When they ask me what I think of a game because they know I've played them like crazy since the first one and buy every game Bioware creates, I have to be honest. This will be my last Bioware game and it pains me to say, unless they show me this was all part of their plan and release DLC they'd been planning all along. I still have faith, and I'm holding onto my copy for the next 6 months. After that, I'm afraid my devotion to Bioware will have to be pronounced dead. I will mourn it greatly, but it'll sure save me a hell of a lot of money with all those CE purchases I've made.

[Garosh]

OP does not understand the rights of consumers apparently. I guess I'll just keep throwing money at BioWare even though they effectively ruined both Dragon Age and Mass effect for me. 

[RShara]

I'm really trying here. I even brought in a 2nd, fresh opinion. He doesn't understand either.

[WildcardCharlie]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Total nonsense. I've explained it clearly several times, and people either ignore it or fail to understand it and keep saying "SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD JUST KEEP BUYING THEIR GAMES???"

OP does not understand the rights of consumers apparently. I guess I'll
just keep throwing money at BioWare even though they effectively ruined
both Dragon Age and Mass effect for me. 

Case in point.

[Exeider]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

It doesn't really matter if it's fact or not, because even if you stop buying games, chances are the success of ME3 overall will lead to an increased fanbase. You saying "I'm  taking my ball and going home" probably just makes them roll their eyes and think of you as someone who is impossible to please, a lost cause.

Instead, just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

what fanbase, they have shot themselves in the foot, the galaxy is over, galactic civilization is over. I mean they literlly wrote themselves into a corner so badly, that later retconning or back pedaling will be pretty much impossible. Blowing up the relays, basically was Bioware saying, We are done with Mass Effect, and moving on to something else.

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