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[Jadebaby]

GuyWithFace wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Instead, just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

I hate the endings as much as anyone else. I cant even play multiplayer. BUT. This.

I'll just reiterate what I posted in another thread, because I believe I explained quite well what's going on, and you guys just seem to be confused:

The problem is that there are MANY of us who will possibly not buy future DLC. We're making our voices know because WE LOVE BIOWARE. Why can't you see this. We're warning them by saying "We didn't like your latest product, and don't feel it lives up to the Bioware standard. Many of us are going to take our business elsewhere if this is the direction your company is taking, but since we love your previous works so much, we're gonna give you a chance to correct what a large portion of your fanbase was disappointed with to re-earn our faith in your company."

I understand how you feel about loving Bioware and in particular Mass Effect, as this is why I want the endings changed so much. Because of that love.
However, they obviously know what's going on (let's not be stupid about it) and since they have still not made an official comment regarding the matter YET.  These kind of comments just aren't needed.

Give them time. Hold the line. Simple.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 15 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[RShara]

So, if 20 other people went to that restaurant, and also found scabby band aids that the manager refused to acknowledge, what would you do next? Write to the health department? We don't have that here.
Let's say the restaurant is near your neighborhood and a lot of your neighbors go there. Would you be worried about their health? Perhaps start warning them they shouldn't go to that restaurant any more?

What if the restaurant then started advertising how they were the cleanest place in town? Would you start to feel strongly enough to start organizing a Get the Word Out campaign?

[WildcardCharlie]

Jade8aby88 wrote...



I understand how you feel about loving Bioware and in particular Mass Effect, as this is why I want the endings changed so much. Because of that love.
However, they obviously know what's going on (let's not be stupid about it) and since they have still not made an official comment regarding the matter YET.  These kind of comments just aren't needed.

Give them time. Hold the line. Simple.

THANK YOU.

I guess I just have to keep quoting this until people actually understand what I'm saying:

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Instead,
just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much
you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm
sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

[GuyWithFace]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

GuyWithFace wrote...


Noone has any idea what you're trying to tell us because you have no idea what you're trying to tell us.

Total nonsense. I've explained it clearly several times, and people either ignore it or fail to understand it and keep saying "SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD JUST KEEP BUYING THEIR GAMES???"

This is apparently your point:

What I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more. 
But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

To which many of us (myself included) responded to in kind, only to have you ignore those posts and respond to other ones trying to make your point "clear" again. How about actually responding to those of us who tried to understand what the entire point of this thread was and made a post about it?

[Aran Linvail]

Do you really think a Company like Bioware cares if you love the game ? For them we are numbers , sales numbers , if these numbers are high they dont give a %&$ if you are happy , unhappy or angry with them , drop these numbers and they start to care about.

Modifié par Baldurs Gate Fanboy, 15 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Shadow-Novus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dear BioWare,

I have your pie.

Give me DLC or ELSE.

Love,
Maria

YOU, FIEND!!

[GuyWithFace]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
I understand how you feel about loving Bioware and in particular Mass Effect, as this is why I want the endings changed so much. Because of that love.
However, they obviously know what's going on (let's not be stupid about it) and since they have still not made an official comment regarding the matter YET.  These kind of comments just aren't needed.

Give them time. Hold the line. Simple.

They obviously know what's going on? Maybe you're right, and they do. But they've given no response to us yet(besides standard PR "thank you for your feedback" responses), so we're playing it safe, and making damn-well sure that our issue is known. 

You're saying we should be passive, rather than proactive? When does that ever work?

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 15 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Jadebaby]

sadako wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I'm asking you not to threaten to stop giving them more money if they don't fix the ME3 ending, because it HURTS our cause more than it helps it.

Dear manufacturer,
Please fix product, don't worry, even if you don't fix it, I'll buy more from you.
Am I the only one seeing the message sent here?

No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.

[suusuuu]

<- this thread

[Dark_Caduceus]

I never threatened. I displayed my wish for a damn good explanation of the endings, doesn't cost them anything but a little bit of time. Still waiting.

[tufy1]

Well, as I've stated before, I believe that up until Anderson's "you did good, child", Mass Effect 3 is a great game and well worth the money invested. Still, those last 5 minutes pissed me off so much, that I've cancelled my TOR subscription just because it was the only way to "punish" Bioware/EA. I know, a silly move, but when you enter that state of blind rage and feeling of being powerless, you just want to do something, anything.

Funny thing is, if they ended the game right there with Anderson, I'd love the game most of all Mass Effects to date and possibly even consider it one of the greatest products that Bioware has ever made - such was the effect of those 5 minutes on me.

Right now, Bioware still has a way out in form of a "true ending DLC" (even if it wasn't planned). Sure, they'll be bashed for not giving us the whole game, but the community has given them a way out, a reinterpretation that they can grab if they so choose. It's perfectly their right not to do that, but according to these forums and comments elsewhere (even Forbes), it would be a good business move - EA would earn more money because the DLC would no doubt be very popular, fans would be happy (if feeling a bit exploited) and we'd get an ending that we deserve. Better yet, a proper ending would ensure the franchize's survival for years to come. After all, Mass Effect (before the Starchild Event) may well be one of the most popular franchizes Bioware has ever produced, with sick future potential - if it's executed correctly, that is.

[AlexXIV]

You know what's ridiculous? That some people think 'asking nicely' gets them farther than threatening or raging. In fact it is a business decision for Bioware. They probably don't care how crappy the ending is if it only sells well. If you ask nicely you get 'I am sorry you didn't like it', a friendly but negative response. Not saying that being rude gets you further but frankly, it doesn't even matter. The best thing you can get being friendly maybe is a response. But honestly, we are not in this to get a 'we are deeply sorry but we can't do that'.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[WildcardCharlie]

Jade8aby88 wrote...



No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.

This is what people don't seem to get the most.

They don't care about your threats to stop buying their games because they don't take you seriously. They won't realize you were serious until you don't buy their next game. How does that help you get a better ending to ME3?

[KotorEffect3]

suusuuu wrote...

<- this thread

Because you disagree with it?

[HKR148]

Really need to stop using cheap-sounding slogans however.. I feel it only makes us look less-mature by rallying around some in-game sentences.

[irishScott3]

So do what you promised us or you don't get our money is a threat now? To a for-profit business? I thought that was just the nature of capitalism. If they promise us something and then don't come through, we go to someone that does. Plain and simple.

[Harbinger of Hope]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare defenders are the ones acting entitled here. They think that BioWare is entitled to our money.

Guess what?

They aren't.

Seriously? Did you even read a single one of my posts? I'm not defending Bioware or telling you to buy their products.

No, you are telling us to not tell them that we aren't going to be buying their products. Your asking us to keep our mouths shut.

No. I'm not.

Actually, yes you are. People have asked you what your point is and you have stated several times that we just shouldn't tell them that we aren't going to be buying their games anymore.

Jade8aby88 wrote...


No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay,
put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as
leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they
actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on
forums.

EA's stock loss of .75% and the used copies flooding into Amazon and Gamestops would like to have a word with you.

Modifié par Harbinger of Hope, 15 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[RShara]

But if they don't care then why does it matter?

Also, I would prefer to give (and get) fair warning.

[FabricatedWookie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dear BioWare,

I have your pie.

Give me DLC or ELSE.

Love,
Maria

and trust Maria bioware, this pie is no lie.

[suusuuu]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.

Yes, but we want less people to buy their products. One person not buying doesn't change anything. Some people might see a "threat" of this kind and think "This is actually a good idea". Pretty much that. We obviously know NO ONE from EA reads the forum because the traffic here is insane. 

[The Real Bowser]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

It doesn't really matter if it's fact or not, because even if you stop buying games, chances are the success of ME3 overall will lead to an increased fanbase. You saying "I'm  taking my ball and going home" probably just makes them roll their eyes and think of you as someone who is impossible to please, a lost cause.

Instead, just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

If this was just one person, you would be correct.

[Jadebaby]

GuyWithFace wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
I understand how you feel about loving Bioware and in particular Mass Effect, as this is why I want the endings changed so much. Because of that love.
However, they obviously know what's going on (let's not be stupid about it) and since they have still not made an official comment regarding the matter YET.  These kind of comments just aren't needed.

Give them time. Hold the line. Simple.

They obviously know what's going on? Maybe you're right, and they do. But they've given no response to us yet, so we're playing it safe, and making damn-well sure that our issue is known. 

You're saying we should be passive, rather than proactive? When does that ever work?

I would never abandon being proactive in any cause let alone this one. But your not being that proactive by saying "fix it or f you."

[JasonDaPsycho]

It's not a threat. It's a warning.

[GuyWithFace]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

This is what people don't seem to get the most.

They don't care about your threats to stop buying their games because they don't take you seriously. They won't realize you were serious until you don't buy their next game. How does that help you get a better ending to ME3?

See, in other circumstances I may agree with you, but when a major publishing company centered in business(Forbes) takes our side on this issue, any for-profit company would be stupid not to listen.

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 15 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Rob8228]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

TheRisenStar wrote...

Is BioWare entitled to my money and patronage?

I think stating the obvious is far from a threat.

Jeez people, read my posts.

I'm not saying you SHOULD buy their games in the future unconditionally.

What I am saying is, rather than using that as a threat against them, just continue to let them know you would love to see a better ending option via DLC. Hold off on the "threats." If in the end, they don't do what you want, then fine, feel free not to buy their games any more.

But making ultimatums and saying "I'm not going to buy any more of your games" just comes off as an overly-emotional response that makes them less receptive to your opinions.

It's not a threat. It's a fact. 

If BW does not fix this, I will never give them another penny in my life. I let them know that along with many others. All we are doing, is letting them know where we stand. They can use the information we gave them and decide what to do with it. I'm not going to go there and start punching employees, and I haven't seen anyone say they will. So, where is the threat?