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[Jadebaby]

The Real Bowser wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

It doesn't really matter if it's fact or not, because even if you stop buying games, chances are the success of ME3 overall will lead to an increased fanbase. You saying "I'm  taking my ball and going home" probably just makes them roll their eyes and think of you as someone who is impossible to please, a lost cause.

Instead, just continue to make it known how important this series is, how much you love it and how much you WANT them to fix it. That is something I'm sure that will appeal to them more than "do what I want or I'm leaving"

If this was just one person, you would be correct.

Did you mean that because of the impossible to please part?

[suusuuu]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Because you disagree with it?

no, because people have free will. First thing, people accuse us of being rude (which we most certainly are not) now you're asking us to stop declaring that we won't buy DLC without any substantial reasoning. 

[Saberchic]

@OP: Where are you seeing all this "threatening" going on?

All I've seen is people stating their displeasure in a non-hostile way. That's not threatening.

[HKR148]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...



No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.

This is what people don't seem to get the most.

They don't care about your threats to stop buying their games because they don't take you seriously. They won't realize you were serious until you don't buy their next game. How does that help you get a better ending to ME3?

Problem with demanding the better ending is "So what if Bioware doesn't listen and go about as business as usual?" If we are limiting ourselves by just simply making the voice of discontent over the ending and simply tells them on what certain conditions will us the customers will continue purchasing their product will leave less room for outside attacks and allowing ourselves to be at a higher moral ground.

[GuyWithFace]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I would never abandon being proactive in any cause let alone this one. But your not being that proactive by saying "fix it or f you."

I'm sorry, but "fix your products or f you" IS what voting with your wallet is. I'd explain why, but I've already explained that about three times in this thread.

[KotorEffect3]

[quote]suusuuu wrote...

[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.[/quote]Yes, but we want less people to buy their products. One person not buying doesn't change anything. Some people might see a "threat" of this kind and think "This is actually a good idea". Pretty much that. We obviously know NO ONE from EA reads the forum because the traffic here is insane. 
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Which is fine if it is a decision you made for yourself but now you want to see the world's that some of us are still invested in crumble because you are no longer invested in them.

[Lunaluxlepus]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I am yet another person who hates the ending. Most people here are being very civil toward the devs, and that's great. Some others continue to make threads saying "I'm quitting Bioware games if you don't change the ending' etc etc...this gets us absolutely nowhere.

In fact, it probably makes them less likely to change anything.

I'm begging you...stop making it "us vs. them" and painting the devs as evil money-grubbers out to crush your dreams.

Saying that we won't buy another Bioware game is a THREATENING?

You have a very interesting idea of what THREATENING is.

Modifié par Lunaluxlepus, 15 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[SandTrout]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

This is what people don't seem to get the most.

They don't care about your threats to stop buying their games because they don't take you seriously. They won't realize you were serious until you don't buy their next game. How does that help you get a better ending to ME3?

If they don't realize that we have legitimate grievances and that their reputation (and therefor sales) will suffer from it, then they are idiots and diserve what they get. They won't be able to tell anyone they weren't warned.

Trying to be nice and appeal that way necessarily wont work because it presents no consiquences for failing to act appropriately. Without consiquences, there is no motivation for them to change their behavior, so we are informing them of the consiquences. You may think that we are being hard, but that is because we are, deliberately being hard on this subject. We are leaving as little room for doubt as possible so that they know what will happen.

[suusuuu]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.[/quote]

 Yes, but we want less people to buy their products. One person not buying doesn't change anything. Some people might see a "threat" of this kind and think "This is actually a good idea". Pretty much that. We obviously know NO ONE from EA reads the forum because the traffic here is insane. 

Which is fine if it is a decision you made for yourself but now you want to see the world's that some of us are still invested in crumble because you are no longer invested in them.

 

I'm sorry but now you're insulting people assuming they are some kind of mindless drones. Everyone can decide for themselves and if someone is willing to buy something seeing some people saying that they won't, might but probably will not change their decision. 

Modifié par suusuuu, 15 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Maria Caliban]

Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

Do you really think a Company like Bioware cares if you love the game ?

Well...

1) Yes, companies want people to love what they make or the service they provide. Word of mouth is still the most powerful marketing force available. In fact, one person who loves your product is probably worth more than ten people who just like it.

2) People who work on the games read the forums. Do they like it when people talk about how they love the game? Yes. Game developers pour an obscene amount of work into their games and seeing it reduced to a steaming pile of rubble because of things outside your control isn't fun. One dude wrote the ending (Mac Walters) but hundreds of people made the game.

[KotorEffect3]

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.[/quote]

 Yes, but we want less people to buy their products. One person not buying doesn't change anything. Some people might see a "threat" of this kind and think "This is actually a good idea". Pretty much that. We obviously know NO ONE from EA reads the forum because the traffic here is insane. 

Which is fine if it is a decision you made for yourself but now you want to see the world's that some of us are still invested in crumble because you are no longer invested in them.

 

I'm sorry but now you're insulting people assuming they are some kind of mindless drones. Everyone can decide for themselves and if someone is willing to buy something seeing some people saying that they won't will not change their choice. 

I am not insulting anybody.  I don't want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go under because DA 2 was a hiccup.

[Lancane]

There is nothing wrong with consumers voicing their opinion, that's the basis of a so-called free market based society. In fact it's to be expected when the product in question has placated itself in the lives of numerous consumers, a perfect example would be Daewoo Automobiles, the company created a economical, affordable car with a tremendous warranty, however, when they had to file bankruptcy they sent letters to all those who currently had one of their automobiles financed and not fully paid for and offered a longer warranty or to purchase the vehicle back at the price remaining on the loan...that was a well respected move that earned them a ton of respect from the consumers because they showed who was important to them. Whether it's a toaster, automobile, computer or even a game, a corporation or company of modern day society is suppose to cater to their consumers. There is no artistic value in a video game...period, because if you ****** off your buyers, then beware the next profit margin meeting when you have to explain a loss to your shareholders. That's where the success and failure in a free market comes into play, despite what Bioware might or might not believe.

That said, I don't believe this is the end of Mass Effect 3, I've been hearing the spatter of rumors that Bioware wanted this effect on people, because they'll be launching a DLC that continues the story and has the real ending...as to whether or not that is true, I do hope so for the sake of Bioware who I've long respected and had an affinity for.

[Jadebaby]

irishScott3 wrote...

So do what you promised us or you don't get our money is a threat now? To a for-profit business? I thought that was just the nature of capitalism. If they promise us something and then don't come through, we go to someone that does. Plain and simple.

Yes, but this isn't what's happening here. Bioware already got your money. And that's another reason why we're all upset about this, because we were promised diversity.

Like I said, if you think you know how a for-profit business works then you should also know they wont do anything until they see the decline. Not from "fix it or f u".

[coolerdude]

Who is threatening them? I don't see anyone saying they will blow up Bioware or kill individual employees. I don't even see anyone saying Bioware people should kill themselves.

All I see are people saying that they wouldn't buy any future products of Bioware if they don't fix it which as consumers, we are definitely entitled to say.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Before I realized the indoc theory is true, the reason I was saying I would never play a Bioware game again is because I felt physically unable to.  I was physically ill from the ending as it was presented and the mere thought of playing another bioware game made me depressed as hell.  I was not threatening it as black mail, I was threatening it as a regrettable fact as result of what was happening.  I didn't volunteer to feel such emotions.  I wouldn't just threaten them over a petty disagreement.  Its a different situation entirely when I'm stating I will be unable to ever play their games again rather then simply refusing to. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 15 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[HKR148]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No because he's not telling you to keep buying them, he's saying you don't have to threaten them with it.

Okay, put it this way. If you guys are so ready to use ur wallets as leverage, then you should also realise that this wont work until they actually see a decline in profit. Not from people talking on forums.[/quote]

 Yes, but we want less people to buy their products. One person not buying doesn't change anything. Some people might see a "threat" of this kind and think "This is actually a good idea". Pretty much that. We obviously know NO ONE from EA reads the forum because the traffic here is insane. 

Which is fine if it is a decision you made for yourself but now you want to see the world's that some of us are still invested in crumble because you are no longer invested in them.

 

I'm sorry but now you're insulting people assuming they are some kind of mindless drones. Everyone can decide for themselves and if someone is willing to buy something seeing some people saying that they won't will not change their choice. 

I am not insulting anybody.  I don't want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go under because DA 2 was a hiccup.

Well if the majority of the player base 'does' turns out to be unhappy with the Bioware's situation and if that truly is going to hurt Bioware in future, then they deserve to get into serious trouble no matter how you liked the company's product in the past. I used to like the Westwood and it hurted to see them breaking apart like that many years ago, but the series of poor products they were releasing along with an absolutely abysmal management costed their entire business. What can you do about it? The blame is only to themselves for failing to adapt to the business climate.

Modifié par HKR148, 15 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[magikbbg]

I really wanted to get new baldurs gate. But I guess not anymore. Not even simcity 5 time for new hobbies gotta move on

[Aran Linvail]

Threatening = If you guys dont change that horrendus end im going to steal your car , burn your house and kill your dog

Bargaining = Bioware , im very unhappy with the end of Mass Effect 3 , and im not alone , if you dont change or expand the end in any way , i cant trust you anymore to buy any other product from you , and i know many others in the same boat. Thank you.

Modifié par Baldurs Gate Fanboy, 15 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[Jackal7713]

MPSai wrote...

What's wrong with consumers saying they will no longer purchase products from a company they've become dissatisfied with?

Couldn't have said it better. As consumers we have the right to express our Complaints. This is why I have stopped calling myself a fan. I'm a consumer that like the ME brand. I have paid money to a corporation on faith (pre-order) to deliver a finished product, not one ending with different colors. That is not what they said they were selling. They have faild on their end and so, I will express that I will not buy anything from them again on good faith, uless they fix the ending.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 15 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[suusuuu]

magikbbg wrote...

I really wanted to get new baldurs gate. But I guess not anymore. Not even simcity 5 time for new hobbies gotta move on

the new baldur's gate (whatever it will be ) is owned by atari IIRC and developed by someone entirely else than bioware.

[tufy1]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am not insulting anybody.  I don't
want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't
like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go
under because DA 2 was a hiccup.

Then Bioware shouldn't have pissed off their customers. It's happened before, it'll happen again. It's a cycle, really

[Harbinger of Hope]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

irishScott3 wrote...

So do what you promised us or you don't get our money is a threat now? To a for-profit business? I thought that was just the nature of capitalism. If they promise us something and then don't come through, we go to someone that does. Plain and simple.

Yes, but this isn't what's happening here. Bioware already got your money. And that's another reason why we're all upset about this, because we were promised diversity.

Like I said, if you think you know how a for-profit business works then you should also know they wont do anything until they see the decline. Not from "fix it or f u".

Like I said, they are already starting to feel it. If places like gamestop and amazon get flooded with used copies, then that really does hurt them. Sure, people could buy the online pass codes, but $10 is a poor substitute for a full $60. Plus, like some one said, word of mouth is a powerful thing. I know if someone asks me about ME3 I will tell them my honest opinion. Buy it used when it's like 20 bucks. And don't even get the online pass, the multiplayer is not worth it.

[suusuuu]

tufy1 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am not insulting anybody.  I don't
want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't
like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go
under because DA 2 was a hiccup.

Then Bioware shouldn't have pissed off their customers. It's happened before, it'll happen again. It's a cycle, really

the consumers will always rebel against the creators? 

[KotorEffect3]

tufy1 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am not insulting anybody.  I don't
want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't
like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go
under because DA 2 was a hiccup.

Then Bioware shouldn't have pissed off their customers. It's happened before, it'll happen again. It's a cycle, really

consumers are too nitpicky

[Nobrandminda]

Brahlis wrote...

Nobody is threatening them. They're stating fact.

Pretty much this.  It's not even really a threat, it's a reaction.  The ending to ME3 makes me legitimately disinterested in future Bioware games, or at least Mass Effect games in particular.

The phrase "vote with your wallet" comes to mind.