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Lancane wrote...

There is nothing wrong with consumers voicing their opinion, that's the basis of a so-called free market based society. In fact it's to be expected when the product in question has placated itself in the lives of numerous consumers, a perfect example would be Daewoo Automobiles, the company created a economical, affordable car with a tremendous warranty, however, when they had to file bankruptcy they sent letters to all those who currently had one of their automobiles financed and not fully paid for and offered a longer warranty or to purchase the vehicle back at the price remaining on the loan...that was a well respected move that earned them a ton of respect from the consumers because they showed who was important to them. Whether it's a toaster, automobile, computer or even a game, a corporation or company of modern day society is suppose to cater to their consumers. There is no artistic value in a video game...period, because if you ****** off your buyers, then beware the next profit margin meeting when you have to explain a loss to your shareholders. That's where the success and failure in a free market comes into play, despite what Bioware might or might not believe.

That said, I don't believe this is the end of Mass Effect 3, I've been hearing the spatter of rumors that Bioware wanted this effect on people, because they'll be launching a DLC that continues the story and has the real ending...as to whether or not that is true, I do hope so for the sake of Bioware who I've long respected and had an affinity for.



Well said, I too beleive it's not the end, that's why I'm giving them time, time to at least make "one" official statement.
In going with what you said. Bioware know what they've done, you said it urself "Bioware wanted this effect on people," and they are also somewhat simliar to Daewoo in the sense that we have BSN in itself. They do listen. So until they make a comment. Prevent from hitting them where it hurts.. 

Though if they make a comment saying that they're not going to fix it. Then i will start using.... Actually I probably wont, I'll just delete my BSN account and go start playing Bethesda games. I can't even look at my CE right now.

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If anything , Games costumers are not nitpicky , we put alot of things aside to enjoy a game, no other business segment is so forgiven.

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consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.

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Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

If anything , Games costumers are not nitpicky , we put alot of things aside to enjoy a game, no other business segment is so forgiven.


Visited 4 different Gamespot stores around the town (this is college town) they are.. quite flooded with the used copies of ME3 like what many posters have said and none of them are happy about the game nor so many customers returning the copy.

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suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.


Consumers have every rights to access whether the resource they are going to spend is going to truly benefit them and fulfill their expectations to 100%. If you are not doing this, then you are not fulfilling your basic obligations as a consumer in a capitalist economic system and thus contribute to the overall downgrade of the entire system's efficiency.

Modifié par HKR148, 15 mars 2012 - 07:15 .


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Firstly, threatening to not buy any future Bioware games is totally OK, and that's the only thing I've seen around here. It's our money, and we decide how to spend it. Some of us would simply rather have Bioware salvage the franchise rather than abandoning it.

Further, whilst apologists would have you think otherwise, game developers have a moral obligation to deliver a product that matches the claims they made about it. If the car advertised as a BMW turned out to be a Trabant you'd be angry, too, right?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 15 mars 2012 - 07:16 .


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I see the problem. The OP is under the assumption that everyone saying they're not buying future Bioware productsunless the ending is fixed will not follow through on their declaration. He is essentially saying "stop making empty threats, Bioware will not take us seriously if we do." And that is where the confusion lies. I, for one, am not making an empty threat. If this is the ending they intended, I will not purchase any of the DLC (and I bought every piece of DLC for ME and ME2, no matter what it was), and I seriously doubt I will purchase any other products. Let me be clear, that is not an empty threat. That is a stone cold fact.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Firstly, threatening to not buy any future Bioware games is totally OK, and that's the only thing I've seen around here. It's our money, and we decide how to spend it. Some of us would simply rather have Bioware salvage the franchise rather than abandoning it.

Further, whilst apologists would have you think otherwise, game developers have a moral obligation to deliver a product that matches the claims they made about it.


Moral obligation, unfortunately has little merits in reality. However what's truly powerful is the word 'trust', a concept even an [organized criminal organization] will do their best to keep.

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Thrawn777 wrote...

I see the problem. The OP is under the assumption that everyone saying they're not buying future Bioware productsunless the ending is fixed will not follow through on their declaration. He is essentially saying "stop making empty threats, Bioware will not take us seriously if we do." And that is where the confusion lies. I, for one, am not making an empty threat. If this is the ending they intended, I will not purchase any of the DLC (and I bought every piece of DLC for ME and ME2, no matter what it was), and I seriously doubt I will purchase any other products. Let me be clear, that is not an empty threat. That is a stone cold fact.


QFT. 

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Who is threatening them? I don't see anyone saying they will blow up Bioware or kill individual employees. I don't even see anyone saying Bioware people should kill themselves.

All I see are people saying that they wouldn't buy any future products of Bioware if they don't fix it which as consumers, we are definitely entitled to say.


Of course you are and personally, if they don't fix it, I'm one of them.  BUT I'm not going to use that as leverage... Even though I think I just did.. Unintentional.

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HKR148 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.


Consumers have every rights to access whether the resource they are going to spend is going to truly benefit them and fulfill their expectations to 100%. If you are not doing this, then you are not fulfilling your basic obligations as a consumer in a capitalist economic system and thus contribute to the overall downgrade of the entire system's efficiency.

thanks. I'm starting to lose my patience with some people. 

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It's not threatening it's stating fact. If they're going to string me along for half a decade and then not give me anything even CLOSE to resembling closure, I'm not doing that to myself again.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Because you disagree with it?



There will come a time in your trolling career when you won't be immune to being called out just by repeating "Just cause I disagree?".

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suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.



Claiming you have higher standards than I do?  Yeah that isn't elitist or anything.  *facepalm*

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suusuuu wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.


Consumers have every rights to access whether the resource they are going to spend is going to truly benefit them and fulfill their expectations to 100%. If you are not doing this, then you are not fulfilling your basic obligations as a consumer in a capitalist economic system and thus contribute to the overall downgrade of the entire system's efficiency.

thanks. I'm starting to lose my patience with some people. 


My bad on one typo, access -> assess. 2:21am here.

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Brian.V3 wrote...

Thrawn777 wrote...

I see the problem. The OP is under the assumption that everyone saying they're not buying future Bioware productsunless the ending is fixed will not follow through on their declaration. He is essentially saying "stop making empty threats, Bioware will not take us seriously if we do." And that is where the confusion lies. I, for one, am not making an empty threat. If this is the ending they intended, I will not purchase any of the DLC (and I bought every piece of DLC for ME and ME2, no matter what it was), and I seriously doubt I will purchase any other products. Let me be clear, that is not an empty threat. That is a stone cold fact.


QFT. 


I'm under the impression he was thinking more along the lines "of course you will stop buying their products".

It still doesn't mean you have to use it as leverage when they haven't even commented yet.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...
I am not insulting anybody.  I don't want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go under because DA 2 was a hiccup.


Oh, I see. Economic innovation thrives when consumers eagerly buy everything that's offered and act like they're being done a favor. Sorry no, you have this entirely ass-backwards. It's the job of the consumer to FORCE (yes, FORCE) companies to keep up via competition. That's what gets us creativity. You really can't seem to grasp this fact.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.



Claiming you have higher standards than I do?  Yeah that isn't elitist or anything.  *facepalm*


No, you implied that yourself. *facepalm*.

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No Threats
We're just stating facts.

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Kloborgg711 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Because you disagree with it?



There will come a time in your trolling career when you won't be immune to being called out just by repeating "Just cause I disagree?".


You are going to have to do more than drop the "trolling" bomb here.  I have the right to disagree with the ":threaten bioware" movement.

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Kloborgg711 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

consumers are too nitpicky

no. you just have low standards.



Claiming you have higher standards than I do?  Yeah that isn't elitist or anything.  *facepalm*


No, you implied that yourself. *facepalm*.


So because I like something you don't you have superior standards now?

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Kloborgg711 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
I am not insulting anybody.  I don't want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go under because DA 2 was a hiccup.


Oh, I see. Economic innovation thrives when consumers eagerly buy everything that's offered and act like they're being done a favor. Sorry no, you have this entirely ass-backwards. It's the job of the consumer to FORCE (yes, FORCE) companies to keep up via competition. That's what gets us creativity. You really can't seem to grasp this fact.


It doesn't necessarily make the companies go for more creative path in reality I'm afraid. However it does make the possibilities of producers offering the goods that will satisfy more consumers. There are many variables to how things can get creative; but usually the infusion of money doesn't help on that as we can see with the recent case of Bioware and the EA products in general compared to more privately-owned companies who adopt extreme-closed door policies and extremely free-to-experiment enviroments like Valve.

Modifié par HKR148, 15 mars 2012 - 07:26 .


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Kloborgg711 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
I am not insulting anybody.  I don't want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go under because DA 2 was a hiccup.


Oh, I see. Economic innovation thrives when consumers eagerly buy everything that's offered and act like they're being done a favor. Sorry no, you have this entirely ass-backwards. It's the job of the consumer to FORCE (yes, FORCE) companies to keep up via competition. That's what gets us creativity. You really can't seem to grasp this fact.



Actualy it isn't the job of the consumer to force anything.  The consumer is offered a service or a product, they like it then they buy it, if no then they don't but don't think the consumer can throw a temper tantrum just so they can get their way.  Guess what the customer isn't always right.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 15 mars 2012 - 07:27 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Brian.V3 wrote...

Thrawn777 wrote...

I see the problem. The OP is under the assumption that everyone saying they're not buying future Bioware productsunless the ending is fixed will not follow through on their declaration. He is essentially saying "stop making empty threats, Bioware will not take us seriously if we do." And that is where the confusion lies. I, for one, am not making an empty threat. If this is the ending they intended, I will not purchase any of the DLC (and I bought every piece of DLC for ME and ME2, no matter what it was), and I seriously doubt I will purchase any other products. Let me be clear, that is not an empty threat. That is a stone cold fact.


QFT. 


I'm under the impression he was thinking more along the lines "of course you will stop buying their products".

It still doesn't mean you have to use it as leverage when they haven't even commented yet.



No, they haven't commented on it yet. A significant portion of their fanbase has expressed their displeasure with their product, and they have refused to address it directly.  So one of two thing are happening.  The whole "it's a false ending and the real ending  is a free The Truth DLC", in which case my concerns have been adressed and they will retain my business.  Or, this is actually the intended ending, in which case they lose me as a customer. I am simply providing them with the information they need to keep me as a customer.  It's up to them to act on it. 

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
I am not insulting anybody.  I don't want to see the Mass Effect franchise going under because people didn't like the endings or for that matter see the Dragon Age franchise go under because DA 2 was a hiccup.


Oh, I see. Economic innovation thrives when consumers eagerly buy everything that's offered and act like they're being done a favor. Sorry no, you have this entirely ass-backwards. It's the job of the consumer to FORCE (yes, FORCE) companies to keep up via competition. That's what gets us creativity. You really can't seem to grasp this fact.



Actualy it isn't the job of the consumer to force anything.  The consumer is offered a service or a product, they like it then they buy it, if no then they don't but don't think the consumer can throw a temper tantrum just so they can get their way.  Guess what the customer isn't always right.


More elaborate way to say is that the consumers can simply vote against buying the product because they deem the product to be unfulfilling to their requirement. Taking livestocks from the producer will pressure the producer to adhere to the market's demand if the survival of their operation is truly in their best interest. Usually the case where one-side (usually the consumer) has to 'force' the producer to take attack happens when the legal dispute is on the scene. Regardless, 'pressuring' the producer to meet the market demand by voting against their product would be a better wording then 'forcing' the producer.

Modifié par HKR148, 15 mars 2012 - 07:31 .