About the Prothean VI on Thessia, it doesn't disprove the indoc hypothesis at all. We KNOW (from Javik) that his own mission was betrayed by indoctrinated Protheans, and we later learn that the Prothean super-weapon was sabotaged by Protheans who wanted to control rather than destroy (sounds like Cerberus anyone?) and they turned out to be indoctrinated (gee isn't that familiar)?
If the Prothean VIs were so good at detecting indoctrination, then none of these things could have happened. I think it's logical to think that the Prothean VIs can detect indoctrination but ONLY after a certain point where it actually influences one's actual loyalties and 'biochemical cues' and Shepard who has perhaps the greatest resistance to indoctrination of all organics perhaps in history, simply hadn't reached a point where the Prothean VI could sense it.
In short, it's reasonble to think that the Reapers were 'working' on Shepard the entire game, and it comes to a head in a do or die moment when Shep is most vulnerable. I am not presenting it as a fact, but the indoc theory DOES fit the facts presented in the game, and alternate theories simply don't and thus I am inclined to give it credence.
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#402
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 02:08
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Go to this thread. And then come back and tell me something isn't up.... http://social.biowar...index/9985131/1
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 03:23
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The theory does not say that Shepard was indoctrinated the entire game.
It says that the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate him over time. Long-distance indoctrination seems to be possible, all they need is some initial contact with the person. Wasn't there a comic that showed TIM founding Cerberus after being horrified by the human-turian war, and finding a Reaper artifact? He could have been subtly indoctrinated for 30 years and it only really took him over when the Reaper War started.
It seems like the "dreams" were Harbringer trying to break into Shepard's mind, and that he finally "broke in" after getting right up in Shep's face and knocking him on his ass. Then, the choices are either accepting or rejecting the indoctrination.
It says that the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate him over time. Long-distance indoctrination seems to be possible, all they need is some initial contact with the person. Wasn't there a comic that showed TIM founding Cerberus after being horrified by the human-turian war, and finding a Reaper artifact? He could have been subtly indoctrinated for 30 years and it only really took him over when the Reaper War started.
It seems like the "dreams" were Harbringer trying to break into Shepard's mind, and that he finally "broke in" after getting right up in Shep's face and knocking him on his ass. Then, the choices are either accepting or rejecting the indoctrination.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 04:39
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MisterNugNug wrote...
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Killing Shepard would make quite the opposite effect of Galactic Alliance fighting even harder against the Reapers. Indoctrination is more preferable in this matter.
How so? They were already going to fight to the end. This is the last battle. Its the battle for all of galactic life. How would Indoctrinating Shepard AT THIS POINT in the conflict change things?
When you see the Galaxy's greatest hero turn into an enemy's puppet, you are very likely to lose all hope that remains.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 04:52
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All you indoctrination theorists need to learn to start your argumentation from a piece of evidence, not lack of it. Take for instance the bonus "waking up in London scene" and build your argumentation upon that. Then make them (try to) disprove that this is not connected to the theory you present.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 04:54
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At this point I believe we can fairly say that anyone who doesn't believe in this theory is in denial. Not those who do believe. I've seen mainly deflection here, and almost every argument involves 50,000 year old technology to recognize indoctrination, something far beyond any species understanding.
Saying that the scene isn't Shepard or it was just a spasm is like saying Kratos died in GOW3. Why even put in the scene. The suspicious posts on Twitter, all the evidence saying AT THE VERY LEAST, Shepard is dreaming, the suddenly "****ty writing". It all makes sense.
Also, I have theory. The scene of Joker running might not be a dream. Consider this, Jokers cut dialogue tells us that he comes back to save his team. It has alot of holes, but it would be very clever if the DLC picks up in London and then tells us what REALLY happened and the final scene is the same. Except this time Shepard steps out, if he lived. If they made that WTF scene the best "Hell yeah" scene ever that would be pretty damn cool.
Saying that the scene isn't Shepard or it was just a spasm is like saying Kratos died in GOW3. Why even put in the scene. The suspicious posts on Twitter, all the evidence saying AT THE VERY LEAST, Shepard is dreaming, the suddenly "****ty writing". It all makes sense.
Also, I have theory. The scene of Joker running might not be a dream. Consider this, Jokers cut dialogue tells us that he comes back to save his team. It has alot of holes, but it would be very clever if the DLC picks up in London and then tells us what REALLY happened and the final scene is the same. Except this time Shepard steps out, if he lived. If they made that WTF scene the best "Hell yeah" scene ever that would be pretty damn cool.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 04:57
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So can we admit this isn't real now? They're taking feedback on the ending at the top of the forum. Taking feedback. That means there's no secret ending going to jump out at us. If there was, they'd wait for it to ask for feedback. We simply have to acknowledge that those endings were it
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:01
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Taking feedback. Yes. Again I state this-if this theory is not currently fact it will be soon-because
A)No one liked the ending. (1% did maybe)
B)Unless Bioware gods of writing, it's the only way they could conclude the story without pissing more people off. It would do the exact opposite, please people.
C)Shepard breathing, and the three choices make for perfect DLC. Otherwise they can't put out post-game DLC, and no one will buy any pre-ending DLC because they still get the same ****ty ending.
A)No one liked the ending. (1% did maybe)
B)Unless Bioware gods of writing, it's the only way they could conclude the story without pissing more people off. It would do the exact opposite, please people.
C)Shepard breathing, and the three choices make for perfect DLC. Otherwise they can't put out post-game DLC, and no one will buy any pre-ending DLC because they still get the same ****ty ending.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:11
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That argument fails because, 50,000 years old or not the implication of the game was, and always has been that the Protheans were every bit as sophisticated and technologically advanced as the galaxy's current races. Their technology detected Kai Leng's indoctrination, it detected Saren's indoctrination. The argument that it would somehow magically miss Shepard's indoctrination is a joke at best.
I'm seriously tired of the smug arguments that those of us don't buy into the indoctrination theory "don't get it" or "are in denial". The simple fact is that there is little evidence in the game to support it, in fact the use of the child that Shepard couldn't save more belies his sense of mental anguish at the loss of life than the beginnings of indoctrination in my mind. The "indoctrination" believers on here are starting to border on acting like a religious cult.
I'm seriously tired of the smug arguments that those of us don't buy into the indoctrination theory "don't get it" or "are in denial". The simple fact is that there is little evidence in the game to support it, in fact the use of the child that Shepard couldn't save more belies his sense of mental anguish at the loss of life than the beginnings of indoctrination in my mind. The "indoctrination" believers on here are starting to border on acting like a religious cult.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:23
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Just my opinion but--
I could see a certain plausibility within the narrative for indoctrination theory. Certainly it is the right of many to interpret as you wish, but I just don't find it very compelling at all. The "it was all a dream ending" has to establish this possibility within the narrative from the start, and if it doesn't otherwise the ending becomes just plain awful. The reason why films like Inception and the like work is because reality is forever within question and forever twinged with doubt. It is the very basis for the entire narrative. This is not the case for the Mass Effect trilogy.
The other part of this discussion does not admit to the game mechanic being a central part of the narrative. In Mass Effect, the story is integral, but it is still a game. Having an EMS score being a means to "fool" the player character into choosing the wrong ending takes away incentive for replayability and even worse, is deliberately designed to create a false reality due to philosophical difference. Here's the thing: I don't think synthesis is a bad choice or a wrong choice. I vastly prefer it to destroy because on a meta level Baby Reaper is correct. The cycle has been created over and over again in literature and in film. Machines rebel against humans and drive humans very nearly to the brink of extinction. This is a legit fear and expresses the anxiety of techonological influence.
Again, I'm not saying that the endings are great because I'm more in "team they have good bones but seem contradictory or unfinished," but I don't like the lack of profoundness in the indoctrination theory. It seems more like a cheap way to be clever when it's really not.
I was initially skeptical of the "child sacrifice" in the beginning of the game, but I thought the dream sequences were well done and gave a human dimension to Shepard that I always felt was sorely lacking. Indoctrination theory addresses the dream sequence in way that I don't find nearly as compelling, but again, ymmv.
I could see a certain plausibility within the narrative for indoctrination theory. Certainly it is the right of many to interpret as you wish, but I just don't find it very compelling at all. The "it was all a dream ending" has to establish this possibility within the narrative from the start, and if it doesn't otherwise the ending becomes just plain awful. The reason why films like Inception and the like work is because reality is forever within question and forever twinged with doubt. It is the very basis for the entire narrative. This is not the case for the Mass Effect trilogy.
The other part of this discussion does not admit to the game mechanic being a central part of the narrative. In Mass Effect, the story is integral, but it is still a game. Having an EMS score being a means to "fool" the player character into choosing the wrong ending takes away incentive for replayability and even worse, is deliberately designed to create a false reality due to philosophical difference. Here's the thing: I don't think synthesis is a bad choice or a wrong choice. I vastly prefer it to destroy because on a meta level Baby Reaper is correct. The cycle has been created over and over again in literature and in film. Machines rebel against humans and drive humans very nearly to the brink of extinction. This is a legit fear and expresses the anxiety of techonological influence.
Again, I'm not saying that the endings are great because I'm more in "team they have good bones but seem contradictory or unfinished," but I don't like the lack of profoundness in the indoctrination theory. It seems more like a cheap way to be clever when it's really not.
I was initially skeptical of the "child sacrifice" in the beginning of the game, but I thought the dream sequences were well done and gave a human dimension to Shepard that I always felt was sorely lacking. Indoctrination theory addresses the dream sequence in way that I don't find nearly as compelling, but again, ymmv.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:28
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The whole "I'm going to send a fleet of sentient machines to destroy you, in case the sentient machines you're creating destroy you" bit didn't strike me as being clever, it struck me as being contrived and illogical.
And let's just face it, the reapers were not the creatures of Mercy the child made out. Sure, they processed and repurposed *some* of the species that they harvested but they also brutally massacred many billions more.
And let's just face it, the reapers were not the creatures of Mercy the child made out. Sure, they processed and repurposed *some* of the species that they harvested but they also brutally massacred many billions more.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:33
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TheRisenStar wrote...
Why don't we teach people logic in primary education? I'm serious, I mean no real disrespect.
You cannot prove a negative: Unfair burden (fallacy)..
Sure. But actually when you get past primary education, you will learn that you cannot prove anything. Even gravity is just a theory.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:37
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ShaneP wrote...
That argument fails because, 50,000 years old or not the implication of the game was, and always has been that the Protheans were every bit as sophisticated and technologically advanced as the galaxy's current races. Their technology detected Kai Leng's indoctrination, it detected Saren's indoctrination. The argument that it would somehow magically miss Shepard's indoctrination is a joke at best..
Um,, or he just wan't indoctrinated yet? The crux of the inoctrination theory is that you can become indocrrinated at THE END OF the game. You would not have been indoctrinated yet on Thessia.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:41
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Why doesnt shepard wake up in all 3 endings? Just indoctrinated in two of them? Why would any author break the narrative flow by releasing the Stargazer scene? If indoc is true, then the reapers havent been defeated yet, so why would the devs include the stargazer scene which talks of a post-reaper world, this ruins the narrative flow and breaks the emotional connection with the threat of the reapers, IF indoc was true. Otherwise it's just AS INTENDED - an epilogue. Why isnt indoc in the script? Why would bioware only have 1 ending be the "true" ending? Why would the game end if it's all just a dream sequence? Do you REALLY think bioware would go that far with a dream sequence when the same resources could be spent on a real ending? Do you?
Stargazer, dev tweets saying shepard living is just a Easter Egg and throwback to 80s movies, Stargazer scene, all say Indoc is just fanfiction.
Stargazer, dev tweets saying shepard living is just a Easter Egg and throwback to 80s movies, Stargazer scene, all say Indoc is just fanfiction.
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The book “Mass Effect Retribution” TIM implanted Grayson with self-replicating nanides. It slowly turned him into a Reaper.
In ME2 it was stated several times the Reapers wanted Shepard alive.
In Arrival even if Shepard gets last person standing the Reaper knocks him out. Shepard is in a lab and the crazy doctor keeps him alive but drugged. The Reapers want him there when they come in. Everyone in that base has been indoctrinated.
If Shepard is not fighting indoctrination then BW has never explained why Reapers wanted Shepard alive. They also haven’t explained why Shepard can resist while others can’t.
It is possible that TIM was trying to indoctrinate Shepard, and Shepard fought it. The story has too many holes or it’s like six sense and Shepard is fighting the indoctrination process. This would explain the comments of seeing a squad mate who was fighting on Earth with you appear getting out of the ship in another planet.
In ME2 it was stated several times the Reapers wanted Shepard alive.
In Arrival even if Shepard gets last person standing the Reaper knocks him out. Shepard is in a lab and the crazy doctor keeps him alive but drugged. The Reapers want him there when they come in. Everyone in that base has been indoctrinated.
If Shepard is not fighting indoctrination then BW has never explained why Reapers wanted Shepard alive. They also haven’t explained why Shepard can resist while others can’t.
It is possible that TIM was trying to indoctrinate Shepard, and Shepard fought it. The story has too many holes or it’s like six sense and Shepard is fighting the indoctrination process. This would explain the comments of seeing a squad mate who was fighting on Earth with you appear getting out of the ship in another planet.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:49
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Zyrious wrote...
Why doesnt shepard wake up in all 3 endings? Just indoctrinated in two of them? Why would any author break the narrative flow by releasing the Stargazer scene? If indoc is true, then the reapers havent been defeated yet, so why would the devs include the stargazer scene which talks of a post-reaper world, this ruins the narrative flow and breaks the emotional connection with the threat of the reapers, IF indoc was true. Otherwise it's just AS INTENDED - an epilogue. Why isnt indoc in the script? Why would bioware only have 1 ending be the "true" ending? Why would the game end if it's all just a dream sequence? Do you REALLY think bioware would go that far with a dream sequence when the same resources could be spent on a real ending? Do you?
Stargazer, dev tweets saying shepard living is just a Easter Egg and throwback to 80s movies, Stargazer scene, all say Indoc is just fanfiction.
I don't think Shepard was supposed to live. Is destroy the true ending BW wanted? If true, then Shepard passes the test and indoctrination failed. This is possible or not and the story has many holes.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:51
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ghostbusters101 wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
Why doesnt shepard wake up in all 3 endings? Just indoctrinated in two of them? Why would any author break the narrative flow by releasing the Stargazer scene? If indoc is true, then the reapers havent been defeated yet, so why would the devs include the stargazer scene which talks of a post-reaper world, this ruins the narrative flow and breaks the emotional connection with the threat of the reapers, IF indoc was true. Otherwise it's just AS INTENDED - an epilogue. Why isnt indoc in the script? Why would bioware only have 1 ending be the "true" ending? Why would the game end if it's all just a dream sequence? Do you REALLY think bioware would go that far with a dream sequence when the same resources could be spent on a real ending? Do you?
Stargazer, dev tweets saying shepard living is just a Easter Egg and throwback to 80s movies, Stargazer scene, all say Indoc is just fanfiction.
I don't think Shepard was supposed to live. Is destroy the true ending BW wanted? If true, then Shepard passes the test and indoctrination failed. This is possible or not and the story has many holes.
If indoctrination is suppose to kill him, then why not fire another laser and kill him, or have a marauder walk over and shoot him in the head. And if not, again, why does he not wake up in all 3?
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 06:04
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IanPolaris wrote...
About the Prothean VI on Thessia, it doesn't disprove the indoc hypothesis at all. We KNOW (from Javik) that his own mission was betrayed by indoctrinated Protheans, and we later learn that the Prothean super-weapon was sabotaged by Protheans who wanted to control rather than destroy (sounds like Cerberus anyone?) and they turned out to be indoctrinated (gee isn't that familiar)?
If the Prothean VIs were so good at detecting indoctrination, then none of these things could have happened. I think it's logical to think that the Prothean VIs can detect indoctrination but ONLY after a certain point where it actually influences one's actual loyalties and 'biochemical cues' and Shepard who has perhaps the greatest resistance to indoctrination of all organics perhaps in history, simply hadn't reached a point where the Prothean VI could sense it.
In short, it's reasonble to think that the Reapers were 'working' on Shepard the entire game, and it comes to a head in a do or die moment when Shep is most vulnerable. I am not presenting it as a fact, but the indoc theory DOES fit the facts presented in the game, and alternate theories simply don't and thus I am inclined to give it credence.
-Polaris
Even though I have great respect for your posts, it's really stretching it now - indeed, neither did Vigil nor Prothean VI sense Shepard as indoctrinated person and Shepard's dream sequnces really look and sound as PTSD, 'cause apart from the child, Shepard hears every person that mattered and died - like Eve's voice won't appear in my paragon Shepard's run but she's there, loud and clear in my renegon Shepard run. All those 'facts' and what was seen and heard can be twisted to serve the purpose to proove that Shepard was indoctrinated, but after seeing Stargazer sequence, I'm pretty sure BW wasn't thinking about it - but hey, these forums gave them idea alright, so it might even happen now.
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I think Shepard is in a coma. I believe that she never woke up after Eden Prime, and all of Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 after she 'woke' in the medbay is just an elaborate nightmare vision caused by her exposure to the Prothean beacon.
Now disprove my theory.
BioWare would be the biggest idiots in the world if they did that
no... don't even put that thought in my head plase 
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Zyrious wrote...
ghostbusters101 wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
Why doesnt shepard wake up in all 3 endings? Just indoctrinated in two of them? Why would any author break the narrative flow by releasing the Stargazer scene? If indoc is true, then the reapers havent been defeated yet, so why would the devs include the stargazer scene which talks of a post-reaper world, this ruins the narrative flow and breaks the emotional connection with the threat of the reapers, IF indoc was true. Otherwise it's just AS INTENDED - an epilogue. Why isnt indoc in the script? Why would bioware only have 1 ending be the "true" ending? Why would the game end if it's all just a dream sequence? Do you REALLY think bioware would go that far with a dream sequence when the same resources could be spent on a real ending? Do you?
Stargazer, dev tweets saying shepard living is just a Easter Egg and throwback to 80s movies, Stargazer scene, all say Indoc is just fanfiction.
I don't think Shepard was supposed to live. Is destroy the true ending BW wanted? If true, then Shepard passes the test and indoctrination failed. This is possible or not and the story has many holes.
If indoctrination is suppose to kill him, then why not fire another laser and kill him, or have a marauder walk over and shoot him in the head. And if not, again, why does he not wake up in all 3?
I'm not saying indoctrination is suppose to kill him. If Shepard is fighting indoctrination , Shepard destroying the mass relay ends the cycle. Shepard dies because of the EMS explosion. It is just a theory that may explain some of the holes.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 06:33
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Barhador wrote...
All you indoctrination theorists need to learn to start your argumentation from a piece of evidence, not lack of it. Take for instance the bonus "waking up in London scene" and build your argumentation upon that. Then make them (try to) disprove that this is not connected to the theory you present.
There has been some good evidence discussed at points in the thread but it always just turns into arguing and opinions like if we were arguing religion lol.
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There has been some good evidence discussed at points in the thread but it always just turns into arguing and opinions like if we were arguing religion lol.
Sorry, but no. We've presented points that were very well elaborated and they've been discarded as either being "nonsense", "idiots", or in denial.
As I said several pages ago, it's a fight you can't win.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 06:49
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Ok, I've done a bit of digging (mainly with the use of masseffect.wikia.com, which I'd like to add is an amazing resource), and I've come up with a couple of things here:
Firstly, when you look at this screenshot which depicts the scene at the end of ME2 when you see the reapers approaching the galaxy from darkspace what do you see?
Yep... notice that the reapers have rather varied physical attributes? That would actually support the argument that the god child made, that the reapers are actually created in part from the processed DNA of the species that they harvest, which is supported by the child's statement that each harvested civilisation is supported in reaper form. With each extinction cycle, new reapers are in effect produced from the harvested DNA of a civilisation.
And secondly, when you tie that in with the evidence from the collector base itself, that Human DNA was being synthesised and combined with reaper technology to form a Human reaper, it actually shows that the stated purpose of the reapers, and the ending to ME3 might have been something Bioware had framed since they made Mass Effect 2
And furthermore when you look at the following article:
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper
It describes the process of indoctrination in far more detail than the codex entries and in particular this bit interested me
And when you think about it, that explains a lot. It explains how the Cerberus scientists on the derelict reaper became indoctrinated, it explains how TIM became indoctrinated, and it explains how Saren and eventually Matriarch Benezia became indoctrinated (for those unaware, Saren's contact with Sovereign came before Mass Effect, he in fact sought Sovereign out after stealing the work of another scientist that came before him).
And when you think about it logically, although Shepard fights many reaper forces, he never really comes into reaper technology long enough for the process of indoctrination to gain any real foothold over him. And these are some more reasons that I find the indoctrination theory implausible, and also why I believe Bioware had an ending like this mapped out a while ago.
Firstly, when you look at this screenshot which depicts the scene at the end of ME2 when you see the reapers approaching the galaxy from darkspace what do you see?
Yep... notice that the reapers have rather varied physical attributes? That would actually support the argument that the god child made, that the reapers are actually created in part from the processed DNA of the species that they harvest, which is supported by the child's statement that each harvested civilisation is supported in reaper form. With each extinction cycle, new reapers are in effect produced from the harvested DNA of a civilisation.
And secondly, when you tie that in with the evidence from the collector base itself, that Human DNA was being synthesised and combined with reaper technology to form a Human reaper, it actually shows that the stated purpose of the reapers, and the ending to ME3 might have been something Bioware had framed since they made Mass Effect 2
And furthermore when you look at the following article:
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper
It describes the process of indoctrination in far more detail than the codex entries and in particular this bit interested me
Put simply, any organic being who is in close proximity to a Reaper or certain Reaper artifacts for too long comes to believe the Reapers are correct in their goals, and will do anything to serve them. Gradually, the mind is eroded until the individual becomes a mindless slave no longer capable of independent thought.
And when you think about it, that explains a lot. It explains how the Cerberus scientists on the derelict reaper became indoctrinated, it explains how TIM became indoctrinated, and it explains how Saren and eventually Matriarch Benezia became indoctrinated (for those unaware, Saren's contact with Sovereign came before Mass Effect, he in fact sought Sovereign out after stealing the work of another scientist that came before him).
And when you think about it logically, although Shepard fights many reaper forces, he never really comes into reaper technology long enough for the process of indoctrination to gain any real foothold over him. And these are some more reasons that I find the indoctrination theory implausible, and also why I believe Bioware had an ending like this mapped out a while ago.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 07:13
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No-one has given me a satisfactory explanation as to why the destruction of the mass relays was a part of the vision in the first place. It's not like it was needed to be to trick Shepard, because the mass relays are destroyed in every ending. So why was it a part of the vision? What purpose did it serve?
Also another question I have is, why is it that destruction is the only option in some cases, and why does EMS level determine whether or not Earth is disintegrated or not?
I think the theory has a lot of good parts about it, but before everyone starts passing it off as fact, it should be able to explain everything that happened. Not a lot, but all of it.
Also another question I have is, why is it that destruction is the only option in some cases, and why does EMS level determine whether or not Earth is disintegrated or not?
I think the theory has a lot of good parts about it, but before everyone starts passing it off as fact, it should be able to explain everything that happened. Not a lot, but all of it.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 07:25
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I love your work. In Arrival Shepard was captured and drugged. He could have been implanted with self-replicating nanides Reaper described in the Mass Effect book Retribution. The process could be slow in Shepard’s case just like Saren and TIM.
It is also possible Grandpa is just talking to his grandson about a legend. “Legend as in old story: a story that has been passed down for generations, especially one that is presented as history but is unlikely to be true”
It is also possible Grandpa is just talking to his grandson about a legend. “Legend as in old story: a story that has been passed down for generations, especially one that is presented as history but is unlikely to be true”
