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[saracen16]

There is no way in hell that all plots and sub-plots can be related to in the last 10 minutes of the game. It's unrealistic. You've seen the end of every sub-plot in Mass Effect 3, which is not a movie but a final season of a series that has captivated all of our hearts.

Have a slightly longer memory than 10 ****ing minutes. ME3 IS the ending. All the decisions you made in the krogan genophage sublot, from saving Wrex on Virmire or killing him right down to saving or deleting Maelon's cure and finally whether you give the finger to Dalatrass Linron and  Every single decision you made in the previous two games has been realized on its own. Even the state of the galaxy at the end is in question. You're not doing make-believe. You're wondering at what YOUR ending is. Don't stop thinking and take the ending at face-value. Look back at the lore and question whether, FOR EXAMPLE...

- If Shepard is indoctrinated...

- If the galaxy was destroyed or not (the mass relays didn't explode like they did in arrival)

- What the future of the races is (not every single living thing in the galaxy went to Earth)

It's clear that BioWare did not intend for the ending of the game to be singular and uninspiring. Hate the endings all you want but do NOT think for one second that your actions didn't matter (they DID), that the ending should be taken at face value, and that you are the only ones with the right answers. I don't have the right answers, either, nor do I think they're wrong. They're my opinions about the game as a personal experience.

I'm not shoving anything down your throats. I'm asking you to consider that the game's ending was not in the last 10 minutes of it.

[ket_shee]

I did consider the game's ending was not in the last 10 minutes. This doesn't change the fact that the last 10-15 minutes of the game still invalidates the rest of the 'ending.'

[SilencedScream]

So they didn't complete Shepard's story with the conclusion of Mass Effect 3 by leaving open-ended questions as to what happens, nor provide us closure, nor elaborate on the consequences of the actions that we took at the end?

Okay, then I'll just shift why I'm mad and I'll be angry about broken promises instead.

Modifié par SilencedScream, 15 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[SandTrout]

If a plot point or story development is so unnatural to the majority of the audience that it needs to be explicitly explained outside of the story, then it still sucks.

Modifié par SandTrout, 15 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[jupppez]

Yeah absolutely i kinda like how they left some questions open so everyone can think in their mind what happened afterwards, not like in lost where they explained everything.

[Crabhands]

So yeah, I returned Rannoch to the Quarians and united them with the Geth, then trapped them in the Sol System.
I discovered a damning secret about the Asari culture that could change everything for them and then left a ravaged Thessia cut off from the rest of the galaxy.
I cured the Genophage, potentially securing a new Golden Age for the Krogan which could completely turn their culture around, then isolated the one person with the quad to make it happen from Tuchanka.

Yup, that sure makes me feel like my choices mattered.

[Nefelius]

saracen16 wrote...

There is no way in hell that all plots and sub-plots can be related to in the last 10 minutes of the game. It's unrealistic. You've seen the end of every sub-plot in Mass Effect 3, which is not a movie but a final season of a series that has captivated all of our hearts.

Have a slightly longer memory than 10 ****ing minutes. ME3 IS the ending. All the decisions you made in the krogan genophage sublot, from saving Wrex on Virmire or killing him right down to saving or deleting Maelon's cure and finally whether you give the finger to Dalatrass Linron and  Every single decision you made in the previous two games has been realized on its own. Even the state of the galaxy at the end is in question. You're not doing make-believe. You're wondering at what YOUR ending is. Don't stop thinking and take the ending at face-value. Look back at the lore and question whether, FOR EXAMPLE...

- If Shepard is indoctrinated...

- If the galaxy was destroyed or not (the mass relays didn't explode like they did in arrival)

- What the future of the races is (not every single living thing in the galaxy went to Earth)

It's clear that BioWare did not intend for the ending of the game to be singular and uninspiring. Hate the endings all you want but do NOT think for one second that your actions didn't matter (they DID), that the ending should be taken at face value, and that you are the only ones with the right answers. I don't have the right answers, either, nor do I think they're wrong. They're my opinions about the game as a personal experience.

I'm not shoving anything down your throats. I'm asking you to consider that the game's ending was not in the last 10 minutes of it.

The last 5 minutes invalidate all of my choices and actions, so they do not matter.
Either the galaxy is wiped out or everone are stranded on Earth doomed to die.

Modifié par Nefelius, 15 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Adsinjapan]

I entirely understand what you're saying and I think you're right.
You took what you felt was right from the finale and so did I.
I was happy with the resolution to the genophage and the civil war between the Geth and Quarians.
They were incredible moments, but to me the way I played it, the real ending to the Mass Effect saga was the End of the Reapers. What the Genophage and the Geth/Quarian civil war was to me, were Subplots, separate from the main core of the game.

When you finally confront TIM, lose Anderson then are forced to make on of the 3 choices from Starchild, then to me that's where story should have closed off with something spectacular.
THAT was the ending for me. Not the closure of side stories.

[Icinix]

I always thought the ending was that moment before the credits...


..been wrong before though.

[Ja5ck]

SandTrout wrote...

If a plot point or story development is so unnatural to the majority of the audience that it needs to be explicitly explained outside of the story, then it still sucks.

This

[Rocktel]

I'd agree with you if the ending decisions of the game didn't seem to destroy the resolutions to the other problems. And even if they don't we never find out.

Modifié par Rocktel, 15 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[shurryy]

Wrong. The last 5 minutes IS the ending. The End of the Mass Effect Franchise that we used to love, but now has turned our backs on with good ****ing reason. 

Modifié par shurryy, 15 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[xxZealouSocitYxx]

Yes, but the last 10 minutes was the ENDING OF THIS GAME. And at such a pivotal moment where it is, literally, Shepards moment in winning the war or losing horribly. All the other "endings" were perfect. But why couldn't they make the most important "ending" amazing? The actual ending to Shepards story.

Modifié par xxZealouSocitYxx, 15 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

They're probably leaving those events unanswered/vague so they have more flexibility whenever they decide to make the next game that takes place in the Mass Effect universe.

Still, not exactly the best portrayal...

[Meltemph]

I'm guessing you just got done reading Mikes review?

[neubourn]

saracen16 wrote...

There is no way in hell that all plots and sub-plots can be related to in the last 10 minutes of the game. It's unrealistic. You've seen the end of every sub-plot in Mass Effect 3, which is not a movie but a final season of a series that has captivated all of our hearts.

Have a slightly longer memory than 10 ****ing minutes. ME3 IS the ending. All the decisions you made in the krogan genophage sublot, from saving Wrex on Virmire or killing him right down to saving or deleting Maelon's cure and finally whether you give the finger to Dalatrass Linron and  Every single decision you made in the previous two games has been realized on its own. Even the state of the galaxy at the end is in question. You're not doing make-believe. You're wondering at what YOUR ending is. Don't stop thinking and take the ending at face-value. Look back at the lore and question whether, FOR EXAMPLE...

- If Shepard is indoctrinated...

- If the galaxy was destroyed or not (the mass relays didn't explode like they did in arrival)

- What the future of the races is (not every single living thing in the galaxy went to Earth)

It's clear that BioWare did not intend for the ending of the game to be singular and uninspiring. Hate the endings all you want but do NOT think for one second that your actions didn't matter (they DID), that the ending should be taken at face value, and that you are the only ones with the right answers. I don't have the right answers, either, nor do I think they're wrong. They're my opinions about the game as a personal experience.

I'm not shoving anything down your throats. I'm asking you to consider that the game's ending was not in the last 10 minutes of it.

I agree OP, while playing it, i felt like the entire game was one big ending for the series, Shepard's swan song, where s/he can find out what happens to our friends and squad, as well as the impact our decisions have made. 

But, with that being said, i can also understand the frustration with the ACTUAL ending, i.e. how it just comes out of nowhere and introduces new plot elements without fully explaining them (i.e. starchild is a HUGE one that has be confused)

[Spectre-00N7]

Nefelius wrote...
The last 5 minutes invalidate all of my choices and actions, so they do not matter.
Either the galaxy is wiped out or everone are stranded on Earth doomed to die.

This is what ruined the game for me

[SLPr0]

So thread #2 where you're trying to convince everyone that you're right and everyone else is wrong? Sure why not. Good luck with that.

[Daverid]

Oh I get it ...

So I United Quarians and the Geth ... I cured the Genophage ... I finally stopped Cerberus...

I finally ended all those plotlines I so desperately wanted to see happen after ME1 and 2..

Then the Mass Relays Explode. SWEET. Either everyone just died from the Explosion .. Or if they didn't explode every Races forces that was stuck in the Sol System will Die as Earth could barely support their own Population with the state the planet is in... And the Races stuck on their Planet could take 10's or possibly 100's of thousands of Years to develop Mass Relays or something similar.

Yep tying up all those Plotlines really worked out well for the Galaxy.

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[Umbrellamage]

xxZealouSocitYxx wrote...

Yes, but the last 10 minutes was the ENDING OF THIS GAME. And at such a pivotal moment where it is, literally, Shepards moment in winning the war or losing horribly. All the other "endings" where perfect. But why couldn't they make the most important "ending" amazing? The actual ending to Shepards story.

Have to agree.  The other endings were resolved in truly heartfelt ways that filled me with hope or sadness.  Shepard's ending was forced and poorly written.  Good writing should be able to evoke emotion entirely without sound.  In every other instance I felt something genuine even if I muted the volume.  In the ultimate end I felt nothing other than absolute confusion.  The only thing that evoked emotion was the music because it was a well composed piece.

Modifié par Umbrellamage, 15 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[saracen16]

shurryy wrote...

Wrong. The last 5 minutes IS the ending. The End of the Mass Effect Franchise that we used to love, but now has turned our backs on with good ****ing reason. 

Do you really believe that? This is not meant to be a traditional ending. Why don't you convince me that the last 5 minutes was the ending instead of posting a half-assed comment?

[saracen16]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

jupppez wrote...

Yeah absolutely i kinda like how they left some questions open so everyone can think in their mind what happened afterwards, not like in lost where they explained everything.

So you're okay with endings of the trilogy left up to the interpretation of the person experiencing it?

That's what makes it personal.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I want to KNOW what happens. I'm don't want to make up some ridiculous canon in my head. "Intepretation" is ME3 ending slang for "I don't know what the hell I'm doing, let's leave it up the fans."

Why do you think it's ridiculous? You have all the resources to make inferences and hypotheses.

[RavenEyry]

I agree the whole game was the ending and thought that all the way through, which is why I was horrified the end of the end invalidates all the other endings (assuming face value and not mind screw)

I can just picture the people who like the ending discussing it.
"I got the green flash ending where the quarians were all killed by the geth over Rannoch!"
"Well I got the green flash ending were the quarians were all killed by the Charon relay exploding for no good reason!"
"Wow, so different!"

[Adsinjapan]

saracen16 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Wrong. The last 5 minutes IS the ending. The End of the Mass Effect Franchise that we used to love, but now has turned our backs on with good ****ing reason. 

Do you really believe that? This is not meant to be a traditional ending. Why don't you convince me that the last 5 minutes was the ending instead of posting a half-assed comment?

Don't start taking things personally. We've replied to your post the best we can, don't start bickering because one person didn't respond to your liking.

You didn't want to shove anything down our throats? Fair enough. Don't try and sway people either.