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[Malakar1]

Mean person. I could never shoot someone from my team. (Well I remember shooting half my team in KOTOR... hmmm)

I almost cried when Tali killed herself. Here I thought only a few Quarians would die if I let the geth do their upgrade thing. Then I heard about the whole Quarian fleet being destroyed. Never felt so bad in a game before. Almost wanted to reload but didn't. Had to live with my choice on my 1st playthrough. I guess I know how OP feels.

[lonewolfassault]

Yeah, Wrex is none the wiser right now. Spoiler - He finds out. And he gets pissed. Prepare to feel worse.

[mattylee10]

Did the same thing last night and I spent the whole scene watching Mordin drag himself towards the control panel while bleeding out all over the floor thinking 'i'm sooooo sorry!' Really well done scene.

[sorentoft]

You're a bad raptor. Bad bad raptor.

[Thornquist]

Yeah, I dont think I could force myself to kill Mordin, I watched that scene on youtube, and It made me physically ill. I could accept him doing a heroic sacrifice, but to let him die in vain on top of that tower, knowing his team mate shot him...jeez.

[MrWahloh]

I was going for a Renegade playthrough. I kept my mouth shut about the sabotage.

I was at the end and told Mordin he wasn't going up. Shepard aimed his gun at Mordin, as Mordin is walking to the elevator.

I had like 10 seconds to start the Renegade Action. I couldn't, I wanted to but couldn't!

Cried for 5 days straight after I saw him die singing my favorite song.

[Bigdoser]

Yeah if you watch the scene where shepard shoots mordin shepard throws the gun away in disgust.

[ImperatorMortis]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Honestly, it's parts like this that make me wonder why the endings turned out so guddamn bad. They clearly showed that they are great writers by making you actually regret a decision. I personally, could never shoot him. Even if I was playing a Renegade, I could never shoot him.

Besides, haven't you Renegades ever watched Star Trek? You can get alot more done and win alot more allies through diplomacy and jumping through hoops then you can by just pulling a trigger.

Well I'm actually Paragade not renegade. My renegade bar is a bit smaller than my paragon.


Plus I was diplomatic(with the Salarians), and the way I see it. I got the support of the Turians, Krogan, AND the Salarians, and all it took was the death of a stubborn old man(Though it was an old man whom I liked very much..).

I'd say the end has more than justified the means. 

lonewolfassault wrote...

Yeah, Wrex is none the wiser right now. Spoiler - He finds out. And he gets pissed. Prepare to feel worse.

 

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 15 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[xxZealouSocitYxx]

Bigdoser wrote...

Yeah if you watch the scene where shepard shoots mordin shepard throws the gun away in disgust.

Guilt, most likely. Since that gun is the gun Mordin gave to Shepard as a sign of goodwill in ME2. Makes it so much sadder. 

[Harbinger of Hope]

Malakar1 wrote...

Mean person. I could never shoot someone from my team. (Well I remember shooting half my team in KOTOR... hmmm)

I did that too. I was playing through the whole game being the good guy that I am....

Until the reveal. I actually felt betrayed. Betrayed by the council. But what hurt most, was I felt betrayed by Bastila. After that, I went to the Dark Side. At the end....seizing my rightful place. Taking revenge against the Jedi's with my turned Bastila at my side....

I never felt more satisfied in all of my gaming days.

[Wintermancer]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

 So yeah.. I have never trusted the Krogan, and I did/do support the genophage, but I needed to use the Krogan, plus I wanted Salarian aid as well, so yeah, I decided that I'll trick the Krogan so they'd help out the Turians. Everything was going according to plan Wrex, and "Eve" were non the wiser, and I had managed to gain Wrex's trust back since he found out I destroyed Malons(Maelon?) data. I knew I had to deal with Mordin eventually, the female Salarian told me as much, I just didn't think it would come to this.

Mordin.. Since ME2 he supported the Genophage. I thought the most I would have to do was a Charm/Intimidate test, I didn't think he would force me to go to such lengths. I shot him dead, with a Carnifex(Although I actually had a Scorpion equipped), and I didn't even hesitate. The second Shepard pulled out his gun, and had my finger poised over the left mouse button, and the instant I got the renegade option I clicked it, I didn't even hesistate. 

I feel I did the right thing, and Mordin didn't leave me with any other viable option, but I feel bad.. I always liked Mordin since ME2, and it saddens me that things turned out this way, why the hell did Mordin pick now to grow a damn conscience? 

So yeah.. I literally just did this a few moments ago, and felt I needed to say something about it. Though Shepards answer when the Admiral asked how I got Salarian aid did make me smirk a bit. 

Also I noticed I'm a lot more renegade in this game than in the past two. 

The way this moral dilemma actually impacted you emotionally and engaged you to the point that you had to come on here to tell us about it is a precise example of why this game is 98% brilliance.

[Ieldra]

Yep, I sabotaged the cure, too, and had to kill Mordin for it. A sad moment, I felt like sh*t. Bioware really brings this scene home to you.

And then....being hailed as a hero while actually being the worst kind of betrayer....I felt even more like sh*t. But it had to be done. Wrex was dead from ME1 and Wreav didn't exactly inspire confidence in krogan behaviour, but I needed the krogan clans for the war.

That was a fine Renegade moment, perhaps the best in the game. You do what needs to be done, and if you have nightmares for it, that's the price you pay.

[Bigdoser]

Eh my renegade shepard hated the dalatrass. Plus my ren shep puts more trust in allies who have fought in battle with her. There was some bioware developers in a twitch TV chat and they said the writers of the genophage arc wanted it to be satisfying. Well thats pretty much the only arc where your choices from all 3 games can affect the outcome.

Like did you keep wrex alive in me1? Did you keep maelon data in me2? Did you save the salarian counciler in me1?(Cause you get support from salarians after thane saves him) stuff like that so i clap to the people who wrote the arc.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 15 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[Hudathan]

No one can judge because it's your game. Some are idealists who try to fight for a happy future for the entire galaxy as justification for the war while others are more cold and calculating when it comes to rationalizing the cost of war. The series is great it can teach us a lot about ourselves in ways we would mostly never encounter in a normal peaceful life.

[Harbinger of Hope]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I'd say the end has more than justified the means.

But at what cost?!? The second you start throwing your morals away, the second you lose sight of who you are for some proverbially "greater good"...

Is the second the enemy has already won.

[Malakar1]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Malakar1 wrote...

Mean person. I could never shoot someone from my team. (Well I remember shooting half my team in KOTOR... hmmm)

I did that too. I was playing through the whole game being the good guy that I am....

Until the reveal. I actually felt betrayed. Betrayed by the council. But what hurt most, was I felt betrayed by Bastila. After that, I went to the Dark Side. At the end....seizing my rightful place. Taking revenge against the Jedi's with my turned Bastila at my side....

I never felt more satisfied in all of my gaming days.

Back in the day I use to always play the bad guy, some decision in that game really made me feel bad though. Nowadays I just can't seem to play the bad guy. I try too but I always end up wanting to make everyone happy and keep everyone alive. I must say though, the choice in KOTOR were really something we'll never get again. Each one of them was hard to make. I agree, in the end, taking my rightful place really felt good. 

[ImperatorMortis]

Bigdoser wrote...

Eh my renegade shepard hated the dalatrass. Plus my ren shep puts more trust in allies who have fought in battle with her.

I actually kind of like the Dalatrass. She ruthless, knows whats up, and is willing to get down, and dirty to get **** done. Part of the reason I like Aria so much. 

[BobbyDylan]

Marwood09 wrote...

In all seriousness though, the part where he yells "I MADE A MISTAKE" is easily the most heartbreaking part in the game.

This. I was all out to stop him, but Mordin's character made me let him do it. In the end I justified it yo myself by saying, I'd already released the Rachni, releasing the Krogan might be needed.


The second Rachni war.......

[ImperatorMortis]

 

Malakar1 wrote...

Mean person. I could never shoot someone from my team. (Well I remember shooting half my team in KOTOR... hmmm)

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I'd say the end has more than justified the means.

But at what cost?!? The second you start throwing your morals away, the second you lose sight of who you are for some proverbially "greater good"...

Is the second the enemy has already won.

Hey! I am a very moral, and kind person. Just look at my Paragon bar! I'm nice to people, especially my friends.
I have so much morality you don't even know.  I visted Kaiden all the time, and was always nice to him(except when he got in my face about cerberus, then I yelled at him, but thats different.). 

BobbyDylan wrote...

Marwood09 wrote...

In all seriousness though, the part where he yells "I MADE A MISTAKE" is easily the most heartbreaking part in the game.

This. I was all out to stop him, but Mordin's character made me let him do it. In the end I justified it yo myself by saying, I'd already released the Rachni, releasing the Krogan might be needed.


The second Rachni war.......

 

The difference is.. With the Rachni they were being controlled by Reapers, with the Krogan they were just being Krogan. I know Wrex may be sincere about him stopping his people from trying to get revenge, but Wrex isn't going to last forever, and **** will start up again. 

I ended things before it could start, and I got Krogan aid to boot. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 15 mars 2012 - 03:05 .

[J-Reyno]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Honestly, it's parts like this that make me wonder why the endings turned out so guddamn bad. They clearly showed that they are great writers by making you actually regret a decision. I personally, could never shoot him. Even if I was playing a Renegade, I could never shoot him.

Besides, haven't you Renegades ever watched Star Trek? You can get alot more done and win alot more allies through diplomacy and jumping through hoops then you can by just pulling a trigger.

Just because he shot Mordin doesn't mean he's 100% renegade, no questions asked.  I shot Mordin in spite of having the rep to persuade him, because I thought it made the story more interesting.  But I'm only about 75% renegade, I make paragon choices when necessary.  I saved the council, destroyed the collector base, etc.

Besides, shooting Mordin is an act of "careful diplomacy", to put it in Shep's words.  You shoot him to appease the dalatrass and the general Salarian opinion, granting you Salarian support.  What's more, in my games Wrex is dead and Wreav is leader.  Everything he says just reinforces the idea that Krogan can't be trusted to maintain peace... at least not under his leadership.  Might have been different if I could kill Wreav and place a more trustworthy leader in his place, even better if Eve had also lived... but considering the circumstances, I couldn't let the cure go through.

And if you're wondering why that means I had to shoot him, it's because I actually did use the renegade persuade at first and I felt like it really didn't do justice to Mordin's character.  It made him seem weak-minded that he could be persuaded so easily.  I hated that.  Having him die because for once his interests conflicted with Shepard's was a much better end for him, I thought.  I love his character and I refused to demean him by making him just like all the other peons that so willingly sway under Shepard's words.  No, Mordin sticks to his guns, and he is a lot like my Shepard in that way.  Unfortunately it led to his demise...but he fought to the end.  

It was a good end for him, and a great character development for my Shepard who feels terrible for having to do such a thing, but still feels it was necessary.   I like to think that Mordin's voice is one of those saying "Shepard" in his dreams.  Along with the others he has lost.  It adds to the sense that this war is getting to him.

[ImperatorMortis]

Reyno411 wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Honestly, it's parts like this that make me wonder why the endings turned out so guddamn bad. They clearly showed that they are great writers by making you actually regret a decision. I personally, could never shoot him. Even if I was playing a Renegade, I could never shoot him.

Besides, haven't you Renegades ever watched Star Trek? You can get alot more done and win alot more allies through diplomacy and jumping through hoops then you can by just pulling a trigger.

Just because he shot Mordin doesn't mean he's 100% renegade, no questions asked.  I shot Mordin in spite of having the rep to persuade him, because I thought it made the story more interesting.  But I'm only about 75% renegade, I make paragon choices when necessary.  I saved the council, destroyed the collector base, etc.

Besides, shooting Mordin is an act of "careful diplomacy", to put it in Shep's words.  You shoot him to appease the dalatrass and the general Salarian opinion, granting you Salarian support.  What's more, in my games Wrex is dead and Wreav is leader.  Everything he says just reinforces the idea that Krogan can't be trusted to maintain peace... at least not under his leadership.  Might have been different if I could kill Wreav and place a more trustworthy leader in his place, even better if Eve had also lived... but considering the circumstances, I couldn't let the cure go through.

And if you're wondering why that means I had to shoot him, it's because I actually did use the renegade persuade at first and I felt like it really didn't do justice to Mordin's character.  It made him seem weak-minded that he could be persuaded so easily.  I hated that.  Having him die because for once his interests conflicted with Shepard's was a much better end for him, I thought.  I love his character and I refused to demean him by making him just like all the other peons that so willingly sway under Shepard's words.  No, Mordin sticks to his guns, and he is a lot like my Shepard in that way.  Unfortunately it led to his demise...but he fought to the end.  

It was a good end for him, and a great character development for my Shepard who feels terrible for having to do such a thing, but still feels it was necessary.   I like to think that Mordin's voice is one of those saying "Shepard" in his dreams.  Along with the others he has lost.  It adds to the sense that this war is getting to him.

Wait we can persuade him!? God damnit. I wish I had more renegade/paragon points.

[Bigdoser]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Eh my renegade shepard hated the dalatrass. Plus my ren shep puts more trust in allies who have fought in battle with her.

I actually kind of like the Dalatrass. She ruthless, knows whats up, and is willing to get down, and dirty to get **** done. Part of the reason I like Aria so much. 

As I said before what I like about the new reputation system you can finally play your shepard how you want to play them as I said I have about 20-23% Paragon the rest of the bar was renegade by end game. For example there is a charm option to convince mordin not to cure the genophage if you destroyed the cure in me2.

My renegade does not shy away from the hard decisions either like the talk with garrus if you need to sacrifice 10 million people over there so that the other 30 million can live my shep would do it.

Cause in this war you can't save everyone and when garrus said if at least 1 person is standing after the war is over then thats a win to me.

[ImperatorMortis]

wiggles89 wrote...

The man wanted to make it so a race of ultraviolent man lizards breed like cockroaches. He deserves no mercy or pity.

THANK YOU!!!! Except for the no pity part, I still pity him. I pity him quite a bit.

Bigdoser wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Eh my renegade shepard hated the dalatrass. Plus my ren shep puts more trust in allies who have fought in battle with her.

I actually kind of like the Dalatrass. She ruthless, knows whats up, and is willing to get down, and dirty to get **** done. Part of the reason I like Aria so much. 

As I said before what I like about the new reputation system you can finally play your shepard how you want to play them as I said I have about 20-23% Paragon the rest of the bar was renegade by end game. For example there is a charm option to convince mordin not to cure the genophage if you destroyed the cure in me2. 

My renegade does not shy away from the hard decisions either like the talk with garrus if you need to sacrifice 10 million people over there so that the other 30 million can live my shep would do it. 

Cause in this war you can't save everyone and when garrus said if at least 1 person is standing after the war is over then thats a win to me. 

 

I feel the same way, about the save 10 million so that 30 million can live, and about the new rep system. I love this new system I don't feel like I'm being shoehorned into a specific role anymore. 

[Eudaemonium]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Wait we can persuade him!? God damnit. I wish I had more renegade/paragon points.

I believe you only get the option to persuade him if Wreav is clan leader. I think Eve might have to die too. Otherwise you have to shoot him. Presumably with Wreav in change Mordin is able to see that the Krogan won't really change, whereas with Wrex and/or Eve he can see that they might have a future and thus refuses to give in.