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[jnk]

 While I do have a number of issues with the game overall, I've noticed that everyone seems to be saying that every single world is now isolated with the lack of mass relays.

When as far as I can tell, this is evidently not the case. The races in the galaxy still traditional FTL drives, which are able to go at least 10LY in a day and the majority of respective homeworlds also have a large number of dead reapers (or synthesised or controlled whatever you fancy) who have a traditional FTL drive that can go as much as 30LY in a day.

This FTL is fast enough to allow the reapers to enter the galaxy from far beyond it in under four years. 

TO top it off, it is also strongly implied that the Asari have the technology to build new mass relays by themselves - according to the conversations on Illum with Liara's father.

While the wide spanning galactic civilisation would probably end, space faring civilisation are still perfectly good to go.

[Jake71887]

jnk wrote...

 While I do have a number of issues with the game overall, I've noticed that everyone seems to be saying that every single world is now isolated with the lack of mass relays.

When as far as I can tell, this is evidently not the case. The races in the galaxy still traditional FTL drives, which are able to go at least 10LY in a day and the majority of respective homeworlds also have a large number of dead reapers (or synthesised or controlled whatever you fancy) who have a traditional FTL drive that can go as much as 30LY in a day.

This FTL is fast enough to allow the reapers to enter the galaxy from far beyond it in under four years. 

TO top it off, it is also strongly implied that the Asari have the technology to build new mass relays by themselves - according to the conversations on Illum with Liara's father.

While the wide spanning galactic civilisation would probably end, space faring civilisation are still perfectly good to go.

It would still require a very long period of time, and an insane amount of resources to travel the galaxy, worlds aren't necessarily alone since there's more than one viable system in more clusters... But travelling from say Asari to krogan space would be very costly and time consuming. 

Not to mention that Asari do NOT have that technology, Aethyta said she got her ass laughed off when she suggested they look into making their own. 

[Brahlis]

Go study up on just how many light years separate different systems, please.

[hawat333]

Nobody said they can't solve the situation somehow (and the Relays had to go, they were as much part of the Cycle as were the Repaers), but you don't really expect optimism here in the BSN, do you?

[Slayer299]

Well OP, since FTL doesn't allow you to travel across the galaxy without long periods of time I'd say that qualifies as the worlds being isolated until either A)Somehow new MR's are built over the galaxy or a new and faster drive method is discovered. Which by the ending after the credits, has not.

[Amish Love Machine]

Weren't there some mass relays that weren't operational? If that's the case, would those be turned on when the space magic beam got shot out I wonder. If not, there might be a few out there that can used, copied, etc.

[sorentoft]

Because if you think of the star systems as continents, then our spaceships in ME are essentially longboats. Great for exploring and local trade, but making trade routes between the star systems you will have a problem. Tomatoes do not last forever for example. Some goods are just not viable as export, but they are vital to sustain life. Every world that has people will need agriculture - or a planet in a local system. If not they will starve and die.

Another problem is what happened to the Drell homeworld. Overpopulation.

[SilencedScream]

The average person can walk from California to New York and then use a canoe (assuming you had enough food and water; even if it's all weightless) and ROW all the way to England and back to New York before you can get HALFWAY from one end of the galaxy to the other at 12 light years per day.

(For reference, to get from one end of the Milky Way to the other at 12ly/day, WITHOUT stopping for supplies, would take ~27 years)

[BrotherFluffy]

In addition to the problems mentioned above, when the Normandy is hit by the Space Magic beam, the beam, in all colors, severely damages the Normandy and forces it to crash. To me, this implies it the shockwaves at the very least severely damage ships. Worst case scenario? That war fleet above Earth is now crashing down onto it.

[Mcjon01]

Basically, imagine what would happen to our world economy and civilizations if we were suddenly regressed to pre-industrial transportation technologies overnight. Life might go on, but it wouldn't be pretty.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

People don't understand how vast the scales of the galaxy become. Earth to next closest star system with a habitable planet could be 2.5-10 light years away. Asari space could be 2,000 light years away.

Traditional FTL might get you to the next star system in hours, but it's not getting you to Tuchanka in less than years, even if the ship could carry infinite fuel and infinite resources, which it can't.

[izmirtheastarach]

From the codex

If the ship is in a field of about 200 times lightspeed, it radiates visible light as x-rays and gamma rays, and the infrared heat from the hull is blue-shifted up into the visible spectrum or higher.

Does this not seem to indicate that FTL drives are capable of propelling ships at 200 times lightspeed?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[SandTrout]

The same reason people said that Asia and Europe were isolated from each other in the 1500's

[Duraiden]

They can't travel that fast, it says in the in-game codex that it takes decades and centuries to travel between the systems with FTL drives.

[Mandemon]

Not to mention, Krogan DMZ is closest to Earth. Others are far, far away. Omega is literally on the other side of the galaxy! And so is Quarian homeworld. It will take years to even reach Krogan DMZ, not to metion Quarian homeworld. And Rannoch and Tuchanka are the least damanged worlds(well, Tuschanka had little to lose from the begin...). Every other planet is just a pile of rubble.

[Salonae]

The nearest system to Earth is Centauri. It's 4.75 light years or so away. That's just within the "Local Cluster." The Milky Way is pretty damn huge.

[Crabhands]

Also, the bulk of just about every military force in the galaxy is stranded in Sol, each probably leaving their planets with only a token defence force. In times of crisis (which planets like Thessia or Palaven could considered to be in), it's usually the military who respond, providing law, evacuating civilians, and providing supplies to those in need. Even if the fleets one day return to their homeworlds, they'll probably barren, lawless lands that make Mad Max look cheerful.

[skaye]

More importantly - we know that instant communication between worlds is still possible, because quantum entanglement shouldn't just 'stop working'...

[Avissel]

I will cover this using the one system I can think of. The Horse Head Nebula. (If I mess up the math please say so, I'm not that great with it)

The HHN is estimated to be 1,500 LYs away from earth. So we do a 1 to 1. Going exactly Light speed (LS) for the entire trip it would take 1,500 years to get there.

Codex says you can cover 12 LYs in a days trip at FTL speeds, but never really states How much Faster than light you are going. So every day you cover 12 light years. So it would take 125 days to cover 1,500 light years.

Then you divide 125 by 30 and it   It should work out to being like 4 or so months to get to the HHN from Earth. That is assume you run at FTL the entire trip, which we know ships can't do because they have to stop to discharge the drive core and get more fuel.

Modifié par Avissel, 15 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[Kloborgg711]

The problem is I have to take many giant leaps of faith... in my mind. I shouldn't have to do that just to come a conclusion happy enough in which "no one sees each other again... but the survivors' children got home OK".

[izmirtheastarach]

Duraiden wrote...

They can't travel that fast, it says in the in-game codex that it takes decades and centuries to travel between the systems with FTL drives.

Did you miss the part where what I was quoting came directly from the codex?

[Jake71887]

skaye wrote...

More importantly - we know that instant communication between worlds is still possible, because quantum entanglement shouldn't just 'stop working'...

Except that it's not widespread... And creating it still requires you to travel from one point to the other. 

[lasertank]

With mass relays you can travel through the whole galaxy within seconds. Without them even with speed of light it takes 20000 years to travel from one end to another.

[Craven1138]

Someone actually calculated it in "optimistic" take and even with this low time estimates it would take 1000 years for Quarian to get to their homeworld. Only Krogan could have hope, but still Wrex would be back after few houndred years. So yeah they are pretty much isolated.

And don't forget fuel issue. Normandy fuel tank could be enough to travel between 2-3 nearby stars. That's nothing compared to distances between mass relays.

Modifié par Craven1138, 15 mars 2012 - 03:18 .

[SandTrout]

Avissel wrote...

Then you divide 125 by 12 and if I didn't screw this up (which is possible) It should work out to being like 10 or so months to get to the HHN from Earth. That is assume you run at FTL the entire trip, which we know ships can't do because they have to stop to discharge the drive core and get more fuel.

You screwed that up. You divide 125 by 30 to get months, so about 4 months.

Modifié par SandTrout, 15 mars 2012 - 03:17 .