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[sOUZUKEN]

What's weird is the Normandy has hibernation pods near the Battery. It would be logical to assume other ships have them as well.I'm not sure though, as one guy above just said FTL may no longer exist.

[kipac]

I think the worlds are isolated. Mass relays got destroyed, and if you listen to the stargazer and child's conversation after credit, the stargazer says to kid something like 'every star has people living in' but the way he tells the story gives you a feel that he also haven't seen other people outside of his planet, meaning they can't travel to other clusters or planets that are far away. And Shepard's journey is already a legend from a long time ago.

[SteveGarbage]

Enjou wrote...

However, in the ME universe you do have to stop. There are four reasons you need to stop:
1. Discharging your drive core. This needs to be done somewhat frequently.

This was my first thought. When you're traveling through that empty space between systems you'd fry your ship because the drive core would overload. It would allow travel between systems in a local cluster that you could make before electrical overload, but you wouldn't be able to safely cross vast empty spaces.

[suusuuu]

wicked_being wrote...
The godchild-abomination said something like "many of the technology you rely on will be destroyed"

no, it doesn't say that. only mass relays. and depending on the choice, sentient AI. 

[Saku39]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

People don't understand how vast the scales of the galaxy become. Earth to next closest star system with a habitable planet could be 2.5-10 light years away. Asari space could be 2,000 light years away.

Traditional FTL might get you to the next star system in hours, but it's not getting you to Tuchanka in less than years, even if the ship could carry infinite fuel and infinite resources, which it can't.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the closest star system to Earth is 4.4 LY away, not 2.5. Just saying.

[RavenEyry]

Everyone who suggests rebuilding the relays forgets that you still have to put it where you want it. If you built one on Earth and decided to station it near Palaven, you would have to tow it all the way there, which would take a very long time if it's even possible.

And what if the relays were creating the mass effect, if so without them guns, ftl and possibly biotics are impossible.

[suusuuu]

RavenEyry wrote...

Everyone who suggests rebuilding the relays forgets that you still have to put it where you want it. If you built one on Earth and decided to station it near Palaven, you would have to tow it all the way there, which would take a very long time if it's even possible.

And what if the relays were creating the mass effect, if so without them guns, ftl and possibly biotics are impossible.

I don't think Bioware thought enough about this. This is a blatant plothole because otherwise it strips the ME universe off of everything that makes it unique. And this would be a VERY bad move. 

Modifié par suusuuu, 15 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Harorrd]

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

It takes 7000 years to travel FTL from one side of the galaxy to the next using a FTL drive that has to be replaced every 5th year of non stop using

It takes light about 80,000 years for normal light to travel across the galaxy, and i assume FTL is aproximatly the speeds of warp 9 in star trek, even so it would take astronomical amounts of time, meening the crew that set of from earth to reach their home, would spend like 1000 years using non stop FTL. And the quarians would need to travel for almost 6000 years, non stop FTL

Modifié par Harorrd, 15 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[Direwolf1618]

They do have a non mass relay FTL system, the problem is that its not NEARLY faster enough. Ok great you can travel at 10 times the speed of light! Yay! Or how about 100 times! You want a cookie? Cause the nearest star to earth is like 4 light years away. We talk distant starts we are talking FAR longer periods of time... The diameter of the milky way is roughly 120,000 light years end to end, with a thickness of another thousand.

[Avissel]

sOUZUKEN wrote...

What's weird is the Normandy has hibernation pods near the Battery. It would be logical to assume other ships have them as well.I'm not sure though, as one guy above just said FTL may no longer exist.

They aren't "hibernation pods" like you are thinking.
In ME1 it's explained that these are "sleeper pods" used for crew rotation. Off Duty crew sleep in them while the on duty crew works.

Not really sure why they are still part of the Normandy after it's upgraded to have actaul beds.

[Baronesa]

wicked_being wrote...

You know I never really heard it in-game that FTL still exists after you blow up the mass relays. The godchild-abomination said something like "many of the technology you rely on will be destroyed" but he didn't really say "but don't worry FTL is still there."

(maybe he did say it but at the point I was already baffled with all the bs)

THIS

Specially if you destroy ANY technology related to the Reapers... then no FTL either...  you know.. the MASS EFFECT was part of the Reaper's technology...

[coolerdude]

Basically, remember how much fuel it took just to travel to another star in the same system? How much eezo do you think each ship has? Not enough for the journey back home, I'm sure

[NoUserNameHere]

Liara's father had ideas for a new Mass Relay.
Liara's father was on the Citadel.
The Citadel was conquered by Reapers, teleported to Earth, then destroyed or kidnapped by Catalyst!Shepard.


Quantum Entanglement Drives are neccessary to coordinate a galaxywide relay rebuilding network. QED's are hard to come by, and you have to have a network. One on the far side of the galaxy will not do for a straight shot through the galactic core to Earth. We're talking years just for a prototype.

Grimdark level 9,001.

[CavScout]

Duraiden wrote...

They can't travel that fast, it says in the in-game codex that it takes decades and centuries to travel between the systems with FTL drives.

Nonesense. You travel between systems all the time in all three games and it doesn't take that long.

[twystedspyder]

Yep. It's going to be rough for a very long time. But think about it. This new, forever changed setting, no longer held down by Mass Effects' current lore and characters will have so many deeper storytelling possibilities...

Eventually, the entire galaxy will find its way back to the stars on their own terms with new Light Speed technology, humanity and the other races will be largely homogenized with perhaps a few holding on to ancient cultural stereotypes. It's likely that some alien races may even adopt the cultural trappings of the ancient human societies that they were exposed to, developing Asian or Jamaican accents for example. Now, some human planets will be ruled by queens, others democracies and even some may be powerful empires. The descendants of those we now know will remember the time of these games only as legends that took place a long time ago, far far away. Perhaps most of the races will be united under one relatively peaceful republic until the followers of Cerberus' now ancient philosophy take over and subjugate all the non-humans. Our new protagonist will rise from humble beginnings, using his hidden talents to become one of the greatest heroes of a galactic resistance movement, rebelling against Cerberus' human-centric empire with the help of his long lost sister, two plucky geth, a reluctant space pirate and that pirate's Krogan copilot.

Completely original. Merchandising goldmine.

That is a joke.

[jnk]

RavenEyry wrote...

Everyone who suggests rebuilding the relays forgets that you still have to put it where you want it. If you built one on Earth and decided to station it near Palaven, you would have to tow it all the way there, which would take a very long time if it's even possible.

And what if the relays were creating the mass effect, if so without them guns, ftl and possibly biotics are impossible.

Nah - biotics and most of the technology is powered by Eezo. It's even pretty much said, that asari are so intrinsically biotic, because their system is pretty much saturated by it. Could have been from the diverted asteroid, could have been from something else entirely. But overall eezo is not dependant on relays as far as I can tell. Plus don't forget you have a circular path if eezo tech was dependant on them.

a) Eezo tech is dependant on relays
relays use eezo tech to function.

If a where true, then relays could never be constructed or used, because there would have to be relays for eezo tech.

Plus as mentioned before - there's enough reaper leftovers to harvest their technology and get massive nad vast improvements to both FTL as well fuel requirements (reapers don't need any)

[vigna]

Darknessfalls23 wrote...

You would have to go all the way around the arms because the core has so much radiation and a massive black hole to avoid.

Damn...yes this is true.

[die-yng]

I believe travel in a sector would still be possible, but that would still live the majortiy of the existing vessels around earth with decades to reach their home.

And in canon lots of planets would be dead either because of the reapers or the explosion of the portals.


Add to that the fact that still existing populations f.e. on Thessia still have a planet that is basically reduced to rubble like Tuchanka.

Might be hard to get a space fleet going this way.

[Harbinger of Hope]

twystedspyder wrote...

Yep. It's going to be rough for a very long time. But think about it. This new, forever changed setting, no longer held down by Mass Effects' current lore and characters will have so many deeper storytelling possibilities...

Eventually, the entire galaxy will find its way back to the stars on their own terms with new Light Speed technology, humanity and the other races will be largely homogenized with perhaps a few holding on to ancient cultural stereotypes. It's likely that some alien races may even adopt the cultural trappings of the ancient human societies that they were exposed to, developing Asian or Jamaican accents for example. Now, some human planets will be ruled by queens, others democracies and even some may be powerful empires. The descendants of those we now know will remember the time of these games only as legends that took place a long time ago, far far away. Perhaps most of the races will be united under one relatively peaceful republic until the followers of Cerberus' now ancient philosophy take over and subjugate all the non-humans. Our new protagonist will rise from humble beginnings, using his hidden talents to become one of the greatest heroes of a galactic resistance movement, rebelling against Cerberus' human-centric empire with the help of his long lost sister, two plucky geth, a reluctant space pirate and that pirate's Krogan copilot.

Completely original. Merchandising goldmine.

That is a joke.

And then it would be ruined by a prequel...

Oh wait.

[Avissel]

NoUserNameHere wrote...
Liara's father had ideas for a new Mass Relay.

Actaully she didn't have "ideas" for one. She had suggested they start trying to figure out HOW to make one.

According to the codex, the current civs don't even know what the relays are made OF, let alone HOW to make one.

[Ariq]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

From the codex

If the ship is in a field of about 200 times lightspeed, it radiates visible light as x-rays and gamma rays, and the infrared heat from the hull is blue-shifted up into the visible spectrum or higher.

Does this not seem to indicate that FTL drives are capable of propelling ships at 200 times lightspeed?

The codex indicates ships go significantly faster than this, thus the 12 ly a day citation. 200x the speed of light would be a little over a half a ly a day.

[Zhor2395]

nothing like incentive to develop more efficient drive technologies, huh?

[Koenig0309]

 Anyone else notice in the ending, how the energy that is supposed to originate from the sol relay is not coming out of the local cluster of the Orion arm?  It is originating from the outer band, possibly Rannoch in the Perseus Veil?

I noticed this immediately and thought why is it starting there?  That isn't where Sol is located.

Modifié par Koenig0309, 15 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[RavenEyry]

Koenig0309 wrote...

 Anyone else notice in the ending, how the energy that is supposed to originate from the sol relay is not coming out of the local cluster of the Orion arm?  It is originating from the outer band, possibly Rannoch in the Perseus Veil?

I noticed this immediately and thought why is it starting there?  That isn't where Sol is located.

Another thing for the list of oversights in the ending, or the list of things showing its a dream. I assume Shepard is terrible at galactic geography so would imagine it wrong.

[Pani Mauser]

The problem with FTL is that such kind of travel requires LOTS of fuel. Remember, how often you had to go back to the core system to refuel while scanning?

So, even if FTL travel is technically possible, without fuel the technical possibility means nothing. Earth just doesn't have enough of eezo to fuel alien ships for such long travels. 

Eezo is mined on many colonies, but without relays those colonies are unreachable. Dead end.

Modifié par Babe Mause, 15 mars 2012 - 04:37 .